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Post by Navia Lanoira on Jun 22, 2019 9:19:47 GMT
Later i will view that lol. |
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Post by Navia Lanoira on Jun 22, 2019 12:32:14 GMT
Wait, how did you manage to do russia 1815 that fast?
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Post by stoic on Jun 22, 2019 17:51:52 GMT
Wait, how did you manage to do russia 1815 that fast? A simple magic  In fact, I think 32 turns is not a limit. After some experimentation I'm certain that USA and Brazil can be defeated in less than 30 turns. All what we need is to put all pieces of the puzzle together...   |
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Post by andrei on Jun 22, 2019 18:49:24 GMT
stoic , You are trying to beat cojoncio in Russia 1815? Looks like You are very passive - need to kill twice as many 
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Post by stoic on Jun 22, 2019 22:32:24 GMT
stoic , You are trying to beat cojoncio in Russia 1815? Looks like You are very passive - need to kill twice as many Not quite In his approach Turkey is alive quite for a while, I, on the other hand, try to knock it out first of all, so that I can disband almost all my troops there. Once I was really close, but I misinterpreted the situation in Spain and thought that donations to Spain and Portugal will be enough. So, I moved all my forces to Paris and my allies lost Madrid with usual consequences - spam of units and generals in it. Nevertheless, I don't loose my hope besides I don't have all technological upgrades yet, rifles or other items, so I definitely will try to do it (at least before Rome is out ). |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 23, 2019 2:05:35 GMT
lol there are so many ways to achieve ew6 records... for wc4 its just sticking with one method or for the sake of not being dogmatic, trying for a new but risky way. Its more of luck imo
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Post by andrei on Jun 23, 2019 4:40:23 GMT
stoic , You are trying to beat cojoncio in Russia 1815? Looks like You are very passive - need to kill twice as many Not quite In his approach Turkey is alive quite for a while, I, on the other hand, try to knock it out first of all, so that I can disband almost all my troops there. Once I was really close, but I misinterpreted the situation in Spain and thought that donations to Spain and Portugal will be enough. So, I moved all my forces to Paris and my allies lost Madrid with usual consequences - spam of units and generals in it. Nevertheless, I don't loose my hope besides I don't have all technological upgrades yet, rifles or other items, so I definitely will try to do it (at least before Rome is out ). Killing 60 more enemies with gens means to waste way too many turns. As I remember his team is not heavily cavalry focused. Did he kill it with non-generals units? In Turkey? |
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Post by Navia Lanoira on Jun 23, 2019 6:53:04 GMT
stoic , You are trying to beat cojoncio in Russia 1815? Looks like You are very passive - need to kill twice as many Not quite In his approach Turkey is alive quite for a while, I, on the other hand, try to knock it out first of all, so that I can disband almost all my troops there. Once I was really close, but I misinterpreted the situation in Spain and thought that donations to Spain and Portugal will be enough. So, I moved all my forces to Paris and my allies lost Madrid with usual consequences - spam of units and generals in it. Nevertheless, I don't loose my hope besides I don't have all technological upgrades yet, rifles or other items, so I definitely will try to do it (at least before Rome is out ). Paris spams grand army in about 10-20 turns. Idk how to beat it first before they do that. |
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Post by stoic on Jun 23, 2019 7:16:12 GMT
Not quite In his approach Turkey is alive quite for a while, I, on the other hand, try to knock it out first of all, so that I can disband almost all my troops there. Once I was really close, but I misinterpreted the situation in Spain and thought that donations to Spain and Portugal will be enough. So, I moved all my forces to Paris and my allies lost Madrid with usual consequences - spam of units and generals in it. Nevertheless, I don't loose my hope besides I don't have all technological upgrades yet, rifles or other items, so I definitely will try to do it (at least before Rome is out ). Killing 60 more enemies with gens means to waste way too many turns. As I remember his team is not heavily cavalry focused. Did he kill it with non-generals units? In Turkey? I have another explanation as well. It is possible to capture a city or two on the French-Prussian border, send Murat there and kill only those French units who have few HPs left. I personally don't like it, though, because new French units with full health can capture your cities there. So I really like when those cities are surrounded by weakened units. My guess is he can better explain how his team became a killing machine than I can do. |
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Post by stoic on Jun 23, 2019 7:25:58 GMT
