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Post by Mr.NiceMan on Jul 27, 2018 7:02:37 GMT
Hi guys I am new to this forum but I have been playing easytech’s game for ages now since Glory of generals. I now got Washington(M general/prince1) and Kutuzov(major/ marquess1). I have been grinding and now got around 2000 medals, I was planning to but Murat but I was wondering if his skills are really that good. For example, I have tried his surprise attack skill before, tbh it’s not as effective as I thought(even on lvl3), and maneuver is pretty much useless.
And then Davout have a higher lvl precision strike(which is a must for every cal gen)and a bunch of useful skills like edge, tactic master and riding master, which basically increases base attack, critical attack and strikes per turn.
But the thing is, I have heard a lot of praise about Murat in EW6 but I do see youtubers buying davout first. So, sht man, I can’t decide who to buy. One more thing, medal is not my concern, cause I can also grind more:)
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Post by yuanzhong on Jul 27, 2018 7:58:56 GMT
But the Halo skill of Murat can increase the base atk of his unit by 20.
The final atk stats (which you see in Unit screen) is: base atk x (100% + additional percentage from Ability + additional percentage from Terrain buff)
So 20 base atk is a huge number.
Beside all units within 3 hexes from him also gain this bonus (lvl 6 skill).
That's why many people consider Murat the best Cav general (Don't count IAP Blucher)
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Post by Mr. Nice Man on Jul 27, 2018 9:06:30 GMT
But the Halo skill of Murat can increase the base atk of his unit by 20. The final atk stats (which you see in Unit screen) is: base atk x (100% + additional percentage from Ability + additional percentage from Terrain buff) So 20 base atk is a huge number. Beside all units within 3 hexes from him also gain this bonus (lvl 6 skill). That's why many people consider Murat the best Cav general (Don't count IAP Blucher) Oh thanks so I guess I will buy Murat first then. |
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Post by Kutuzov on Jul 27, 2018 12:40:15 GMT
I personally got Davout first before I even knew about the aura buffs. I had an unupgraded blucher before that. Honestly, I would not pass up on Davout in any way. I think buying Davout first makes more sense as he is more useful then murat even without the aura buff. But I would make sure you have both, it makes portugal 1798 a cake walk. You could also consider purchasing Blucher. I know that you aren’t keen to wasting money, but he is the best cavarly general out there and has the highest output. At max output he has + 80 damage plus 25% plain fighting + plus the percentage boost from his battle and cavarly ability. He shoots at like 250 output without a critical hit.
If you don’t he is just as good. Davout is very useful as he can attack twice and his skill set is very powerful. I mean he does not have a single useless perk. Plus murat is less useful when he has no one to buff. He still hits very hard though.
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Post by Mr.NiceMan on Jul 27, 2018 14:25:04 GMT
Thanks bro I definitely won’t pass Davout as I wanted to buy 3 inf gens, 2 cav gens, 2 art gens and 1 navy gen. I won’t buy extra slots but I am thinking about buying Napoleon more than Blucher because there just aren’t many gd artillery gens in EW6, even kutuzov is far from his stats.
I agree having more battle ability is more important than specific abilities as it is more useful in campaigns/Challenges and I am finding a gd cal gen to pass the campaign missions but man after reading your comment I am more confuse now. But to be honest, I got Washington and kutuzov and they are quite capable of anything, I guess I will still go for a better cavalry gen then a all-round cav gen and buy davout later(maybe after karl) as I am mainly focusing on horse power. But man, you got me worrying for a sec. lol thanks anyway tho
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Post by stoic on Jul 27, 2018 15:24:18 GMT
I personally think that Davout is a bit overrated. For example, let's compare Davout and Ney. 3 skills are the same and both can be kings in the future. So basically we have Plain fighting vs. Station and Tactic Master.
Plain fighting is the second best skill in the game (after aura skills). But what about Station?
1. You will attack 90% of time in the game. And to be honest all "defense" missions are quite easy in EW6.
2. Even if you will need a general with bonus in cities, - you already have Kutusov.
3. Cavalry is best suited for attacking actions, behind enemy's lines. You really don't want that your best cavalry general will sit and wait behind the walls, do you?
Tactic Master is a good skill but percent is to low to be decisive. Playing as Britain in 1812 you can use Paget with this skill and see whether or not it is satisfying for you.
Therefore I think that Plain fighting is better than Station and Tactic Master together. And Murat who has aura skill plus Plain fighting is imo a far better option than Davout.
