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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 14, 2018 3:23:57 GMT
He has one of the debuffs, is free, and more importantly has cure master for my generals to heal. But he does lack spy. I will have Nelson and Washington to back him up. He also is much cheaper for me, and will save potentially 4000+ medals for me, allowing me to grab the paladin sword earlier.
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Post by Singlemalt on Aug 14, 2018 4:49:52 GMT
I am afraid you wont be able to finish the last mission like volograd for example with this substitution..
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 14, 2018 5:00:17 GMT
I am afraid you wont be able to finish the last mission like volograd for example with this substitution.. True. But I can use him temporarily till I have enough medals to get Nobunaga. And maybe get Khalid to join the team, as he has both artillery commander and spy, which would work great with napoleon’s rumor. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Aug 14, 2018 8:12:43 GMT
I am afraid you wont be able to finish the last mission like volograd for example with this substitution.. True. But I can use him temporarily till I have enough medals to get Nobunaga. And maybe get Khalid to join the team, as he has both artillery commander and spy, which would work great with napoleon’s rumor. That sounds like a good plan! |
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Post by Iron Duke on Aug 14, 2018 9:12:34 GMT
I am afraid you wont be able to finish the last mission like volograd for example with this substitution.. Well, stoic has proven that it is possible to complete the game using Mocte and without Nobby. I can't say I'd recommend it for the average player, but it is possible nonetheless. |
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Post by Iron Duke on Aug 14, 2018 9:28:04 GMT
He has one of the debuffs, is free, and more importantly has cure master for my generals to heal. But he does lack spy. I will have Nelson and Washington to back him up. He also is much cheaper for me, and will save potentially 4000+ medals for me, allowing me to grab the paladin sword earlier. For me it's a no-brainer to get Mocte as he represents very good vfm at 40k coins. Whether or not he makes the final lineup though is certainly a matter of choice and depends on your team's focus and makeup. There is a reason Nobunaga makes almost every lineup, and that's the great damage that he can inflict on the enemy - especially if you have archer commanders. If you are to do without him then you need to make up for that damage somewhere else. Personally I took Mocte to 4* then swapped him out for someone else, can't remember who exactly now. It was probably Li or Nelson, but don't quote me on that. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 14, 2018 11:49:59 GMT
He has one of the debuffs, is free, and more importantly has cure master for my generals to heal. But he does lack spy. I will have Nelson and Washington to back him up. He also is much cheaper for me, and will save potentially 4000+ medals for me, allowing me to grab the paladin sword earlier. For me it's a no-brainer to get Mocte as he represents very good vfm at 40k coins. Whether or not he makes the final lineup though is certainly a matter of choice and depends on your team's focus and makeup. There is a reason Nobunaga makes almost every lineup, and that's the great damage that he can inflict on the enemy - especially if you have archer commanders. If you are to do without him then you need to make up for that damage somewhere else. Personally I took Mocte to 4* then swapped him out for someone else, can't remember who exactly now. It was probably Li or Nelson, but don't quote me on that. I think Nobunaga has mass fire which means he does double damage pretty much. And that makes sense. I can probably upgrade Moctezuma a bit as it is super cheap, and use him for a while till I get both Nobunaga and Nelson, then get rid of him. Thanks for the advice man. Having a blue general with cure master seems really overpowered considering how many medals it will save as you won’t have to purchase caesar. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 14, 2018 15:13:58 GMT
I am afraid you wont be able to finish the last mission like volograd for example with this substitution.. Well, stoic has proven that it is possible to complete the game using Mocte and without Nobby. I can't say I'd recommend it for the average player, but it is possible nonetheless. For sure it is possible. The only two archers I used the second time were Li and Mocte, but it was exactly because I knew what I'm supposed to do and was looking for a new challenge. Nobunaga makes our life a lot more easier and my idea was to do it without the best archer and the best artillery general. But I must confess that some defense missions (in Osaka, for example) were simply a torture for me. I literally replayed them hundreds of times before I received those boots. With Nobunaga in the team it was far more easier. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 14, 2018 15:30:41 GMT
Well, stoic has proven that it is possible to complete the game using Mocte and without Nobby. I can't say I'd recommend it for the average player, but it is possible nonetheless. For sure it is possible. The only two archers I used the second time were Li and Mocte, but it was exactly because I knew what I'm supposed to do and was looking for a new challenge. Nobunaga makes our life a lot more easier and my idea was to do it without the best archer and the best artillery general. But I must confess that some defense missions (in Osaka, for example) were simply a torture for me. I literally replayed them hundreds of times before I received those boots. With Nobunaga in the team it was far more easier. Alright, I am convinced. The next general I am going for is Nobunaga. He will be catherine’s replacement. But I first have to crack the 125 cities in empire mode, as it will drastically increase my income. Sadly i am at 115 right now, but I can’t win any of the attacks or battles. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 14, 2018 15:38:07 GMT
And again I have to emphasize one thing... It is really a dubious strategy to think like this: "What if I replace this one with that one..."
