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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 15:11:17 GMT
I doubt it will be possible to find the post with necessary record here soon. It happens  |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jul 2, 2019 6:31:34 GMT
I doubt it will be possible to find the post with necessary record here soon. finding them in wc4 with around 25 pages was already a 30minute task |
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Post by Navia Lanoira on Jul 2, 2019 7:39:50 GMT
I doubt it will be possible to find the post with necessary record here soon. It happens Maybe you will see when you dont know |
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Post by stoic on Jul 2, 2019 8:21:08 GMT
I doubt it will be possible to find the post with necessary record here soon. finding them in wc4 with around 25 pages was already a 30minute task I personally don't worry... A couple of new records and it is back on the right track |
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Post by SolidLight on Sept 16, 2019 6:25:19 GMT
 Well, this is a surprise. This is my first record ever, and I don't think I can manage to beat too many others. I managed to cut down the 2 star 1798 record by 2 turns using Prussia and not Naples. The strategy is pretty simple, just make a beeline for Paris and Spain on the western front. And kill Warsaw in 2 turns and use that army to attack the Ottomans. Your speed on this conquest is more or less determined by tactical prowess, luck, and whether or not you have Blucher. I'll try to replicate a similar game and post some screenshots of that one later. Sidenote, how much do I need to do to get World Fastest Conqueror? |
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Post by andrei on Sept 16, 2019 7:39:14 GMT
Well, this is a surprise. This is my first record ever, and I don't think I can manage to beat too many others. I managed to cut down the 2 star 1798 record by 2 turns using Prussia and not Naples. The strategy is pretty simple, just make a beeline for Paris and Spain on the western front. And kill Warsaw in 2 turns and use that army to attack the Ottomans. Your speed on this conquest is more or less determined by tactical prowess, luck, and whether or not you have Blucher. I'll try to replicate a similar game and post some screenshots of that one later. Sidenote, how much do I need to do to get World Fastest Conqueror? It is normally vote for You in the group World Fastest Conqueror. Just post screenshots of every three turn of the conquest, so we could see You progress on the different parts of the map (to cover all important war fronts) and someone will start vote procedure  |
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Post by SolidLight on Sept 16, 2019 16:53:10 GMT
So! Here's the story of how Blucher and co. managed to defeat the evil French Empire + allies, lead by the evil Napoleon Bonaparte in five ingame years. 
Turn 1 western front. The gang destroys the fort in Hamburg. It's early so I don't really mind having to reset in case of some RNG shenanigans with Victory rush. And that fort is extremely annoying. Denmark will either uselessly build another artillery unit and not move that rifleman unit from Hamburg if you're lucky, or move the grenadier and the rifleman and target your frigate if you're unlucky, and that makes harassing Denmark way harder. It happened this run unfortunately. Also I was experimenting with bribery this first turn. If you use a light cav, then you can do one bribe. You don't want to delay any enemies, so the choice is: Get Sweden in earlier (not strong), get Sardinia in earlier (lol), get Portugal in earlier (lol), get Naples in earlier (possibly good, though not really, too slow to help me against The Ottomans) or get Russia in earlier (still too late to help!). So yeah, I'd rather have Murat on a lancer. 
Turn 1 Eastern Front Mahmud and Yorck are in position to attack Lodz, but I can't have Poland annoy me from the back on these first critical turns. So they're going to have to uselessly hang out for a while, usually to turn 7. I don't use Alexander now because mine is less upgraded than my Mahmud and I need to save 1 artillery gen.
Turn 3 Western Front The gang has no time to stop. They clone Horse daddy Blucher and hurries to the Netherlands. They need to beat the dutch ASAP. hopefully you'll be able to beat them by turn 4. This is a pretty bad formation for that though so I doubt They'll be able to do it on this run.
Turn 3 Eastern Front Mahmud and Yorck are still hanging out on a picnic on the polish border. Horse waifu will join them. Also remember to build universities when you can and conjure as many explosives as possible in Poznan.