Not quite In his approach Turkey is alive quite for a while, I, on the other hand, try to knock it out first of all, so that I can disband almost all my troops there. Once I was really close, but I misinterpreted the situation in Spain and thought that donations to Spain and Portugal will be enough. So, I moved all my forces to Paris and my allies lost Madrid with usual consequences - spam of units and generals in it. Nevertheless, I don't loose my hope besides I don't have all technological upgrades yet, rifles or other items, so I definitely will try to do it (at least before Rome is out ). Paris spams grand army in about 10-20 turns. Idk how to beat it first before they do that. The solution is not to do it at all The key is to eliminate France's allies one after another. I prefer to destroy Ottomans first (now I can do it in 16 turns). Then Naples or Italy (depending on situation). And only then I move my generals into France. At this time France's great forces are overstretched - they fight in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, even attempt invade Britain. So it is possible to break their defensive lines relatively easy in Italy and to invade France itself. At least, it is my strategy. |
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Post by Navia Lanoira on Jun 23, 2019 7:33:52 GMT
Paris spams grand army in about 10-20 turns. Idk how to beat it first before they do that. The solution is not to do it at all The key is to eliminate France's allies one after another. I prefer to destroy Ottomans first (now I can do it in 16 turns). Then Naples or Italy (depending on situation). And only then I move my generals into France. At this time France's great forces are overstretched - they fight in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, even attempt invade Britain. So it is possible to break their defensive lines relatively easy in Italy and to invade France itself. At least, it is my strategy. Okay so it will be like spain that the last opponent is ottomans. So it will be first, defend austria, and then invade italy and last, france. |
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Post by stoic on Jun 23, 2019 9:59:19 GMT
The solution is not to do it at all The key is to eliminate France's allies one after another. I prefer to destroy Ottomans first (now I can do it in 16 turns). Then Naples or Italy (depending on situation). And only then I move my generals into France. At this time France's great forces are overstretched - they fight in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, even attempt invade Britain. So it is possible to break their defensive lines relatively easy in Italy and to invade France itself. At least, it is my strategy. Okay so it will be like spain that the last opponent is ottomans. So it will be first, defend austria, and then invade italy and last, france. There are three significant differences in comparison to Spain. First, economic situation. After a couple of upgrades and and a couple of captured cities you can donate more than 500 coins per turn. Second, Ottomans are weaker than France by any standards. And, third, Russia has more cities - therefore potentially more universities - therefore potentially more Forced marches and Blasts. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 23, 2019 10:20:56 GMT
gosh ew6 strategy seems tough, must be really a feat to dominate ew6 records!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 12:35:46 GMT
The answer is always cavalry charge. Seriously tho, having maxed out cavalries is what will make or break your speed run. The reason is because lancers are op(low cost, same upgrade as heavy cavalry, and is basically a better version of heavy cavalry in terms of cost) , high mobility, chance of attacking after defeating a unit or destroying a city. Artillery is too slow, although they have uses such as 2 rounding city Vs. Infantry sadly sucks in speed runs, and have too much niche use that you'd rather wish you used a cavalry gen. Navy gens are actually the second most useful gens in a speed run, especially on 1812 and 1815. If you plan on beating more records, just have 6 strong cavalry gens, an artillery gen, a navy gen and maybe some infantry gens if you have the slots, and swap items and healing items each as the conquest progress. Hmmm also, i think the term speed run is wrong, rather a low turn count run, if we are to be more technical, because the time to finish a conquest record can take about 3 hours, and we're counting the number of turns, not the time to finish . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 12:38:19 GMT
Navia Lanoira, stoic, Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr, oh, also cavalry is op because their high mobility lowers the possibility of making a blunder, thus you can pretty much fck around and you're still gonna have a really good run. For countries that have a lot of infantry during the start, just disband them and build dem lancers.
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sorry
In fact, I think 32 turns is not a limit. After some experimentation I'm certain that USA and Brazil can be defeated in less than 30 turns. All what we need is to put all pieces of the puzzle together...