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Post by Kutuzov on Jul 27, 2018 16:57:18 GMT
Thanks bro I definitely won’t pass Davout as I wanted to buy 3 inf gens, 2 cav gens, 2 art gens and 1 navy gen. I won’t buy extra slots but I am thinking about buying Napoleon more than Blucher because there just aren’t many gd artillery gens in EW6, even kutuzov is far from his stats. I agree having more battle ability is more important than specific abilities as it is more useful in campaigns/Challenges and I am finding a gd cal gen to pass the campaign missions but man after reading your comment I am more confuse now. But to be honest, I got Washington and kutuzov and they are quite capable of anything, I guess I will still go for a better cavalry gen then a all-round cav gen and buy davout later(maybe after karl) as I am mainly focusing on horse power. But man, you got me worrying for a sec. lol thanks anyway tho Napoleon is great. But how is Mahmud II any worse than Napoleon. The only thing he lacks is the storm fortifications skill. But Murat lacks edge on Blucher. The choice is yours man. Mahmud II costs only 1560 medals whereas murat costs around 2300. Both aren’t bad options tbh. But blucher will allow you to win both campaign and conquest faster. His damage is just ridiculous. Napoleon is good, but he just lacks a terrain bonus to make him truly exceptional. |
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Post by Kutuzov on Jul 27, 2018 17:05:01 GMT
I personally think that Davout is a bit overrated. For example, let's compare Davout and Ney. 3 skills are the same and both can be kings in the future. So basically we have Plain fighting vs. Station and Tactic Master. Plain fighting is the second best skill in the game (after aura skills). But what about Station? 1. You will attack 90% of time in the game. And to be honest all "defense" missions are quite easy in EW6. 2. Even if you will need a general with bonus in cities, - you already have Kutusov. 3. Cavalry is best suited for attacking actions, behind enemy's lines. You really don't want that your best cavalry general will sit and wait behind the walls, do you? Tactic Master is a good skill but percent is to low to be decisive. Playing as Britain in 1812 you can use Paget with this skill and see whether or not it is satisfying for you. Therefore I think that Plain fighting is better than Station and Tactic Master together. And Murat who has aura skill plus Plain fighting is imo a far better option than Davout. I see your point. But cavarly fights quite often in cities as it is the best unit to use to capture them. It moves 5/6 hexes, whereas grenadiers barely move 3. It really depends on your opinion on tactic master. For me, I upgraded it to lvl 5, and the chance is 20% so it happens all the time for me. Really tactics master is great as if you don’t one hit kill an enemy, it might trigger and it will allow you to kill them. It is also great for killing cities and fortresses, and also allowing you to attack twice if that skill triggers after you kill an enemy (it doesn’t always allow you too). As for ney. His output is great, but 1) he lacks an aura boost, 2) he does not have tactics master. Why would you need both Ney and Murat if you could just use Murat as he is capable of anything ney is. Davout on the otherhand can do what Murat can’t do, which is attack twice. Trust me, Davout might look weak, but I sold Kutuzov to get him once the patch came out, and I have no regretted it in any way possible. He is just amazing. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 27, 2018 18:04:11 GMT
I personally think that Davout is a bit overrated. For example, let's compare Davout and Ney. 3 skills are the same and both can be kings in the future. So basically we have Plain fighting vs. Station and Tactic Master. Plain fighting is the second best skill in the game (after aura skills). But what about Station? 1. You will attack 90% of time in the game. And to be honest all "defense" missions are quite easy in EW6. 2. Even if you will need a general with bonus in cities, - you already have Kutusov. 3. Cavalry is best suited for attacking actions, behind enemy's lines. You really don't want that your best cavalry general will sit and wait behind the walls, do you? Tactic Master is a good skill but percent is to low to be decisive. Playing as Britain in 1812 you can use Paget with this skill and see whether or not it is satisfying for you. Therefore I think that Plain fighting is better than Station and Tactic Master together. And Murat who has aura skill plus Plain fighting is imo a far better option than Davout. I see your point. But cavarly fights quite often in cities as it is the best unit to use to capture them. It moves 5/6 hexes, whereas grenadiers barely move 3. It really depends on your opinion on tactic master. For me, I upgraded it to lvl 5, and the chance is 20% so it happens all the time for me. Really tactics master is great as if you don’t one hit kill an enemy, it might trigger and it will allow you to kill them. It is also great for killing cities and fortresses, and also allowing you to attack twice if that skill triggers after you kill an enemy (it doesn’t always allow you too). As for ney. His output is great, but 1) he lacks an aura boost, 2) he does not have tactics master. Why would you need both Ney and Murat if you could just use Murat as he is capable of anything ney is. Davout on the otherhand can do what Murat can’t do, which is attack twice. Trust me, Davout might look weak, but I sold Kutuzov to get him once the patch came out, and I have no regretted it in any way possible. He is just amazing. To be honest Murat and other cavalry generals can attack twice as well because of units' ability. But a double or triple attack is a double edge sword. You not only deliver damage, you receive it as well. I don't have Davout, but I need to move my cavalry team together (with two Commanders) so that it could be effective, otherwise a lone cavalry general has no chance against any decent opponents late in the game. So you are right, it's all about playing style. In my current team cavalry generals move together and their primary role is to deliver damage. In this situation I prefer Ney over Davout. |
