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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 15, 2020 9:16:32 GMT
Charles is definitely not better than Junot unless you're not regrouping at all. But who will consider those two instead of Dumouriez if you aren't going for an all tier 1 lineup? Same with Nobunaga Oda , Arnold deserves more recognition. You'll need at least 670 medals to give Isabella 5* trading, and that won't help you in combat. But Arnold can do the trading and provide some support in dealing damage for 135 less. Btw Lan has 4* trading. I still feel like Davout is not that friendly to beginners because his output is not that consistent comparing to those with Accurate and Strike. Sure, if one hates S&L, he’s better off with strike and accurate, but you won’t find that package again. So either a beginner has to buy two IAPs (Moreau + Cav w/ strike), or grind first for two tier 2 without having an efficient grind site. IMO buying an IAP at start should be a shortcut to unlock Sophia, Isabella Lan with minimal grinding. For an early running conquest geography (you don’t have a warhorse yet) plus assault art is perfect. By the the time they’re unlocked you mostly need cavalry. Davout can switch while Moreau is a bit redundant then. With Strike/Accurate I’d like him even more, no discussion. But as he is there’s little competition on cav and art individually, and none in terms of dual use PLUS (potential) high output. |
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 15, 2020 11:41:37 GMT
 Lan
Type of General: Cavarly, but can be comparable to Lannes on infantry if given a snair drum and regrouped sufficiently. Requirement to Unlock: 550 Years in Asia Stars: Inf: 3 Cavarly: 3 Artillery: 0 Navy: 0 Fort: 1 Trade: 4 Movement: 3 Training Stars: 5 Lan is a cavarly general with 4 pretty solid skills. Only one of these that is mediocre in my opinion is leadership. As cavarly are not units that are affected by demoralization from other attacking cavarly units, they are in significantly less danger than other units when it comes to morale debuffs. Still, it is better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it. Lan cannot be flanked which is still pretty cool. The rest of her skills are fantastic. She has 4 trading stars, and 5 training stars, making her somewhat of a beast. Only general who can hold a candle to her is maxed Berthier, but even then he is super expensive to train and will be marginally worse (by a tiny amount). Give her a war horse and prepare to be awstruck in how good she is. All undisputed, except one thing. Why should only the fact Lan is no infantry or artillery make Leadership kind of a B-skill. It’s the only skill making Dombrowski, Radetzky, Berthier a bit inferior to her. With her massive firepower she’s made to break frontlines and jump in the middle of the crowd, killing either by repeated attack or retaliations. She can flank enemies or capture embattled building, despite beeing surrounded herself. Other strong cavalry gens can do almost the same, except ignoring many enemies around. i guess you would prefer geography, what else? An extra hex never hurts for sure. But only when you have plenty of other gens with leadership it’s obsolet for Lan. For a non IAP player she will be the only one with this skill. Even among IAPs Poniatowski is the only one below 8 emblems. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 15, 2020 11:54:17 GMT
Charles is definitely not better than Junot unless you're not regrouping at all. But who will consider those two instead of Dumouriez if you aren't going for an all tier 1 lineup? Same with Nobunaga Oda, Arnold deserves more recognition. You'll need at least 670 medals to give Isabella 5* trading, and that won't help you in combat. But Arnold can do the trading and provide some support in dealing damage for 135 less. Btw Lan has 4* trading. I still feel like Davout is not that friendly to beginners because his output is not that consistent comparing to those with Accurate and Strike. I agree about arnold. He is way better than blasius. 5 stars trading and good fortress damage is a great package early on. Plus he is a business trader so he easily earns back his medals. Charles is pretty good as a beginner general (if you can’t find anything better). I do agree, bugle is better than siege, and about equal to siege + formation. So they are around equals. Obviously when attacking cities, charles will be junot + formation. Which is a huge difference. Both are great. Dumuoriez maybe not be around for a newbie, unless you delete then redownload the game till he is at first spin. I am going off of that logic. I bought kienmayer as my first general, I wish I got junot. Davout’s output is a little inconsistent i do agree. But he is faster than anyone out of the iaps. He also can hit very very hard, outputs that radetsky can’t ever get close to. Only person in the iap tier worth comparing to davout is nelson due to having accurate plus leadership. And also 5 stars in navy. But with nelson, even though he is great, the lack of geography will make princess getting a significantly more pain. And also since you do get 2 artillery generals princess generals that are amazing, it is better to get an op cav general from the iap tier. This leads to few options, as many of the iap cavarly generals are bad. There is murat, who lacks geography, lacks strike, but is great against forts. Davout who has geography rather than spy (which i think is a superior skill). Then there is dombrowski who is golisyn with 3 extra training stars and defense art as the notable change. But defense art does not help that much when attacking and also murat and davout have similar training stars. The last notable choice is poniatowski, who has pretty great qualities. But imo davout’s output is just plain better than poniatowski which is why he is a better choice. Dombrowski will be a slight upgrade to golisyn but will be the least difficult to use of the bunch. So really, its Dombrowski vs Murat vs Davout. Davout has geography so he wins. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 15, 2020 12:02:02 GMT