Turn 6 Western Front The group did manage to take Amsterdam by turn 4 because the Netherlands decided not to defend it for some reason. Some bad positioning with Ney meant that I had to garrison Hamburg prematurely. That's going to slow things down. Oh well, this isn't the record run anyway. I'm going to start a guerilla war with militia against the french generals and have the HRE meatshield for me while I take Paris before Turn 9 I hope.
Turn 6 Eastern Front Still hanging out. Though that ends next turn. Horse Waifu is positioned as far behind as possible to maximize her damage done by Surprise attack. Either Yorck or Horse Ginger will be able to take Lodz.
Turn 6 Italy Wanted to point out this now. Naples just joined, but Italy joins the war on Turn ~9. You HAVE to declare on Italy this turn or else the neapolitans are going to foolishly sail to Corsica and die along the way.
Turn 7 Western Front I don't have to take this screenshot, but it showcases an incredibly important tactic for this run, so here goes. Jourdan in Paris is bad. Killing generals in cities is a pain, but all you need to do is to move out of his range and he'll leave the city, either undefended or with a weak infantry unit. This time I got lucky and he left it undefended, allowing me to take Paris on turn 8.
Turn 7 Eastern Front Lan and her gang gets to work.
Turn 9 Overview So this is how the map looks on turn 9. There's a lot of bad things going on in this run. Ludwig and Wilhelm III were slowed down too much, so I can't have them go to the west coast of France like I usually do. Denmark is trouble since Sweden played like a fool and gave them Gothenburg. The worst is Poland though, Poniatowski just spawned, so I have to wait to turn 10 to kill them. sometimes this happens, sometimes it doesn't. Last time it didn't. Oh well, I think I might lose one or two turns because of this.
Turn 9 Italy This is going well though. The French are wasting money and pop in that death trap, and Naples have taken Rome.
Turn 12 Scandinavia Horrible, absolutely horrible.
Turn 12 France and Iberia France is about 60% dead at this point and not a threat, Italy is 99% dead, but I haven't dented Spain yet. Worse, They're eating Portugal alive. That didn't happen last time, and I was donating both on this run and the last one. This looks like a 28-30 turn conquest instead of a ~25 turn conquest at this point.
Turn 12 Eastern Front Even this is bad. That Poniatowski thing slowed down Horse waifu, argh, and my Horse ginger is not nearly as good as her right now, and Yorck can't do much.
Turn 15 Southern Front Italy is dead, France is 95% dead. Sardinia have taken Corsica and Naples is on their way to the Balkans. France goes first in the turn order and Murat will leave Turin, so I think I can kill France next turn.
Turn 15 Iberia Not too great. I think I can win before turn 25 here atleast. Portugal won't die, but they're not going to be useful like they were last game.
Turn 15 Scandinavia Still bad, Gothenburg will fall again because Denmark moves before Sweden. But Sweden is getting reinforcements from HRE, Russia, and Britain right now, Denmark shouldn't be long for this world, but It'll take time. I'm also trying to grab free cities with militia out of this war. I'm having terrible luck up here, Sweden should usually be 1v1ing Denmark and winning as long as you give them sufficient donations.
Turn 15 Ottomans Alright, I'm finally here! Ney took a lot of damage since he had to spearhead the attack unfortunately. I want to take belgrade with that stable open so I can spam light cavalries out of there. I'm also planning to let HRE and Naples meatshield again while I move behind the Ottoman lines and snag their cities. Russia won't be too helpful unfortunately. I think I can win by turn ~25.
Turn 18 Scandinavia So I want you to take a look at Swedens expenses. They decided to upgrade Stockholm to lv 6 and build assault infantries. Kinda makes me feel like I'm trying to raise a spoiled kid.
Turn 18 Iberia I think I can take Palma next turn.
Turn 18 Southern front Murat and Berthier decided to play extremely defensively here in Turin, but France is doomed regardless.
Turn 18 Ottomans Yorck is going to cross the Dardandelles next turn. Horse waifu is sieging down that annoying fort in front of Istanbul. Russia and Naples are meatshielding well. 
