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Post by saltin on May 3, 2015 21:35:08 GMT
Marshal Erich von Manstein (description by Anonymous): Erich von Manstein was a Prussian-born military officer, noted for his accomplishments while having served in the Wehrmacht during World War II. Beginning with his first and perhaps most notable accomplishment, in which he drew up the plans that would eventually become Fall Gelb, the essential first protoype in what would become modern maneuvre warfare, he eventually spent the rest of his career as a field general, fighting against the Soviets in victories such as Fall Barbarossa, the Siege of Sevastopool, as well as the Third Battle of Kharkov, although also suffering his share of defeats as the war dragged on and the tides turned against Germany. Manstein was eventually relieved from his duties due to his disagreements with Hitler in the spring of 1944. After the war, he was held on trial and sentenced for 18 years by the Allies for war crimes*, and after writing the bestseller "Lost Victories" in 1955, passed away in 1973 at the age of 85. *This sentence was not fully served as he was released after 4 years due to health complcations. 
Marshal Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov (description by Saltin): Zhukov updated the Soviet army on the use of armor,saved Moscow,destroyed the german army at Stalingrad forcing the surrender of Field Marshall von Paulus forces,coordinated the soviet armies at Kursk and was also in charge of the final capture of Berlin. 
Supreme commander of the allied forces Dwight D. Eisenhower (by Thatamericanguy): Dwight Eisehower was the main planner of the Normandy invasion, otherwise known as D-Day, and was also supreme allied commander of Europe during WWII. He served in the war in Europe, and played an important role in Operation Torch and the Italian campaign. He was one of the select few five star generals of the American military ever in history. After the war, Dwight, also known as Ike, became commander of NATO in 1949, and proceeded to run for president in 1952, and won due to his popularity in the war. Notable achievements were ending the Korean War and enforcing the Brown vs B.O.E decision made by the Supreme Court.  |
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Post by Anonymous on May 3, 2015 22:08:15 GMT
Surprised Eisenhower got so highly rated on Armoured units. In fact, considering the Pershing fiasco and all that, I'd rate him a 3 at best. No idea why his Naval is so damn high either. As for Manstein and Zhukov... well, stereotypical Manstein and Zhukov. Although Manstein being depicted as a god of war is nothing new (personally I consider him slightly overrated), the fact that Zhukov has only a 4 in Armoured yet 5 in both Infantry and Artillery is also questionable though. It should be the opposite, and in fact, his Infantry should be brought down to around a 3- Zhukov was a rather crude man when it came to warfare.
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Post by saltin on May 4, 2015 0:00:37 GMT
Marshal Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov:Zhukov updated the Soviet army on the use of armor,saved Moscow,destroyed the german army at Stalingrad forcing the surrender of Field Marshall von Paulus forces, not to mention his great tactical use of the T34 at Kursk he was also in charge of the final capture of Berlin. Who wants to do a brief recap of the accomplishments of Manstein and Eisenhower? anonymous In game their stats have to be near perfect to justify their crazy high price imo.
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Post by Anonymous on May 4, 2015 3:59:38 GMT
Sounds fun; here's my take on Manstein:
Marshal Erich von Manstein
Erich von Manstein was a Prussian-born military officer, noted for his accomplishments while having served in the Wehrmacht during World War II. Beginning with his first and perhaps most notable accomplishment, in which he drew up the plans that would eventually become Fall Gelb, the essential first protoype in what would become modern maneuvre warfare, he eventually spent the rest of his career as a field general, fighting against the Soviets in victories such as Fall Barbarossa, the Siege of Sevastopool, as well as the Third Battle of Kharkov, although also suffering his share of defeats as the war dragged on and the tides turned against Germany. Manstein was eventually relieved from his duties due to his disagreements with Hitler in the spring of 1944. After the war, he was held on trial and sentenced for 18 years by the Allies for war crimes*, and after writing the bestseller "Lost Victories" in 1955, passed away in 1973 at the age of 85.
*This sentence was not fully served as he was released after 4 years due to health complcations.
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Post by Anonymous on May 4, 2015 4:02:19 GMT
Are you *Auto corrected*ing kidding me. You've censored Hitler on this forum? Seriously? What the hell, mate.