Lan
Type of General: Cavarly, but can be comparable to Lannes on infantry if given a snair drum and regrouped sufficiently. Requirement to Unlock: 550 Years in Asia Stars: Inf: 3 Cavarly: 3 Artillery: 0 Navy: 0 Fort: 1 Trade: 4 Movement: 3 Training Stars: 5 Lan is a cavarly general with 4 pretty solid skills. Only one of these that is mediocre in my opinion is leadership. As cavarly are not units that are affected by demoralization from other attacking cavarly units, they are in significantly less danger than other units when it comes to morale debuffs. Still, it is better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it. Lan cannot be flanked which is still pretty cool. The rest of her skills are fantastic. She has 4 trading stars, and 5 training stars, making her somewhat of a beast. Only general who can hold a candle to her is maxed Berthier, but even then he is super expensive to train and will be marginally worse (by a tiny amount). Give her a war horse and prepare to be awstruck in how good she is. All undisputed, except one thing. Why should only the fact Lan is no infantry or artillery make Leadership kind of a B-skill. It’s the only skill making Dombrowski, Radetzky, Berthier a bit inferior to her. With her massive firepower she’s made to break frontlines and jump in the middle of the crowd, killing either by repeated attack or retaliations. She can flank enemies or capture embattled building, despite beeing surrounded herself. Other strong cavalry gens can do almost the same, except ignoring many enemies around. i guess you would prefer geography, what else? An extra hex never hurts for sure. But only when you have plenty of other gens with leadership it’s obsolet for Lan. For a non IAP player she will be the only one with this skill. Even among IAPs Poniatowski is the only one below 8 emblems. Unless you lose morale from missions, food shortages, or flanking, cavarly is never really too much in danger with morale shortage. Plus if you have mox morale and get flanked, you will still have the same morale as someone without leadership. Its a decent skill just not fantastic on cavarly. Her other qualities make up for it. Lan is definitely better than radetsky. She is even better than Berthier. Though a maxed berthier is second to her, not by too large of a gap. Other than him, there are no notable cavarly generals that you get that are significantly better. So she of course is a must have. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 15, 2020 12:03:29 GMT
So siege is bugle (universal) against cities. Meaning a damage difference of 15%. So sulkowski is basically superior to ney on cavarly, but is not a hybrid. Good to now. Its a decent but not great skill then.
And I also get the hate for barclay. He is an infantry general with bugle and nothing else.
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 15, 2020 12:39:11 GMT
Unless you lose morale from missions, food shortages, or flanking, cavarly is never really too much in danger with morale shortage. Plus if you have mox morale and get flanked, you will still have the same morale as someone without leadership. Its a decent skill just not fantastic on cavarly. Her other qualities make up for it. Lan is definitely better than radetsky. She is even better than Berthier. Though a maxed berthier is second to her, not by too large of a gap. Other than him, there are no notable cavarly generals that you get that are significantly better. So she of course is a must have. you know you won’t convince me about Berthier, as I don’t try to convince you about Dombrowski. We both won’t change our mind anyway. Even Davout is only used when I play with 3 cavalry. Here I go with Manstein. When spoiled with choice I prefer Dombrowski’s consistent output over Assault Art. Defence art isn’t highly regarded, as you never see it when AI turn is skipped. But it’s remarkable Lan and Dom always end with same health, though she always gets the stronger cavalry and both attack equally often. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 15, 2020 13:20:34 GMT
Unless you lose morale from missions, food shortages, or flanking, cavarly is never really too much in danger with morale shortage. Plus if you have mox morale and get flanked, you will still have the same morale as someone without leadership. Its a decent skill just not fantastic on cavarly. Her other qualities make up for it. Lan is definitely better than radetsky. She is even better than Berthier. Though a maxed berthier is second to her, not by too large of a gap. Other than him, there are no notable cavarly generals that you get that are significantly better. So she of course is a must have. you know you won’t convince me about Berthier, as I don’t try to convince you about Dombrowski. We both won’t change our mind anyway. Even Davout is only used when I play with 3 cavalry. Here I go with Manstein. When spoiled with choice I prefer Dombrowski’s consistent output over Assault Art. Defence art isn’t highly regarded, as you never see it when AI turn is skipped. But it’s remarkable Lan and Dom always end with same health, though she always gets the stronger cavalry and both attack equally often. I do agree. Berthier’s 1 star movement is painful to fix so I have not been able to make him yet. But I might on this run. Just like Manstein won’t convince me about Wellesley. I actually have used him, and let me tell you, I did not like it. Although he does hit hard so he has that going for him. Imo washington is easier to use. Yes dombrowski is a solid cheap buy for a cavarly general. If you have 6 emblems, its either him or murat that you should choose. I have used him before. He was pretty impressive. I really like davout as a single purchase due to how fast he is and when his assualt art triggers (i am not an s&l player), which is does more than you would think, its game over. But I do agree that dombrowski is more consistent. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 15, 2020 13:32:10 GMT
Plus what can dombrowski really do that golitsyn and lan cannot. He is quite good but not really someone you need to purchase.
