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Post by stoic on May 23, 2019 22:03:58 GMT
Ahh sorry I though all questions were related with France 1806 23-turns conquest. Lets first answer all questions related with France 1806, and if there are no further questions, I will try to beat my own record with UK1812 and post all screens as I did with France. As for my ironies in my previous post, I did not want to be unrespectful with best75, far from it. Indeed were I in his shoes I would have done same. My ironies were aimed at nobody in particular, just self-enjoyment  Britain was before France, wasn't it. So why not to discuss Britain first. There are many reasons to do so - alphabetical reasons, chronological reasons, logical reasons. We can leave France alone for now. Then we can discuss Saxony. And after that it could well be that there is no need to discuss France at all (either your answers are satisfying and we accept your records, or they are not satisfying and there is no reason to discuss it any further). |
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Post by stoic on May 23, 2019 22:12:23 GMT
Glad to answer questions: Colours: When a unit is yet to move, its underlying circle is blinking. If you take a screen shot, is pale white. When the unit has spent its mobility, you get a normal white. Donations: if you check thru all the screens, you will realize that I had a very aggressive donations policy, as I usually donate my remaining resources to my allies. Basically in this conquest, you get a lot of money to donate as just from the beginning you are close to your population limit. Last 3 turns everything depended on me (and allies were already quite wealthy!). Murat on London: My willing strategy is: Sakurako and free French general proceed to take the westernmost Britain city (dont remember the name, but the one left to Manchester), while Murat sets foot on middle Britain. In the 6-7 previous turns, London has been battered via blast from Paris. If you research Military Tactics lv2, you will be able to reach it. As there are no foreign troops near London, AI usually let it unmanned. The winning movement is, just when you conquest that city near Manchester, you had one blast and one forced march on your sleeve. Use blast on London, and you cast a forced march on Murat, who rides for London full and bye. This time it did not work as desired, and I got a small delay there. When it works, is a pretty bloodless conquer. Spain: Spain is a 3 star country, with only morocco as a direct enemy. I donated quite a lot to spaniards so they have nothing better to do than to help a bit on UK and on Italian islands. Sometimes they do pretty poor, and sometimes pretty well. Tip: I mostly donate iron to Spain (and also gold as well), as I want them to produce ships. Contrarily, I dont donate iron to Turks because I dont want them to produce boats. ^^This^^ @conjoncio answers questions directly. Why is this still a debate? Give the man his title, no one else has gone through such scrutiny. Unfortunately these are not questions we are asking. My questions are on a previous page (and, to be honest, I asked those questions almost week ago). I still haven't found any answer. |
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Post by stoic on May 23, 2019 22:28:24 GMT
Ok. I'am a bit tired of it. My questions are there on a previous page. If I won't see clear answers I will remain sceptical about his further records. That's all. Nothing personal...
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Post by dsongop on May 24, 2019 1:23:50 GMT
Glad to answer questions: Colours: When a unit is yet to move, its underlying circle is blinking. If you take a screen shot, is pale white. When the unit has spent its mobility, you get a normal white. Donations: if you check thru all the screens, you will realize that I had a very aggressive donations policy, as I usually donate my remaining resources to my allies. Basically in this conquest, you get a lot of money to donate as just from the beginning you are close to your population limit. Last 3 turns everything depended on me (and allies were already quite wealthy!). Murat on London: My willing strategy is: Sakurako and free French general proceed to take the westernmost Britain city (dont remember the name, but the one left to Manchester), while Murat sets foot on middle Britain. In the 6-7 previous turns, London has been battered via blast from Paris. If you research Military Tactics lv2, you will be able to reach it. As there are no foreign troops near London, AI usually let it unmanned. The winning movement is, just when you conquest that city near Manchester, you had one blast and one forced march on your sleeve. Use blast on London, and you cast a forced march on Murat, who rides for London full and bye. This time it did not work as desired, and I got a small delay there. When it works, is a pretty bloodless conquer. Spain: Spain is a 3 star country, with only morocco as a direct enemy. I donated quite a lot to spaniards so they have nothing better to do than to help a bit on UK and on Italian islands. Sometimes they do pretty poor, and sometimes pretty well. Tip: I mostly donate iron to Spain (and also gold as well), as I want them to produce ships. Contrarily, I dont donate iron to Turks because I dont want them to produce boats. ^^This^^ @conjoncio answers questions directly. Why is this still a debate? Give the man his title, no one else has gone through such scrutiny. There obviously is a problem, silvercreek, cojoncio's records don't make much sense to us, and I don't think I need to elaborate anymore. stoic and andrei were very specific on their doubts. Unless there is a video, preferably a commentary on top of it, I'll refuse to believe his records are valid. Or maybe there is this slight possibility that cojoncio is a true genius, and he completely reinvented the way we play conquests. He hinted at only taking cities, and not defeating a lot of enemy units. I wonder how the AI's population limits work, because if the AI do have a population system like we do, it would take extremely precise movements and strategies to flank their cities, lower their income, and eventually take them out. However, the possibility of this is very slim, and I'd still encourage cojoncio to speak more on this, and the other questions that we raised rather than dodging it and claiming that you'll "beat more records". |
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Post by dsongop on May 24, 2019 1:25:46 GMT
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Post by silvercreek on May 24, 2019 1:33:37 GMT
dsongop, Did you go through this kind of scrutiny? Curious,to me that only previous record breakers are contesting so vehemently. Records are not forever they will be broken eventully😊 Let it be.
