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Post by Anonymous on May 6, 2015 12:34:16 GMT
saltin: Well, the article mentions "For the advance into occupied eastern Europe", for which I would assume it is speaking of '44 and onwards. grayfoxcz: Well, I would point out to his other commands in which he did plenty fine, but yes, Zhukov's front line command was a bit lacking. As I said earlier, Zhukov was a rather crude man when it came to details. That being said, I don't exactly agree the point about Seelow Heights though; I feel that was is often overexaggerated.
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Post by andrei on Jun 15, 2015 19:10:59 GMT
Zhukov was really a rather crude man. Democrat would never win that war. That was an extremely difficult time for the country. Maybe most difficult in its history. It is easy to say and to evaluate today. However, there was the purpose and lack of necessary resourses, so people were used cruely. But in such a discussion I always remember the foto of people of Paris looking at the germans troops marching on the street and fotos of the people of Stalingrad "meeting" german troops.
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 28, 2015 5:04:40 GMT
I might buy one of those packs which one do you guys think is the best one to get?
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Post by saltin on Jun 28, 2015 13:47:23 GMT
I might buy one of those packs which one do you guys think is the best one to get? I like Manstein,excellent movement and good skills,would be a beast on a super tank. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 28, 2015 19:24:39 GMT
I might buy one of those packs which one do you guys think is the best one to get? I like Manstein,excellent movement and good skills,would be a beast on a super tank. Well I already have 2 generals for tanks (Meyer and custom) both having 3 stars. I have Wingate (excellent general esp. in jungle) and also Isakov (Navy). I guess it would be smarter to get Zhukov since I need an art. General (they are expensive). |
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Post by Eastern empire on Jul 9, 2015 11:03:38 GMT
Only Manstein worthy fighting general,rest can be called pretty furniture,good to raise success chance in missions.Not great,just average generals,better choices of officers in academy.
Skills not same target,not focus=not good.
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Post by andrei on Jul 9, 2015 11:36:04 GMT
Only Manstein worthy fighting general,rest can be called pretty furniture,good to raise success chance in missions.Not great,just average generals,better choices of officers in academy. Skills not same target,not focus=not good. Following the discussions about generals I see artillery generals are most suitable. And Zhukov isn't good enough? What are the better choices in the academies? And what is the medal price for those? |
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Post by saltin on Jul 9, 2015 12:19:41 GMT
I see the point,game Zhukov great but not $20 great.For that kind of payment one would expect perfection or a stellar performance/show.
This is a somewhat of a similar comparison in European war 4 between Napoleon and Moreau.One has pure focus skills the other one not.
Manstein has perfect skill combo,zhukov does not,you loose his infantry skill right away since you will use him as an artillery general.
He is also missing the elite plain skill.
That being said there are no perfect artillery generals in world conqueror 3.
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Post by andrei on Jul 9, 2015 13:17:21 GMT
I see the point,game Zhukov great but not $20 great.For that kind of payment one would expect perfection or a stellar performance/show. This is a somewhat of a similar comparison in European war 4 between Napoleon and Moreau.One has pure focus skills the other one not. Manstein has perfect skill combo,zhukov does not,you loose his infantry skill right away since you will use him as an artillery general. He is also missing the elite plain skill. That being said there are no perfect artillery generals in world conqueror 3. So it is reasonable to build a perfect general. But how long could it take? You'll have a nice one by the end of the game? What are the alternatives? |
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Post by saltin on Jul 9, 2015 18:55:18 GMT
This is the better choice: Govorov, Moscow military academy.   My opinion: Stronger skills:both have 4 skills since zhukov infantry skill wont apply but Govorov plain skill is considered one of the best in game and his explosion skill is better than zhukov defense skill as well. Zhukov though is better at movement and at calling air strikes. Govorov price tag makes him a great choice,relatively same strength at half the price of Zhukov. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 9, 2015 22:08:12 GMT
Yeah Govorov, he took out Balkan alone while I was playing CCCP
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Post by William on Jul 11, 2015 9:12:09 GMT
Von Manstein was the best, although I'd rate Rundstedt and Guderian on the same level, Zhukov only had manpower and Eisenhower never realy fought as much as Manstein or Zhukov, I hate what they did with Kluge and Paulus two of the best German commanders and they're the worst in the game...
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Post by QUEST on Jul 11, 2015 23:34:14 GMT
Marshal Erich von Manstein (description by Anonymous): Erich von Manstein was a Prussian-born military officer, noted for his accomplishments while having served in the Wehrmacht during World War II. Beginning with his first and perhaps most notable accomplishment, in which he drew up the plans that would eventually become Fall Gelb, the essential first protoype in what would become modern maneuvre warfare, he eventually spent the rest of his career as a field general, fighting against the Soviets in victories such as Fall Barbarossa, the Siege of Sevastopool, as well as the Third Battle of Kharkov, although also suffering his share of defeats as the war dragged on and the tides turned against Germany. Manstein was eventually relieved from his duties due to his disagreements with Hitler in the spring of 1944. After the war, he was held on trial and sentenced for 18 years by the Allies for war crimes*, and after writing the bestseller "Lost Victories" in 1955, passed away in 1973 at the age of 85. *This sentence was not fully served as he was released after 4 years due to health complcations. 
Marshal Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov (description by Saltin): Zhukov updated the Soviet army on the use of armor,saved Moscow,destroyed the german army at Stalingrad forcing the surrender of Field Marshall von Paulus forces,coordinated the soviet armies at Kursk and was also in charge of the final capture of Berlin. 
Supreme commander of the allied forces Dwight D. Eisenhower (by Thatamericanguy): Dwight Eisehower was the main planner of the Normandy invasion, otherwise known as D-Day, and was also supreme allied commander of Europe during WWII. He served in the war in Europe, and played an important role in Operation Torch and the Italian campaign. He was one of the select few five star generals of the American military ever in history. After the war, Dwight, also known as Ike, became commander of NATO in 1949, and proceeded to run for president in 1952, and won due to his popularity in the war. Notable achievements were ending the Korean War and enforcing the Brown vs B.O.E decision made by the Supreme Court.  Text is english in game.How?Can we do it?Can we change text language? |
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Post by The Armchair General on Jul 12, 2015 4:43:26 GMT
Zhukov price is pretty bad for his skills but they are no fast artillery generals with max 5 good skills in World conqueror 3.
None exist.
That means the only way to have an excellent fast 5 skills artillery general is to build him yourself at a silly expensive price.
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Post by mariosadreas on Jul 15, 2015 13:26:21 GMT
Manstein is very good choice but Eisenhower is good for using him as air general and even as naval too. Because i use the air too often in this game i vote for Eisenhower.
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