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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 22, 2018 13:38:32 GMT
I was wondering, which of these would be provide the most support for Caesar and Petain. Please note that Nobunaga, Nelson, Washington, and Montezuma will be on the other front, unless they are in campaign, in which case, even still, the infantry will be in front of the archers). But if this is conquest, Caesar and Petain will have napoleon to back them up as well. I will most likely get Peter anyway because he is so cheap, and will use Barbarossa presuming till lvl 6, and will invest into his skills. For me wasting medals on a temporaryisn’t really too much of an issue, as I just need to get to 155 cities, after which I will make a decent amount of medals each week, allowing me to recover from whatever mistakes I made.
Peter has infantry leader, rumor, shelter, and braveness, which would make a devastating combination when used right, as I can safely attack a general such as Nobunaga or Washington, and Rumor him without the fear of retaliation, or a debuff skill, which would be the worst outcome). However, I heard that Peter has 1000 hp less than Barbarossa, and he loses his reduction from archers skill making him quite vulnerable to generals such as Washington. Can’t be relied upon for healing. Will most like die quickly when put into the hands of the ai. Also take into account that he will have Caesar’s cure master to heal him in desparate situations
Barbarossa has leadership, infantry leader, marshal, and fury, in addition to having 1000 more hp than Peter at end. However unlike Peter, he lacks both braveness and rumor. In my opinion, I’d rather have both braveness and rumor as opposed to an additional 1000 health, unless that is of course without the marshal skill taken into account. Also, unlike Richard, Barbarossa doesn’t have rumor, and his output is far less than Richard’s as he doesn’t have mass fire, and he even lacks logistics and 50% damage reduction from archers on Richard. However, I did hear that Barbarossa has a 50% reduction trait from somewhere on this forum, and also I will most likely use Barbarossa all the way up to industrial anyway. But like I said, medals ain’t really an issue I am concerned about.
Finally we have richard, who has rumor logistics mass fire and -50% damage from archers. However, he is no infantry leader, and is inferior to Peter and Barbarossa with regards to that trait. However, his output will be the highest on the team, only weaker than Caesar when attacking infantry. He is a nice tank overall and can be relied upon for dealing nice damage at any time. However, his disadvantaged to Peter, lacking infantry leader and braveness, is really what stops me from grabbing him without any hesitation. However, when compared to Barbarossa at level 6, the only real advantage Barbarossa has to Richard is the fact that Barbarossa has marshal. Leadership is a skill which many of my generals will have already, and I prefer Rumor to leadership, as this can save my other generals from getting debuffed from other generals such as Nobunaga or Blucher. So I personally see Richard as the preferable option over Barbarossa, which is funny, because I see Barbarossa as being the prefered option over Peter, and Peter who is the preferred option over Richard. So Peter is better than Richard, but Richard is better than Barbarossa who is better than Peter. I know its a very confusing circle.
Also, we can have other generals support caesar and petain, with no doubt. Generals such as Joan of Arc or even Alexander can be useful. Also generals of other unit types such as Bismarck and Blucher could also support caesar very well, and they will all be healed by caesar’s cure master.
Let me know what you guys think. Sorry for this essay, I am just wondering how to setup my future team. Thanks for reading.