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Post by cojoncio on May 24, 2019 3:15:08 GMT
dsongop , Did you go through this kind of scrutiny? Curious,to me that only previous record breakers are contesting so vehemently. Records are not forever they will be broken eventully😊 Let it be. Indeed, silvercreek. But I understand them, if I were in their shoes, I would be as picky as these guys. They do what needs to be done to warrant fair records. And lets be fair as well, even though some of my posts are in the edge of "trolling", these guys still are very polite and they give good arguments and reasons.
As for the records, you are right, they will be broken eventually. Nothing I would like more to have a new challenger around, so I could squeeze my lazy neurons harder. At the end of the day, this game will be funny as long as there is competition.
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Post by stoic on May 24, 2019 3:15:47 GMT
dsongop, Did you go through this kind of scrutiny? Curious,to me that only previous record breakers are contesting so vehemently. Records are not forever they will be broken eventully😊 Let it be. I don't think you have read some previous pages and I can't blame you  I explained in details why there is a difference in attitude. 1. We actually did a detailed report when we began this competition and/or were ready to explain everything if someone had any type of questions (in fact, our rules say so ). Moreover, it was really fun to explain details of our strategy because we have found some really creative moves and we enjoyed to share it. 2. We know many players for many years. And we know their reputation. He doesn't have that kind of reputation yet. 3. We accepted some new players as new record holders with less demands because they explained (and demonstrated) their strategy clear enough. And it was a cautious attitude at the beginning all the time. Simply read "France in 16 turns" thread european-war-4.boards.net/thread/10744/france-1798-16-turns. But dsongop was able to answer all questions about his records as were able other players as well (another example Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr). They tried many times to break this or that record and can explain with closed eyes their strategy. dsongop demonstrated how to take London (a crucial move) even before there were questions about it. Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr explained his strategy and made a video without any complains or hot discussions. 4. Some of the records are looking suspicious and some are not. His Britain and Saxony were looking suspicious therefore there were questions. And not because we are suspicious and envious people, and therefore have some nasty questions. 5. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. His claims to beat records with 2,5 upgraded generals (while others have no upgrades at all) are really extraordinary. So it is reasonable that his records will be under a close examination. |
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Post by stoic on May 24, 2019 3:53:35 GMT
^^This^^ @conjoncio answers questions directly. Why is this still a debate? Give the man his title, no one else has gone through such scrutiny. There obviously is a problem, silvercreek, cojoncio's records don't make much sense to us, and I don't think I need to elaborate anymore. stoic and andrei were very specific on their doubts. Unless there is a video, preferably a commentary on top of it, I'll refuse to believe his records are valid. Or maybe there is this slight possibility that cojoncio is a true genius, and he completely reinvented the way we play conquests. He hinted at only taking cities, and not defeating a lot of enemy units. I wonder how the AI's population limits work, because if the AI do have a population system like we do, it would take extremely precise movements and strategies to flank their cities, lower their income, and eventually take them out. However, the possibility of this is very slim, and I'd still encourage cojoncio to speak more on this, and the other questions that we raised rather than dodging it and claiming that you'll "beat more records". Good point about AI's population limit! And actually I don't think it is possible to find out a good strategy simply calculating AI's population limit. The assumption is that AI has the same population limit as we have. But I can't agree that this assumption is right. One example is so obvious to miss it - France 1815 (under AI's guidance). After 10-15 initial turns France has so many troops that all possible limits are exceeded (in fact many times). There are other examples as well. And I presume we all were in the situation when an enemy (with his 5-6 battleships already fighting in various places) still continues to produce new land troops inside one remaining city. |