Turn 22 Scandinavia Denmark is usually dead by now. You've seen that I've had awful luck with Sweden all this game.
Turn 22 Iberia Spain is 99% dead.
Turn 22 Ottomans This is slower than last time, but still follows the same strategy. Remember to capture Istanbul ONLY IF THAT FACTORY IS OPEN. Otherwise you won't be able to spam siege artillery across the strait. Now you can see why I saved Alexander all game long. And target the cities in the back because Lan and her gang should be able to take the ones in the front in time.
Turn 23 Iberia Spain down
Turn 26 Scandinavia Still having terrible luck! Russia LOST Copenhagen and Britain lost what I think is Kristiansand!
Turn 26 Ottomans Ottomans down.
Turn 28 Denmark dies. I had lots of things happen this run. just a ton of unfortunate enemy positioning and bad luck with Poniatowski and Denmark. Oh well, this is roughly the strategy I used. Though I wonder if I should just rush at the Ottomans with Lan and her gang and make a third army to fight Poland and Denmark if I get such bad luck as I had this run. That would also make me fight the Ottomans earlier which is good because they're usually the limiting factor. I think 22 turns might be possible. |
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Post by andrei on Sept 16, 2019 16:59:34 GMT
SolidLight, yes, that's what we normally ask for. But 5 turns difference between results is quite a big difference for 23 turns conquest. IDK. Let's wait for other opinions of the WFC group members.
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Post by SolidLight on Sept 16, 2019 17:08:35 GMT
SolidLight , yes, that's what we normally ask for. But 5 turns difference between results is quite a big difference for 23 turns conquest. IDK. Let's wait for other opinions of the WFC group members. I mean, I would have won by 26 turns or maybe 24-25 if I didn't have Poniatowski or horrible luck with Denmark. Also I'll try again if that's not good enough. If I did it once, I can for sure manage a second time. It was also pretty fun writing a screenshot conquest, never done that before. |
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Post by SolidLight on Sept 17, 2019 12:23:51 GMT
Ok andrei ,! Here's a 2nd run of what I did except that I actually finished on turn 23!  Turn 2 Western Front Pretty much the same opening, I'm rushing to Amsterdam and Paris now. Turn 3 Overview Still not too different Turn 6 Western Front Still charging at Paris. Ludwig and Wilhelm are too slow again. Turn 6 Eastern Front So last time I made a pretty bad mistake. I shouldn't have waited to turn 7 before attacking Poland. I NEED to take Warsaw on Turn 8. Poniatowski can only spawn on turn 9. This means that I won't be able to take Lodz in one fell swoop, but this is faster and thats what matters. Turn 6 Italy Remembered to declare on Italy this turn, sometimes I forget it and lose.
 Turn 8 Eastern front Poland lies dead at my feet, now I can move faster. Turn 8 Scandinavia Waaayyy better luck up here. This is looking good. Turn 9 France and Iberia Things are going according to plan. I just donated to Portugal so they won't get eaten.
Turn 10 Italy Italy is going down. Turn 12 Balkans I start my attack on the Ottomans on turn 12. That's earlier than last time, same strategy, let HRE tank while I siege their cities. Turn 12 Scandinavia I could hope for better up here, but it's going fine. Turn 14 Ottomans Lan gets to work and swings her sword at the fort. Turn 15 Ottomans This is fine, but Mahmud is just too slow to help! Turn 15 Iberia Wow, Portugal is doing great. Turn 15 Scandinavia Good.
 Turn 17 Ottomans The entirety of the Balkans is mine, all I need to do is to cross my fingers and hope that they leave that factory open. Turn 18 Scandinavia Sweden took Copenhagen with no danger of Denmark recapturing it. Great! Turn 19 Ottomans Great, the factory is open. So I can start attacking Anatolia early. Turn 21 Scandinavia So much better luck up here. Turn 21 Ottomans I'm really scrambling for the last few cities.
 Turn 23 Ottomans Ottoblob down.
