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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 14, 2020 0:47:11 GMT
I would like to see gcr hannibal go up against guderian Hannibal don’t stand a chance. What if you give hannibal the laurel crown. He will guderian with far better crit damage. And on elephants that wreck armored units. He will one shot guderian! |
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Post by Gone on Mar 14, 2020 1:04:55 GMT
Hannibal don’t stand a chance. What if you give hannibal the laurel crown. He will guderian with far better crit damage. And on elephants that wreck armored units. He will one shot guderian! But seriously. Realistically speaking, Guderian would squash Hannibal like a bug, if each general used their historical technology. |
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Post by SolidLight on Mar 14, 2020 1:24:03 GMT
Hannibal don’t stand a chance. What if you give hannibal the laurel crown. He will guderian with far better crit damage. And on elephants that wreck armored units. He will one shot guderian! 2 range «cavalry» units and rumor. Also, you’re not oneshotting 800-1200 HP. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 14, 2020 1:33:38 GMT
What if you give hannibal the laurel crown. He will guderian with far better crit damage. And on elephants that wreck armored units. He will one shot guderian! 2 range «cavalry» units and rumor. Also, you’re not oneshotting 800-1200 HP. Wait wc4 guderian or wc3 guderian. Same with hannibal, the guy has 1000+ hp at tier 5. He also reduces guderian’s damage by 30% each round. And guderian’s rumor? Useless. The only thing guderian can rely on is his blitzkrieg and damage. Which hannibal possesses as well. |
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Post by Gone on Mar 14, 2020 1:43:36 GMT
2 range «cavalry» units and rumor. Also, you’re not oneshotting 800-1200 HP. Wait wc4 guderian or wc3 guderian. Same with hannibal, the guy has 1000+ hp at tier 5. He also reduces guderian’s damage by 30% each round. And guderian’s rumor? Useless. The only thing guderian can rely on is his blitzkrieg and damage. Which hannibal possesses as well. What? |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 14, 2020 2:35:06 GMT
Wait wc4 guderian or wc3 guderian. Same with hannibal, the guy has 1000+ hp at tier 5. He also reduces guderian’s damage by 30% each round. And guderian’s rumor? Useless. The only thing guderian can rely on is his blitzkrieg and damage. Which hannibal possesses as well. What? There is an effective in gcr with their elephants (a special unit) having the stomp effect. Meaning they massive damage towards heavy infantry, cavarly, archers, and towards cities. They also have an affect where after the elephant attacks or counterattacks a soldier, they will deal -30% for a one round duration. Since hannibal has tactics master, he can essentially attack over and over again taking less damage with each hit. Plus hannibal also has max morale all the team due to the laurel crown. Assualt, a skill in gcr, means he basically has panzer leader as well. So its an even match. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Mar 14, 2020 5:30:44 GMT
There is an effective in gcr with their elephants (a special unit) having the stomp effect. Meaning they massive damage towards heavy infantry, cavarly, archers, and towards cities. They also have an affect where after the elephant attacks or counterattacks a soldier, they will deal -30% for a one round duration. Since hannibal has tactics master, he can essentially attack over and over again taking less damage with each hit. Plus hannibal also has max morale all the team due to the laurel crown. Assualt, a skill in gcr, means he basically has panzer leader as well. So its an even match. ok, with your buffs of Hannibal Guderian deserves his own buffs too to even the match... full health upgrades on a panzer Maus. Rumor here is essential. Without blitzkreig Hannibal will incur at least two rumor counterattacks from Guderian to get lowered from 1500hp to at most 300 hp in two attacks. This means that from high morale he will drop to normal rumor. In that case he's already weak, and if Guderian uses bitzkreig and rumor in his two turns, Hannibal will be confused. We all know what happens from there  Even without all 4 rumor occuring, Hannibal will not be able to gather enough damage to destroy 300-400 hp Guderian with at least a singular morale loss (unless you are telling me that he deals 800-1000 damage in one shot), leaving him vulnerable to rumor attacks as well. |
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Post by kanue on Mar 14, 2020 7:53:26 GMT
With Laurel Crown, Hunnibal is 'always' on high morale, thus Guderian rumor is useless against him.
Still I root for Guderian because super tank in WC4 is pretty OP. If it's Hannibal on Carthaginian super war elephant then it would be interesting.
PS1: Damage reduction from War Elephant does not stack.
PS2: Guderian's Blitzkrieg is also useless because he can always attack Hunnibal Elephant from range.
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Mar 14, 2020 10:18:01 GMT
With Laurel Crown, Hunnibal is 'always' on high morale, thus Guderian rumor is useless against him. Still I root for Guderian because super tank in WC4 is pretty OP. If it's Hannibal on Carthaginian super tank then it would be interesting. PS1: Damage reduction from War Elephant does not stack. PS2: Guderian's Blitzkrieg is also useless because he can always attack Hunnibal Elephant from range. Even if rumor triggers nothing happens because of Laurel Crown? Then that means Guderian is at a significant disadvantage. Even Manstein or Rommel might fair better now since rumor and blitzkrieg respectively are out of the equation. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 14, 2020 12:27:16 GMT
With Laurel Crown, Hunnibal is 'always' on high morale, thus Guderian rumor is useless against him. Still I root for Guderian because super tank in WC4 is pretty OP. If it's Hannibal on Carthaginian super tank then it would be interesting. PS1: Damage reduction from War Elephant does not stack. PS2: Guderian's Blitzkrieg is also useless because he can always attack Hunnibal Elephant from range. Even if rumor triggers nothing happens because of Laurel Crown? Then that means Guderian is at a significant disadvantage. Even Manstein or Rommel might fair better now since rumor and blitzkrieg respectively are out of the equation. Yep interestingly enough. Hannibal is pretty op but he is as slow as vatutin. I guess guderian met his match. In terms of damage dealt, both sides deal a ton so its an even match. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Mar 14, 2020 15:07:24 GMT
Even if rumor triggers nothing happens because of Laurel Crown? Then that means Guderian is at a significant disadvantage. Even Manstein or Rommel might fair better now since rumor and blitzkrieg respectively are out of the equation. Yep interestingly enough. Hannibal is pretty op but he is as slow as vatutin. I guess guderian met his match. In terms of damage dealt, both sides deal a ton so its an even match. Guderian's movement is in between Manstein (max) and Vatutin, so he has a very slight advantage there were they to face off against one another |
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Post by Jeanne d'Arc on Mar 14, 2020 15:09:32 GMT
In a slap battle, they are on equal footing unless one was stronger than the other IRL.
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 14, 2020 15:12:51 GMT
Yep interestingly enough. Hannibal is pretty op but he is as slow as vatutin. I guess guderian met his match. In terms of damage dealt, both sides deal a ton so its an even match. Guderian's movement is in between Manstein (max) and Vatutin, so he has a very slight advantage there were they to face off against one another So he could run away like a coward before Hannibal pulls a Cannae |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Mar 14, 2020 15:13:39 GMT
Guderian's movement is in between Manstein (max) and Vatutin, so he has a very slight advantage there were they to face off against one another So he could run away like a coward before Hannibal pulls a Cannae And definitely regroup to trap Hannial in a pincer |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 17, 2020 18:17:57 GMT
Seems like jungle fighting and mountain fighting is good on any land general, being very good on cavarly and artillery. Just now, I had moltke deal 260 non crit damage on a combined tile.
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