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Post by cojoncio on May 24, 2019 12:42:35 GMT
Glad to answer questions: Colours: When a unit is yet to move, its underlying circle is blinking. If you take a screen shot, is pale white. When the unit has spent its mobility, you get a normal white. Donations: if you check thru all the screens, you will realize that I had a very aggressive donations policy, as I usually donate my remaining resources to my allies. Basically in this conquest, you get a lot of money to donate as just from the beginning you are close to your population limit. Last 3 turns everything depended on me (and allies were already quite wealthy!). Murat on London: My willing strategy is: Sakurako and free French general proceed to take the westernmost Britain city (dont remember the name, but the one left to Manchester), while Murat sets foot on middle Britain. In the 6-7 previous turns, London has been battered via blast from Paris. If you research Military Tactics lv2, you will be able to reach it. As there are no foreign troops near London, AI usually let it unmanned. The winning movement is, just when you conquest that city near Manchester, you had one blast and one forced march on your sleeve. Use blast on London, and you cast a forced march on Murat, who rides for London full and bye. This time it did not work as desired, and I got a small delay there. When it works, is a pretty bloodless conquer. Spain: Spain is a 3 star country, with only morocco as a direct enemy. I donated quite a lot to spaniards so they have nothing better to do than to help a bit on UK and on Italian islands. Sometimes they do pretty poor, and sometimes pretty well. Tip: I mostly donate iron to Spain (and also gold as well), as I want them to produce ships. Contrarily, I dont donate iron to Turks because I dont want them to produce boats. Ok. I'll try it again. So Britain 1812 - record 33 turns. 1. Wellington is in Portugal. Can you demonstrate how he reached Ankara - by see, by air - how? Just repeat it and make some screenshots. 2. Where was the landing place? 3. Was he alone? 4. Ankara was the last remaining city of the Ottomans. Who captured their cities in Syria and Iraq before that? 5. You say: "Basically in this conquest, you get a lot of money to donate as just from the beginning you are close to your population limit". Yes and no. You are close to your population limit - yes. You get a lot many to donate - no. Your income is 202 coins. There are only 2 ways to increase it. 1. To upgrade your cities (it is quite expensive, so you can forget about donations for some time). 2. To take cities from an enemy (but it will take time before you can steal something from Americans and you are moving your Wellington away from Spain to Asia Minor). So your income will be modest (to say the least) for a significant period of time. Where on earth have you found "a lot of money" to donate your allies and build troops for your generals? In Europe there are only two units without generals - one unit of grenadiers in Birmingham and one unit of Artillery in Portugal. So you simply have to hire more units. 6. How in this situation was it possible that your allies in Europe and Africa were able to defeat their counterparts in time? 7. How was it possible that your allies had in this situation the upper possible number of units at turn 30, so that your donations were not needed anymore? You write: "Last 3 turns everything depended on me (and allies were already quite wealthy!)". Does it mean that the help of the Russians and the Egyptians was not necessary to you to defeat the Ottomans? 8. How about making video of this conquest, so that we could place all pieces of puzzle together? Great! As there are no additional questions for France, lets go back to UK33 as promised. I will gladly answer your questions stoic:
Questions 1, 2, 3: Look again at the winning screen. Are you sure he is Wellington? Question 4: Te answer about why Ankara was the last city is in New York. I am sure you will guess why. Question 5: When I said that, I was referring to France 1806, not to UK 1812. Question 6: You can take the US in few turns, and half France in few as well. Your economy becomes quite powerful, and you can donate. Again, some allies needs help, so help is delivered by means of answer #4. Some allies (Denmark) are defeated easily by their neighbors (Sweden) with almost no help if you know how.
Question 7: Maybe. now I am trying to beat my own record and post images.
Till the next post! Cheers!