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Post by saltin on May 4, 2015 8:20:42 GMT
No worries,fixed.There was some random guest abusing chat and so action needed to be taken. Everyone is free to use and name historical figures in normal discussions. We have aready talked about this,quoting myself: "Bringing up the historical names in the forum in the context of normal conversations that may relate to war gaming is really not that big of a deal,but no propaganda or obvious glorification or needlessly trying to be hurtfull to others. This is just common sense guys just like freedom of speech doest NOT extend to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater (if there isnt one).Nothing in this world is absolute. we are a small gaming community and dont need to offend and loose the few members that we have.So feel free to chat with whatever,but if someone is obsessed with a particular country/religion/doctrine/dogma/leader and similar there maybe temporary moderation/censoring as a reminder to be civil. Phew! ok I almost fell asleep writting this.  " european-war-4.boards.net/thread/59/poll-names-banned |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on May 4, 2015 10:28:52 GMT
Marshall Dwight D. Eisenhower:
Dwight Eisehower was the main planner of the Normandy invasion, otherwise known as D-Day, and was also supreme allied commander of Europe during WWII. He served in the war in Europe, and played an important role in Operation Torch and the Italian campaign. He was one of the select few five star generals of the American military ever in history. After the war, Dwight, also known as Ike, became commander of NATO in 1949, and proceeded to run for president in 1952, and won due to his popularity in the war. Notable achievements were ending the Korean War and enforcing the Brown vs B.O.E decision made by the Supreme Court.
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Post by saltin on May 4, 2015 11:15:07 GMT
Great! all done and looking good,I changed the tittle of marshal for Eisenhower since I dont think the US military had that military rank. They call that general of the army or something similar.
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Post by grayfoxcz on May 5, 2015 20:38:38 GMT
Zhukov's great use of T-34 at Kursk? WHAT?
Zhukov had almost nothing to do with battle of Prokhorovka. It was Vatutin who sent in reserves and it were Vatutin mistakes which allowed germans to advance that far in the 1st place. And T34s were only thrown into meatgrinder to stall germans. By the way, I hope generals Katukov(1st guards tank army) and Wenck(12th army) are there
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Post by saltin on May 6, 2015 1:59:14 GMT
Grayfoxcz welcome to the forum,always good to see new faces.As to zhukov I guess his role in the kursk battle is controversial here is what i got from the wiki: "Zhukov was a Stavka coordinator at the Battle of Kursk in July 1943. According to his memoirs, he played a central role in the planning of the battle and the hugely successful offensive that followed. Commander of the Central Front Konstantin Rokossovsky, said, however, that the planning and decisions for the Battle of Kursk were made without Zhukov, that he only arrived just before the battle, made no decisions and left soon afterwards, and that Zhukov exaggerated his role.[39] Another source: "For the advance into occupied eastern Europe, Zhukov used to his advantage the new T-34; a weapon that set new standards for tank design. The victory of the Russians at Kursk gave them a huge advantage over the Germans in terms of armoured warfare" linkThese sources not accurate? |
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Post by Anonymous on May 6, 2015 3:13:40 GMT
Nevermind the rest (because I can't remember properly and I'm too lazy to check right now), but your second source is completely bonkers.
The T-34 a new weapon? Like hell it is new, the Soviets had the T-34 since the beginning of the war! T-34/85 maybe, but the "new" T-34? Zhukov, undefeated? Operation Mars? The stuff about Kursk? Eugh.
>Zhukov had almost nothing to do with battle of Prokhorovka.
Disregarding the issues with Saltin's second source, Kursk was than just Prokhrovka. That's why it's called the Battle of Kursk, and Zhukov most certainly had a hand in it.
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Post by grayfoxcz on May 6, 2015 9:17:49 GMT
Well still the decisive battle of battle of Kursk was fought near Prokhorovka, where the bulk of armored forces was concentrated. Zhukov was very good CIC, but his frontline leadership was rather poor (Seelow heights, operation Mars...).
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Post by saltin on May 6, 2015 9:22:34 GMT
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Post by General William T. Sherman on May 6, 2015 9:49:08 GMT
Im just surprised you left out Kalkin Gol, but whatevs.
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Post by saltin on May 6, 2015 10:47:39 GMT
Khalkhin Gol: The forgotten battle that shaped WW2 ? That one? Lol I have forgotten about it ! Yeah I can add it too,but remember this is a small recap of each general not their entire history/bio. .
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