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Post by andrei on Jul 27, 2018 18:34:58 GMT
I personally think that Davout is a bit overrated. For example, let's compare Davout and Ney. 3 skills are the same and both can be kings in the future. So basically we have Plain fighting vs. Station and Tactic Master. Plain fighting is the second best skill in the game (after aura skills). But what about Station? 1. You will attack 90% of time in the game. And to be honest all "defense" missions are quite easy in EW6. 2. Even if you will need a general with bonus in cities, - you already have Kutusov. 3. Cavalry is best suited for attacking actions, behind enemy's lines. You really don't want that your best cavalry general will sit and wait behind the walls, do you? Tactic Master is a good skill but percent is to low to be decisive. Playing as Britain in 1812 you can use Paget with this skill and see whether or not it is satisfying for you. Therefore I think that Plain fighting is better than Station and Tactic Master together. And Murat who has aura skill plus Plain fighting is imo a far better option than Davout. Don't forget Davout will have also 7% attack higher than Ney just only because of the abilities. It is quite significant difference for a base attack comparison. And I agree Station is useful in this case as Cavalry is very often used to occupy cities simply because infantry is slower and need to push forward instead of occupying cities. Tactic Master together with the cavalry ability makes it almost guaranteed attack when You so need it. This skill is unfortunately not as good as it looked like when game was just released. But anyway very impressive. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 27, 2018 18:39:20 GMT
Interesting what andrei thinks of it. I suppose his Davout is fully upgraded now (or close to that)... Plain fighting is a great skill, so the question is whether or not Station and Tactics Master could beat it... |
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Post by Kutuzov on Jul 27, 2018 18:39:52 GMT
I see your point. But cavarly fights quite often in cities as it is the best unit to use to capture them. It moves 5/6 hexes, whereas grenadiers barely move 3. It really depends on your opinion on tactic master. For me, I upgraded it to lvl 5, and the chance is 20% so it happens all the time for me. Really tactics master is great as if you don’t one hit kill an enemy, it might trigger and it will allow you to kill them. It is also great for killing cities and fortresses, and also allowing you to attack twice if that skill triggers after you kill an enemy (it doesn’t always allow you too). As for ney. His output is great, but 1) he lacks an aura boost, 2) he does not have tactics master. Why would you need both Ney and Murat if you could just use Murat as he is capable of anything ney is. Davout on the otherhand can do what Murat can’t do, which is attack twice. Trust me, Davout might look weak, but I sold Kutuzov to get him once the patch came out, and I have no regretted it in any way possible. He is just amazing. To be honest Murat and other cavalry generals can attack twice as well because of units' ability. But a double or triple attack is a double edge sword. You not only deliver damage, you receive it as well. I don't have Davout, but I need to move my cavalry team together (with two Commanders) so that it could be effective, otherwise a lone cavalry general has no chance against any decent opponents late in the game. So you are right, it's all about playing style. In my current team cavalry generals move together and their primary role is to deliver damage. In this situation I prefer Ney over Davout. I mean the game is about having fun, so do whatever strategy is the most comfortable for you man! |
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Post by stoic on Jul 27, 2018 18:40:12 GMT
Ok we know already what he thinks  |
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Post by andrei on Jul 27, 2018 18:41:45 GMT
Interesting what andrei thinks of it. I suppose his Davout is fully upgraded now (or close to that)... Plain fighting is a great skill, so the question is whether or not Station and Tactics Master could beat it... I already did it. Davout is very good. But as You described how You use Your second gen I fully support You. He is not the choice. I use Murat and Blucher together. If I won't have Blucher I would also take second aura buff gen for sure, not Davout. |
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Post by Kutuzov on Jul 27, 2018 18:42:44 GMT
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