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Post by Iron Duke on Aug 22, 2018 14:57:15 GMT
I was wondering, which of these would be provide the most support for Caesar and Petain. Please note that Nobunaga, Nelson, Washington, and Montezuma will be on the other front, unless they are in campaign, in which case, even still, the infantry will be in front of the archers). But if this is conquest, Caesar and Petain will have napoleon to back them up as well. I will most likely get Peter anyway because he is so cheap, and will use Barbarossa presuming till lvl 6, and will invest into his skills. For me wasting medals on a temporaryisn’t really too much of an issue, as I just need to get to 155 cities, after which I will make a decent amount of medals each week, allowing me to recover from whatever mistakes I made. Peter has infantry leader, rumor, shelter, and braveness, which would make a devastating combination when used right, as I can safely attack a general such as Nobunaga or Washington, and Rumor him without the fear of retaliation, or a debuff skill, which would be the worst outcome). However, I heard that Peter has 1000 hp less than Barbarossa, and he loses his reduction from archers skill making him quite vulnerable to generals such as Washington. Can’t be relied upon for healing. Will most like die quickly when put into the hands of the ai. Also take into account that he will have Caesar’s cure master to heal him in desparate situations Barbarossa has leadership, infantry leader, marshal, and fury, in addition to having 1000 more hp than Peter at end. However unlike Peter, he lacks both braveness and rumor. In my opinion, I’d rather have both braveness and rumor as opposed to an additional 1000 health, unless that is of course without the marshal skill taken into account. Also, unlike Richard, Barbarossa doesn’t have rumor, and his output is far less than Richard’s as he doesn’t have mass fire, and he even lacks logistics and 50% damage reduction from archers on Richard. However, I did hear that Barbarossa has a 50% reduction trait from somewhere on this forum, and also I will most likely use Barbarossa all the way up to industrial anyway. But like I said, medals ain’t really an issue I am concerned about. Finally we have richard, who has rumor logistics mass fire and -50% damage from archers. However, he is no infantry leader, and is inferior to Peter and Barbarossa with regards to that trait. However, his output will be the highest on the team, only weaker than Caesar when attacking infantry. He is a nice tank overall and can be relied upon for dealing nice damage at any time. However, his disadvantaged to Peter, lacking infantry leader and braveness, is really what stops me from grabbing him without any hesitation. However, when compared to Barbarossa at level 6, the only real advantage Barbarossa has to Richard is the fact that Barbarossa has marshal. Leadership is a skill which many of my generals will have already, and I prefer Rumor to leadership, as this can save my other generals from getting debuffed from other generals such as Nobunaga or Blucher. So I personally see Richard as the preferable option over Barbarossa, which is funny, because I see Barbarossa as being the prefered option over Peter, and Peter who is the preferred option over Richard. So Peter is better than Richard, but Richard is better than Barbarossa who is better than Peter. I know its a very confusing circle. Also, we can have other generals support caesar and petain, with no doubt. Generals such as Joan of Arc or even Alexander can be useful. Also generals of other unit types such as Bismarck and Blucher could also support caesar very well, and they will all be healed by caesar’s cure master. Let me know what you guys think. Sorry for this essay, I am just wondering how to setup my future team. Thanks for reading. So as I understand it your team is going to be Napoleon, Bismarck, Washington, Nobu, Nelson, Mocte, Khan, Attila, Saladin, Caesar, Petain & Richard/Peter/Barbarossa? That's a pretty big team As you're going for ArchCom & have 3 IAPs my overall advice would be to focus on a final team with a core of Napoleon, Washington, Nobu, Nelson & Li Hongzang for now and decide on the supporting cast later. It has been proven that your final lineup can contain both infantry & cav, or you can choose to have no infantry or no cav at all. Both Singemalt and I had 5 archers in our final teams so you may even decide to go down that route, you have plenty of time to decide. There were also a few generals that I used for a while and upgraded a bit then discarded later on, you just need to be wary of spending too much on them. Sometimes it just comes down to how you like to play, and what you feel your team needs right now.
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 22, 2018 15:49:46 GMT
