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Whoops, it's about the coronavirus. Yeah, let's move to another thread, btw let's delete our politics-related conversation from the Vatutin forum

Politics is vital to Coronavirus anyway, so why bother deleting political posts here? Also, the Vatutin moment was *fittingly* about Capitalism and Communism *to a certain extent*

To this whole thing:

I live in Western Washington, the most northwestern non-Alaskan state, and I'm very politically active.

The problem here in the US is more than the surface:
1. Donald Trump is a populist president who depends on votes from those with a keen eye in economics and from those who are disenfranchised by big government in their states. His platform advertised this; needless to say, he has done the opposite and made the government bigger while failing to strong-arm industrial companies, who just decided to move elsewhere.
2. His administration is basically a political echo chamber. He's put those who support his ideas in cabinet, and he's shown that he's going to fire anyone who dissents.
3. His supporters are very strongly and arrogantly opinionated -- his opposition are also very arrogantly opinionated.

This can explain his actions:
1. The lack of industry in the US has severely hurt the people.
2. His supporters were pushing the hoax idea and so he adopted it to avoid alienating them, as not doing so is politically unsound; as well as this, this rallies people against an enemy -- the most effective dictatorial tactic, ever.
3. He's pressed to open back the economy as fast as possible as the people who want the economy reopened are the ones who determine who gets elected
4. He's got fundamentalist Christian influences all over him.
5. This whole thing could've been used to increase the power of the federal government and reduce state autonomy - this has backfired and has since inspired a new wave of municipal and state (no, I'm talking about the 50 states, not the Federal Government) nationalism/desire for increased self-governance.

Given current trends, this will lead up to a landslide election against him. Why do I think this? Here's my projections.
www.270towin.com/maps/yynAn

The environment severely disfavors incumbents (people seeking re-election) and Wisconsin, a very very important state, has recently elected progressives in their courts. Florida's got a lot of old people who'd be split between Biden and Trump instead of being in sharp favor of Trump; their conservative wing will be less effective at nullifying the moderate and progressive wings. Rust belt states saw a lack of care by the US President and I expect it to be easier for any challenger, let alone a blue-collar-like moderate candidate such as Joseph Biden who seems to not favor expanding the size of the government.

Edit: This is practically the only place where I've ever had a civil discussion about politics. That's a really good reflection on this community.

My definition of capitalism is a free market, the government needs to regulate the free market to combat monopolies and large corporations. I believe capitalism has its flaws but regulation will fix a lot of them. Capitalism is the only workable economic system even China isnt really a communist nation.

I will review your statements one by one. Although not all you wrote has direct correlation with capitalism, rather Trump's implementation of capitalism, but I am a Trumper as well (although I'm not American). I will answer those point-by-point in order:

"The problem here in the US is more than the surface:"
1) Trump depends on votes from those who keep a keen eye on economics, and he WAS elected. It means there are many people who keep an eye on economics and eventually voted for him. In fact economic growth benefits everyone, every class, and every other groups of people in the US. Trump's voters are benefitting from less business taxes from the government, because more taxes = less profit = less economic growth (not beneficial for anyone). If it really ended up the opposite like you stated (big governments, huge business taxes and regulations) his supporters (who are keen on economics) would definitely stop supporting nor vote for him. If what you said as "companies not benefitting and moved elsewhere" are communist PRC's companies, then yes, because they are mostly cancers to American economy. America has seen an economic growth faster and stronger than it ever had. Lowest unemployment rate in American history (also, lowest black unemployment rate). In fact, those who decided to move elsewhere because of HUGE tax regulations are Californians which is very 'liberal' (leftists to be precise) and moved to Texas (a very conservative state, and Trump is conservative).
2) It is very normal to put those who support his ideas and share his values in his cabinet. In fact it is what any president would do. It would be ridiculous to see [if elected] Sanders put Shapiro in his cabinet, and vice versa. It is not dictatorial to fire 'anyone who disagrees with him' as long as he use the legal procedure and constitution.
3) Whoa, you are doing a personal attack here, dude. Attack the idea, not the people who hold the idea. Let's stick to the proper debate rules, shall we?

"This can explain his actions:"
1) Which lack of industry which hurt who? Please be more specific. Because I have never heard any such kind of statement from any workers nor business owners. What I hear from them is the exact opposite, strong economy and industry, low unemployment rate, less business taxes and regulations. If what you are saying is lack of communist PRC industries which severely hurt the PRC dictators, then you are absolutely right.
2) You proposed that his supporters were pushing 'hoax ideas' (which doesn't sound right, there are bad ideas but not hoax ideas as hoax is for fake news) and he follows his supporters' will in order not to alienate them. Firstly, you must state which idea is the 'hoax idea'. Secondly, adopting his supporters' ideas is actually good, because that's how democracy works! And it is not rallying people against an enemy which you proposed as a 'dictatorial tactics'. Disagreements in a democracy state is very normal. And disagreeing to ones political view is neither hate speech nor demonization. In fact, most dictators' tactics is rallying everyone to agree on everything like you can see in German's National Socialism (Nazi), Mussolini's fascist Italy, PRC, North Korea, and the Soviet Union. They always start by uniting every citizens under the same political party, same political views and agreements, not allowing any differences in opinion in order not to be fractioned. In a healthy state there are disagreements, different views, and sometimes a debate. That's democracy and freedom of speech.
3) Yes, he pressed the economy to reopen ASAP as the people who want the economy to reopen are the ones determining his election. Yes, the American people! One vote of a poor peasant is as valuable as one vote of a top business owner. After all, economic growths benefit everyone.
4) What the hell is wrong with having Christian influences? Do you want to make Christianity an illegal religion in America? As long as it doesn't violate the constitution it is legal. Besides, Christianity is the major religion of America and the basic principles of the founding of USA and its constitutions.
5) Trump makes the government smaller and has less control on people's personal lives as he lower taxes, support personal firearms ownership, etc. In fact, decentralization is good. Extreme centralization makes federal gevernments and regions act like a colony to the capital city and the main central regions. Each states having bigger autonomy is good, again, as long as it doesn't violate the constitution.

From your statements, I can say that you are proposing a very terrible and monstrous system and implementation of government. I'll sum it up:
You don't accept the election result that Donald Trump is elected as the American people wants a strong economy. You are proposing that a president (Trump specifically) should not accept his followers' ideas and aspirations. You are also proposing that Trump's supporters can not have disagreements with another political party or view as it makes the country 'divided'. You don't accept the American people's decision to strengthen the US economy by pushing it ASAP. You hate Christian influences in the US and even hated Trump for having it. Yet you also want to centralize and increase the government's size which makes the federal government a dictator and stricken its grip to federal governments.

No personal feeling, dude. I just responded to your ideas. I hope we can still be friends in these games.

Well I guess not everyone reads literary texts widely, for Capitalism is inherently more than just an economic structure