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Post by Torvesta on Jun 20, 2020 17:04:45 GMT
Well a fast artillery general gives up on output, as the terrain bonuses do not give as much damage as a skill like salvo or storm fortifications. Personally, I use the 5 skill generals such as Ivanov for terrain (and therefore speed) and Hotzendorf/Nicholas for actual output on key cities, forts, or armored units That is not true at all. The terrain skills give +% atk and +% atk typically does increase your damage more than salvo and the like if your weapon type is effective vs your target, such as when you attack forts or the like. It’s only when you attack units that you’re not effective against where + flat damage is better, such as against infantry and most cavalry. Though I’m not sure how hard you’re going to be hit by the def stats on forts and cities. Furthermore, speed is really darned important. A turn where you just move forwards and don’t attack at all is a turn wasted, and you deal 0 damage. So speed = damage unless you slow down your entire army. And slowing down your entire army so that your slow person can keep up has all sorts of problems. You’ll conquer less, you’ll earn less money, your allies will fall, etc. can generals without terrain skills only move 1 or 2 hexes? if so then having the extra 1 hex mobility is so useful. |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jun 20, 2020 17:13:14 GMT
That is not true at all. The terrain skills give +% atk and +% atk typically does increase your damage more than salvo and the like if your weapon type is effective vs your target, such as when you attack forts or the like. It’s only when you attack units that you’re not effective against where + flat damage is better, such as against infantry and most cavalry. Though I’m not sure how hard you’re going to be hit by the def stats on forts and cities. Furthermore, speed is really darned important. A turn where you just move forwards and don’t attack at all is a turn wasted, and you deal 0 damage. So speed = damage unless you slow down your entire army. And slowing down your entire army so that your slow person can keep up has all sorts of problems. You’ll conquer less, you’ll earn less money, your allies will fall, etc. can generals without terrain skills only move 1 or 2 hexes? if so then having the extra 1 hex mobility is so useful. You guys are arguing with me and I'm really not about it. I gave you my reasoning, and I stand by it. As I said, I make the 5 skill generals mobile and the less skilled attack oriented. Your thinking is fixed on conquest, which is fine, while I focus more on challenges and campaigns where flat damage is better in my opinion. I don't know what I did to offend you so much that you both are ganging up in this new argument, but I maintain my position on the way I play the game and who I use. |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jun 20, 2020 17:14:12 GMT
That will be my final message on the topic, as I do mot wish to derail the thread any further.
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Post by SolidLight on Jun 20, 2020 17:26:42 GMT
can generals without terrain skills only move 1 or 2 hexes? if so then having the extra 1 hex mobility is so useful. You guys are arguing with me and I'm really not about it. I gave you my reasoning, and I stand by it. As I said, I make the 5 skill generals mobile and the less skilled attack oriented. Your thinking is fixed on conquest, which is fine, while I focus more on challenges and campaigns where flat damage is better in my opinion. I don't know what I did to offend you so much that you both are ganging up in this new argument, but I maintain my position on the way I play the game and who I use. If you like to play the way you do, that’s fine. Keep doing it. There’s nothing wrong with that. You also said that you bought him more for the person than efficiency on another thread. And I can respect that. I like to play for efficiency, and when you say something like he’s good when you want damage more than speed then I can easily point out a million reasons why getting him for something line that is a bad idea. Oh and also I did point out that you don’t actually sacrifice damage when you take a terrain bonus. This is not EW4 where damage and mobility skills are separated. I apologize if I offended you, but this is kinda a part of discussing strategies. Sometimes viable strategies are not good because there’s better alternatives out there. |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 20, 2020 17:49:01 GMT
That will be my final message on the topic, as I do mot wish to derail the thread any further. i didn't try to offend you or make any comments about you, i was just discussing the game, like kevin said we are talking about efficiency. its clear which generals are the best and which are worse, for arty its well known that ivanov, beseler and hindenburg are the best for both campaign and conquest |