We should have a complete picture in mind before we decide on particular names. For example, I decided to use at least two Cavalry generals. One name was obvious - Attila. But I knew that one Commander if not enough so my next choice was between Asoka and Edward. But Edward (and even Attila) are vulnerable so I have to decrease damage. Well Blucher is very good in doing this and he is a Cavalry general so he can profit from fighting with Attila and Edward. But Blucher alone is not enough. I must restore HPs of my generals. I knew already that Caesar is good in this respect, but what if I can add Mocte as well. Though Mocte alone is weak, so I need another Archer Commander. Nelson is good, but Li is a lot cheaper, has Leadership and is the best Cavalry killer in the game...
That in general was my line of thought. I think that at least there's an internal logic in it. Without that logic all generals are merely a bunch of big names, nothing more...
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 14, 2018 15:53:41 GMT
And again I have to emphasize one thing... It is really a dubious strategy to think like this: "What if I replace this one with that one..." We should have a complete picture in mind before we decide on particular names. For example, I decided to use at least two Cavalry generals. One name was obvious - Attila. But I knew that one Commander if not enough so my next choice was between Asoka and Edward. But Edward (and even Attila) are vulnerable so I have to decrease damage. Well Blucher is very good in doing this and he is a Cavalry general so he can profit from fighting with Attila and Edward. But Blucher alone is not enough. I must restore HPs of my generals. I knew already that Caesar is good in this respect, but what if I can add Mocte as well. Though Mocte alone is weak, so I need another Archer Commander. Nelson is good, but Li is a lot cheaper, has Leadership and is the best Cavalry killer in the game... That in general was my line of thought. I think that at least there's an internal logic in it. Without that logic all generals are merely a bunch of big names, nothing more... Nice. Good advice man. I try to consider who would help my generals out the most. So far, this is the farthest I ever came in this game, so I don’t really have much experience. So I am using many generals, such as Richard for the first time. Also another important thing I learned is that just because a general has good skills doesn’t necessarily make him a good general, for example Huo Quobing, or even Xerxes. Still, I feel like you can make an infinite amount of medals in this game, due to daily missions earning you 500+ medals a day at max, which means even someone such as Caesar can be bought and fully upgraded within a much smaller time period than you would think. I feel as though actually getting to the point of getting 500+ medals a day is more important than making good economic decisions at the start. Anyway, thank you for the advice. Last time I rage quit at empire age. |
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Post by Singlemalt on Aug 14, 2018 16:04:50 GMT
I agree with stoic.. it should be seen in perspective off whole general team.. I often used mocta.. but not as replacement for nobo.. In the archer team set up it wont add up to repace each them.. in other general setting maybe but i would not advice it.. only if u are an experienced player |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 14, 2018 16:13:30 GMT
Mocta seems like he would add a lot to the team honestly, as on my team alone, Genghis, Napoleon, and Catherine can’t heal, and Richard gets beat up easily. Maybe I should get him as a supplementary general, like a general who I use on occasion, as you only need to invest around 1000 medals into his skills to make him op.
So inconclusion, get the generals who will help your team out the most, as opposed to themselves.
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Post by Singlemalt on Aug 14, 2018 18:56:12 GMT
Mocta seems like he would add a lot to the team honestly, as on my team alone, Genghis, Napoleon, and Catherine can’t heal, and Richard gets beat up easily. Maybe I should get him as a supplementary general, like a general who I use on occasion, as you only need to invest around 1000 medals into his skills to make him op. So inconclusion, get the generals who will help your team out the most, as opposed to themselves. good luck8! just giving my opinion after playing the game.. as the same did stoic ... I used mocta often and agree he is great.. 4me though... never as a substitute for Nobu |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 14, 2018 20:28:15 GMT
Mocta seems like he would add a lot to the team honestly, as on my team alone, Genghis, Napoleon, and Catherine can’t heal, and Richard gets beat up easily. Maybe I should get him as a supplementary general, like a general who I use on occasion, as you only need to invest around 1000 medals into his skills to make him op. So inconclusion, get the generals who will help your team out the most, as opposed to themselves. good luck8! just giving my opinion after playing the game.. as the same did stoic ... I used mocta often and agree he is great.. 4me though... never as a substitute for Nobu Thank you both for your help. This game is quite addicting. |
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