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Post by Navia Lanoira on May 24, 2019 12:46:53 GMT
cojoncio, i have a suggestion. Why dont u briefly explain your conquest speedrun one by one? So this argument got clear at all.
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Post by stoic on May 24, 2019 13:45:08 GMT
Ok. I'll try it again. So Britain 1812 - record 33 turns. 1. Wellington is in Portugal. Can you demonstrate how he reached Ankara - by see, by air - how? Just repeat it and make some screenshots. 2. Where was the landing place? 3. Was he alone? 4. Ankara was the last remaining city of the Ottomans. Who captured their cities in Syria and Iraq before that? 5. You say: "Basically in this conquest, you get a lot of money to donate as just from the beginning you are close to your population limit". Yes and no. You are close to your population limit - yes. You get a lot many to donate - no. Your income is 202 coins. There are only 2 ways to increase it. 1. To upgrade your cities (it is quite expensive, so you can forget about donations for some time). 2. To take cities from an enemy (but it will take time before you can steal something from Americans and you are moving your Wellington away from Spain to Asia Minor). So your income will be modest (to say the least) for a significant period of time. Where on earth have you found "a lot of money" to donate your allies and build troops for your generals? In Europe there are only two units without generals - one unit of grenadiers in Birmingham and one unit of Artillery in Portugal. So you simply have to hire more units. 6. How in this situation was it possible that your allies in Europe and Africa were able to defeat their counterparts in time? 7. How was it possible that your allies had in this situation the upper possible number of units at turn 30, so that your donations were not needed anymore? You write: "Last 3 turns everything depended on me (and allies were already quite wealthy!)". Does it mean that the help of the Russians and the Egyptians was not necessary to you to defeat the Ottomans? 8. How about making video of this conquest, so that we could place all pieces of puzzle together? Great! As there are no additional questions for France, lets go back to UK33 as promised. I will gladly answer your questions stoic:
Questions 1, 2, 3: Look again at the winning screen. Are you sure he is Wellington? Question 4: Te answer about why Ankara was the last city is in New York. I am sure you will guess why. Question 5: When I said that, I was referring to France 1806, not to UK 1812. Question 6: AI's population limits Your economy becomes quite powerful, and you can donate. Again, some allies needs help, so help is delivered by means of answer #4. Some allies (Denmark) are defeated easily by their neighbors (Sweden) with almost no help if you know how.
Question 7: Maybe. now I am trying to beat my own record and post images.
Till the next post! Cheers!
That's simply great  1.2.3. Do you really think that it makes your situation more easy. If it is not Wellington - there are more problems than before. He at least has theoretical chances to reach Syria or Iraq to conquer all provinces there. Who else has a chance to do so? 4. Believe me, we already have enough riddles. Don't create new ones. 6. Can you demonstrate how your economy becomes so powerful that you can donate on the right and on the left conquering the half of Europe and USA AT THE SAME TIME? You say that USA and half of France can be defeated in few turns. Show me how! You say "Some allies (Denmark) are defeated easily by their neighbors (Sweden) with almost no help if you know how". I don't know how therefore I'm asking. And what I get - another riddle. There are two crucial points of your success with Britain. 1. Ability of some of your troops to take Turkish cities in Asia Minor, Syria and Iraq in 33 turns. 2. Economy so powerful that your allies don't need donations anymore around turn 30. And both crucial points are still without explanation. All what we have are funny riddles. Why are you completely ignoring a simple question - how you defeated the Ottoman empire in 33 turns while crushing other enemies on all fronts at the same time? |
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Post by stoic on May 24, 2019 15:37:44 GMT
stoic, do You have any idea regarding who is the guy looking like Wellington? Major Richard Sharpe? I am just curious how long it is possible to chitchat without giving any particular answer I don't care who is this guy. I really like to know what the hell he is doing in Syria and Asia Minor and how it was possible to bring him there in a glimpse of an eye |
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Post by Seger on May 24, 2019 17:01:02 GMT
You mean TV series? Yes, it is awesome as well. And encouraged me to read Cornwell I read all Sharpe's 25-30 books as well. Says so in the scriptures but the question is Who is the general if it isn't wellington? |
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Post by dsongop on May 24, 2019 18:06:18 GMT
cojoncio, it seems to me that you've dodged all questions about making a video. May I know why you refrain from doing so?
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