I was wondering, which of these would be provide the most support for Caesar and Petain. Please note that Nobunaga, Nelson, Washington, and Montezuma will be on the other front, unless they are in campaign, in which case, even still, the infantry will be in front of the archers). But if this is conquest, Caesar and Petain will have napoleon to back them up as well. I will most likely get Peter anyway because he is so cheap, and will use Barbarossa presuming till lvl 6, and will invest into his skills. For me wasting medals on a temporaryisn’t really too much of an issue, as I just need to get to 155 cities, after which I will make a decent amount of medals each week, allowing me to recover from whatever mistakes I made. Peter has infantry leader, rumor, shelter, and braveness, which would make a devastating combination when used right, as I can safely attack a general such as Nobunaga or Washington, and Rumor him without the fear of retaliation, or a debuff skill, which would be the worst outcome). However, I heard that Peter has 1000 hp less than Barbarossa, and he loses his reduction from archers skill making him quite vulnerable to generals such as Washington. Can’t be relied upon for healing. Will most like die quickly when put into the hands of the ai. Also take into account that he will have Caesar’s cure master to heal him in desparate situations Barbarossa has leadership, infantry leader, marshal, and fury, in addition to having 1000 more hp than Peter at end. However unlike Peter, he lacks both braveness and rumor. In my opinion, I’d rather have both braveness and rumor as opposed to an additional 1000 health, unless that is of course without the marshal skill taken into account. Also, unlike Richard, Barbarossa doesn’t have rumor, and his output is far less than Richard’s as he doesn’t have mass fire, and he even lacks logistics and 50% damage reduction from archers on Richard. However, I did hear that Barbarossa has a 50% reduction trait from somewhere on this forum, and also I will most likely use Barbarossa all the way up to industrial anyway. But like I said, medals ain’t really an issue I am concerned about. Finally we have richard, who has rumor logistics mass fire and -50% damage from archers. However, he is no infantry leader, and is inferior to Peter and Barbarossa with regards to that trait. However, his output will be the highest on the team, only weaker than Caesar when attacking infantry. He is a nice tank overall and can be relied upon for dealing nice damage at any time. However, his disadvantaged to Peter, lacking infantry leader and braveness, is really what stops me from grabbing him without any hesitation. However, when compared to Barbarossa at level 6, the only real advantage Barbarossa has to Richard is the fact that Barbarossa has marshal. Leadership is a skill which many of my generals will have already, and I prefer Rumor to leadership, as this can save my other generals from getting debuffed from other generals such as Nobunaga or Blucher. So I personally see Richard as the preferable option over Barbarossa, which is funny, because I see Barbarossa as being the prefered option over Peter, and Peter who is the preferred option over Richard. So Peter is better than Richard, but Richard is better than Barbarossa who is better than Peter. I know its a very confusing circle. Also, we can have other generals support caesar and petain, with no doubt. Generals such as Joan of Arc or even Alexander can be useful. Also generals of other unit types such as Bismarck and Blucher could also support caesar very well, and they will all be healed by caesar’s cure master. Let me know what you guys think. Sorry for this essay, I am just wondering how to setup my future team. Thanks for reading. So as I understand it your team is going to be Napoleon, Bismarck, Washington, Nobu, Nelson, Mocte, Khan, Attila, Saladin, Caesar, Petain & Richard/Peter/Barbarossa? That's a pretty big team As you're going for ArchCom & have 3 IAPs my overall advice would be to focus on a final team with a core of Napoleon, Washington, Nobu, Nelson & Li Hongzang for now and decide on the supporting cast later. It has been proven that your final lineup can contain both infantry & cav, or you can choose to have no infantry or no cav at all. Both Singemalt and I had 5 archers in our final teams so you may even decide to go down that route, you have plenty of time to decide. There were also a few generals that I used for a while and upgraded a bit then discarded later on, you just need to be wary of spending too much on them. Sometimes it just comes down to how you like to play, and what you feel your team needs right now. I agree with the last sentence strongly. The main problem is that I am in empire rn, and Nelson doesn’t appear till gunpowder and Li Hong til industrial. And yeah, I wont get Richard or Peter for a while, I am just wondering who will hold up the most in end game. I also personally dont really like cavarly at all, as even Saladin and Charlemagne take a huge amount of damage from Li Hongzang. I was considering purchasing Caesar right now as I dont want to upgrade Khans braveness as he will be obsolete by gunpowder. As for these 3, I was considering adding them to the team later on, but yeah maybe your right, I could be thinking too far ahead. I was just wondering whether or not I should keep barbarossa once i am at industrial.
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Post by andrei on Aug 22, 2018 15:57:10 GMT
I completed EW5 using Khan till the very end including all most difficult missions. He won't be absolete. His role is mopping the way. As he has Braveness he can also be used as a support/meatshield in archer team. The main point here is to use Your gens properly. It is actually valid for all ET games.