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Post by bertholdt838 on Jun 21, 2020 0:13:19 GMT
I bought him (I had leftover medals) and he is a crappy general, don’t use him. He is a very bad Russian cavalry general. Generals like Yudenich, Rennenkampff and Saltz are x10 better than him , unfortunately they aren’t purchasable Really? For me he's been actually quite good. I've invested the coins to max out his rank, he's currently at Viscount for me. I'm loving him. If you love him then its fine, but I recommend you to get Plumer and Stepanovic, you will be satisfied even more. (Dont forget to replace some skills though) |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 21, 2020 4:32:18 GMT
Really? For me he's been actually quite good. I've invested the coins to max out his rank, he's currently at Viscount for me. I'm loving him. If you love him then its fine, but I recommend you to get Plumer and Stepanovic, you will be satisfied even more. (Dont forget to replace some skills though) apparently sidney johnston is slighty better than stepanovic - they have same damage output but sidney has a bit more defence because he can reach king whereas stepanovic can only reach prince. sidney costs more silver medals but only needs 2 skills changed, stepanovic needs 3 skills so 15 more books |
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Post by Gone on Jun 21, 2020 20:08:55 GMT
If you love him then its fine, but I recommend you to get Plumer and Stepanovic, you will be satisfied even more. (Dont forget to replace some skills though) apparently sidney johnston is slighty better than stepanovic - they have same damage output but sidney has a bit more defence because he can reach king whereas stepanovic can only reach prince. sidney costs more silver medals but only needs 2 skills changed, stepanovic needs 3 skills so 15 more books And spending more than 15 textbooks on a General is ill-advised. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 22, 2020 9:57:37 GMT
If you love him then its fine, but I recommend you to get Plumer and Stepanovic, you will be satisfied even more. (Dont forget to replace some skills though) apparently sidney johnston is slighty better than stepanovic - they have same damage output but sidney has a bit more defence because he can reach king whereas stepanovic can only reach prince. sidney costs more silver medals but only needs 2 skills changed, stepanovic needs 3 skills so 15 more books Same damage output? Are you sure haha |
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Post by SolidLight on Jun 22, 2020 10:04:24 GMT
apparently sidney johnston is slighty better than stepanovic - they have same damage output but sidney has a bit more defence because he can reach king whereas stepanovic can only reach prince. sidney costs more silver medals but only needs 2 skills changed, stepanovic needs 3 skills so 15 more books Same damage output? Are you sure haha If they're both equipped with a Browning Pistol. Otherwise the difference is 1%. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 22, 2020 10:05:30 GMT
Same damage output? Are you sure haha If they're both equipped with a Browning Pistol. Otherwise the difference is 1%. Mmhm, may as well get Stepan for the Pierce and history mode haha |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 22, 2020 10:24:48 GMT
i'm going to replace molke for stepan eventually tbh. when i say replace i will still keep molke but he won't be used as my 4th gen for conquests.
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 22, 2020 11:05:53 GMT
i'm going to replace molke for stepan eventually tbh. when i say replace i will still keep molke but he won't be used as my 4th gen for conquests. That's what I did haha, it was so sudden that after using Stepanovic for a few conquests I gradually just forgot about Moltke, though I claimed a few months ago that I would never throw him into the sidelines. Funny how things turned out... |
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Post by Mr. Beast on Jun 22, 2020 13:48:20 GMT
If they're both equipped with a Browning Pistol. Otherwise the difference is 1%. Mmhm, may as well get Stepan for the Pierce and history mode haha Wait what exactly is pierce and why is it good? |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 22, 2020 13:57:08 GMT
Mmhm, may as well get Stepan for the Pierce and history mode haha Wait what exactly is pierce and why is it good? pierce ignores some of enemy's defence but its not worth having even tho its good. best combination of skills for cav for max damage is: precision strike, edge, jungle, surprise attack, tactic master (replace tactic master for cav commander for 1 of ur gen) |
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