Turn 23 VICTORY! Denmark falls on Swedens turn. That area is waaayy too inconsistent. I have another general slot left and I don't think an additional one would really help speed up the other fronts. Maybe I'll use Nelson to pound the Danish and take Copenhagen myself. Also 22 turns is definetly possible as long as I have good victory rush RNG in Anatolia, I was almost able to kill the ottomans on that turn and would have if I had juuuuust one more unit to capture the last city. For now. This is how it is. |
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Post by andrei on Sept 17, 2019 16:22:20 GMT
SolidLight, great. Let's wait for other WFC members to appear. It could take time though
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Post by SolidLight on Sept 17, 2019 18:05:07 GMT
I just had an insane idea. I think 1798 Prussia just might actually have the potential for a 16-18 turn conquest. I could bribe the Ottomans early if I use a light cav for Murat instead of a lancer, and then I just need to find some time to send the 2nd bribe before turn 17. If I use a minimum of 7 of my generals on cavalry I might be able to beat Spain before turn 19. Not having to care about the Ottomans means that I can spare some resources for dealing with Denmark and I can definetly beat Poland before turn 19. I'll try this sometime.
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Post by stoic on Sept 18, 2019 6:48:31 GMT
It seems legitimate enough to me. Great job, Kevin!
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Post by SolidLight on Sept 18, 2019 21:04:20 GMT
So I'm sure my crazy idea of finishing 1798 conquest with Prussia in 18 turns is possible. Check out these screenshots.  Turn 9 and I'm already at the throat of Spain. I need to have Blucher, Murat, and Dabrowski sweep through Spain in 9 turns - seems possible, if I can capture Toulouse with the stable open. This is the hardest part. 
And on the same turn I'm only about 90 gold and quite some industry away from sending the second bribe to the Ottomans. I'll probably still need some good luck along the way, but I don't want to play too much for now since I'm feeling sick. |
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Post by SolidLight on Sept 19, 2019 18:51:18 GMT
Here's a completely normal Prussia 1798 run: 
Turn 2 Western Front This is the absolute best formation I can hope for. BRIBE OTTOMANS.
Turn 10 France Sorry for the lack of screenshots, I was forgetting to take them along the way. But here I'm ready to take on Spain.
Turn 12 Iberia I had bad Portugal RNG this run, but it's still winnable in 18 turns despite this. And Sweden (offscreen) was doing great with assistance from Nelson.
Turn 14 France I can almost trust Naples and HRE to do some work for me and take Lyon, but I really had to scramble hard.
Turn 14 Scandinavia As you can see, Sweden was doing great.
Turn 17 Iberia Portugal is down, but I can beat this. Everything is actually positioned so that there's 0% chance of me getting unlucky and not finishing Spain before turn 18. I also sent the 2nd bribe on turn 16 (which is one turn before the Ottomans joined). It costed me something like 1150 gold.
Turn 17 Overview Here you can see that basically everything is finished. Also proof that Ottomans was bribed out of the game.
Turn 18 France Spain is finished, but oh wait! I overlooked the enemy Murat. He died at the end of Turn 17 but this is a pretty bad mistake nonetheless, if I get unlucky here I might lose.
Turn 18 VICTORY! But I luck out and HRE finishes France for good! Bam, a 2 star country managed to do what only 3 stars countries were able to do before! This was the hardest thing i've ever done in any ET game. For this conquest I basically had to charge all the way to Spain, without delay, hoping I'd make it there alive. If I got unlucky and got blocked in and failed some victory rushes I basically had to restart. I failed like 3 times on the last turn and had to reset like 30 times in order to have the stars align. And honestly this isn't the best that Prussia 1798 can do. You can get 17 turns with this strat if you get amazingly good Portugal RNG. 16 turns might also be possible and the good thing about that is that you only have to send one bribe. The one on turn 1. And that means that you CAN donate to Portugal and hope that they beat Spain for you. You might have to handle Lyon, Marseille and Turin on your own if you do that though.
best75 please put this up. Ty.
Here's a terrible picture I made that illustrates how this conquest basically was. |
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