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 22, 2018 18:31:24 GMT
I completed EW5 using Khan till the very end including all most difficult missions. He won't be absolete. His role is mopping the way. As he has Braveness he can also be used as a support/meatshield in archer team. The main point here is to use Your gens properly. It is actually valid for all ET games. Thats very interesting not gonna lie. I do like infantry a lot, because Petain isn’t a general I want to miss out on. Braveness is a good skill, but he has no debuff skill (Petain has logistics, -40% of all damage, and just too many redeemable qualities to miss out on). But as the iron duke said, I will get whoever I need rather than thinking so far ahead. The problem I have with Khan is just he takes so much damage. I am a fan of Atila so I might get him next then. Or just wait for nelson
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Post by andrei on Aug 22, 2018 21:13:35 GMT
I completed EW5 using Khan till the very end including all most difficult missions. He won't be absolete. His role is mopping the way. As he has Braveness he can also be used as a support/meatshield in archer team. The main point here is to use Your gens properly. It is actually valid for all ET games. Thats very interesting not gonna lie. I do like infantry a lot, because Petain isn’t a general I want to miss out on. Braveness is a good skill, but he has no debuff skill (Petain has logistics, -40% of all damage, and just too many redeemable qualities to miss out on). But as the iron duke said, I will get whoever I need rather than thinking so far ahead. The problem I have with Khan is just he takes so much damage. I am a fan of Atila so I might get him next then. Or just wait for nelson As I understood You are going to build archer focused team. You don't need Atilla if You have Khan. It's just medal waste. They are more or less similar gens. In EW5 You can't grind it is saving from everyday missions, so You'll just postpone Your final lineup if going to take Atilla. Regarding Petain. With Archer team I don't think You'll have time for infantry gens
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 22, 2018 21:36:40 GMT
Thats very interesting not gonna lie. I do like infantry a lot, because Petain isn’t a general I want to miss out on. Braveness is a good skill, but he has no debuff skill (Petain has logistics, -40% of all damage, and just too many redeemable qualities to miss out on). But as the iron duke said, I will get whoever I need rather than thinking so far ahead. The problem I have with Khan is just he takes so much damage. I am a fan of Atila so I might get him next then. Or just wait for nelson As I understood You are going to build archer focused team. You don't need Atilla if You have Khan. It's just medal waste. They are more or less similar gens. In EW5 You can't grind it is saving from everyday missions, so You'll just postpone Your final lineup if going to take Atilla. Regarding Petain. With Archer team I don't think You'll have time for infantry gens I agree fully. But Petain has so much hp. He has like 4000 hp with maxed out marshal, in addition to -40% damage. Thats like 6000 + health and he can’t get rumored. 3x the amount of health washington has. As for Barbarossa, I have right now currently, i want them both to be in the front lines protecting the archers, I was just looking for a potetial replacement for alexander. 800 medals is something I can afford, but I am not too sure about the 1450 medals it costs to get him to gunpowder. Its just honestly cheaper to get somebody else for that money.
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Post by stoic on Aug 23, 2018 7:06:01 GMT
As I understood You are going to build archer focused team. You don't need Atilla if You have Khan. It's just medal waste. They are more or less similar gens. In EW5 You can't grind it is saving from everyday missions, so You'll just postpone Your final lineup if going to take Atilla. Regarding Petain. With Archer team I don't think You'll have time for infantry gens I agree fully. But Petain has so much hp. He has like 4000 hp with maxed out marshal, in addition to -40% damage. Thats like 6000 + health and he can’t get rumored. 3x the amount of health washington has. As for Barbarossa, I have right now currently, i want them both to be in the front lines protecting the archers, I was just looking for a potetial replacement for alexander. 800 medals is something I can afford, but I am not too sure about the 1450 medals it costs to get him to gunpowder. Its just honestly cheaper to get somebody else for that money. There are lots of good generals in the game. It was proven that 20 out of 50 generals can be good enough for the endgame. And I'm certain that it is not a limit. But these are general considerations, so to speak. And you have a particular task - to complete the game. For this task you don't need 20 generals, but only 8-9. So elimination is inevitable. Don't buy everything that shines. The backbone of your team are 5-6 generals, and 2-3 supporting generals. Concentrate all your efforts on buying and upgrading them.
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 23, 2018 10:13:19 GMT
I agree fully. But Petain has so much hp. He has like 4000 hp with maxed out marshal, in addition to -40% damage. Thats like 6000 + health and he can’t get rumored. 3x the amount of health washington has. As for Barbarossa, I have right now currently, i want them both to be in the front lines protecting the archers, I was just looking for a potetial replacement for alexander. 800 medals is something I can afford, but I am not too sure about the 1450 medals it costs to get him to gunpowder. Its just honestly cheaper to get somebody else for that money. There are lots of good generals in the game. It was proven that 20 out of 50 generals can be good enough for the endgame. And I'm certain that it is not a limit. But these are general considerations, so to speak. And you have a particular task - to complete the game. For this task you don't need 20 generals, but only 8-9. So elimination is inevitable. Don't buy everything that shines. The backbone of your team are 5-6 generals, and 2-3 supporting generals. Concentrate all your efforts on buying and upgrading them. That makes sense. Right now I need an archer leader, kind of like nelson or li hongzang to buff my team the most, which is really annoying because thats really far down the road. And I was thinking that someone like Caesar could help me out a lot, as i use barbarossa and alexander. Once I hit discovery, my team will be: Washington, Nobunaga, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, Barbarossa, Alexander, and Saladin perhaps. Every other general I will have will most likely be terrible. Out of all of these generals, the only ones I see making it towards end game are Washington, Nobunaga, Napoleon, and maybe Barbarossa, as I am not a fan of cavarly.
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