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 15, 2020 14:05:08 GMT
Plus what can dombrowski really do that golitsyn and lan cannot. He is quite good but not really someone you need to purchase. All right all right. I bought him because when Lan came in the great Golitsyn suddenly looked so mediocre, same with Dobeln and Victoria. They sort of shrinked. Dombrowski is luxury, like all IAPs. Exactly same output with better survivability. I can’t judge about banner. I have a dragon flag but not for long yet. I still forget to use it and must change the positioning to see if it has a significant effect. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 15, 2020 14:25:49 GMT
Plus what can dombrowski really do that golitsyn and lan cannot. He is quite good but not really someone you need to purchase. All right all right. I bought him because when Lan came in the great Golitsyn suddenly looked so mediocre, same with Dobeln and Victoria. They sort of shrinked. Dombrowski is luxury, like all IAPs. Exactly same output with better survivability. I can’t judge about banner. I have a dragon flag but not for long yet. I still forget to use it and must change the positioning to see if it has a significant effect. Golitsyn is fine but is crippled due to 1 training star. Otherwise he is very good. In comparison, Savary lacks strike, but is otherwise very good after regrouping. Sulkowski lacks surprise which makes him inferior to savary in fort cracking, but better against other units. Ney is worse than both on cavarly, but better than both on other units. But sophia exists making ney unneeded. So golisyn is a must anyway. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 15, 2020 14:30:40 GMT
I would also give credit where its due. Charles is plain out better than Duomoriez and Junot at city sieging. So he can make life a lot easier for a not skilled player. In addition, surprise works everywhere which means its still a good skill, just worse than strike. But he does having strike + surprise when attacking cities. So imo he is better than junot. Dumuoriez is mainly a trainer which is why he is so sought after. But with ads, agha is not that much of a pain to get.
I think i will stick to the rating I gave him as being a good first tier general. If you want a strike general, please get sulkowski. But for a beginner, thats a ways down the road.
I will definitely curve arnold though. Downgrade Barclay to red. And also fix some changes here and there once exams are done.
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 15, 2020 14:33:58 GMT
I do agree. Berthier’s 1 star movement is painful to fix so I have not been able to make him yet. But I might on this run. Just like Manstein won’t convince me about Wellesley. I actually have used him, and let me tell you, I did not like it. Although he does hit hard so he has that going for him. Imo washington is easier to use. Yes dombrowski is a solid cheap buy for a cavarly general. If you have 6 emblems, its either him or murat that you should choose. I have used him before. He was pretty impressive. I really like davout as a single purchase due to how fast he is and when his assualt art triggers (i am not an s&l player), which is does more than you would think, its game over. But I do agree that dombrowski is more consistent. You got me wrong. I nearly always use Davout...as either as horse #3 or cannon #3. Sophia is unfeplacable. i considered Murat and decided he’s too similar to Davout on cav, except against Forts. But forts are not a big issue in campaigns, while in conquests even two fortcracker cant be everywhere at the same time. If really needed artillery is better suited. and for S&L: I don’t hate it, I don’t love it. It’s like item switching. I used both heavily in running conquests and when it’s necessary to survive the first rounds with a small nation. On the other hand I enjoyed to refrain from both in a relaxed replay of the later campaign. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 15, 2020 14:39:53 GMT
I do agree. Berthier’s 1 star movement is painful to fix so I have not been able to make him yet. But I might on this run. Just like Manstein won’t convince me about Wellesley. I actually have used him, and let me tell you, I did not like it. Although he does hit hard so he has that going for him. Imo washington is easier to use. Yes dombrowski is a solid cheap buy for a cavarly general. If you have 6 emblems, its either him or murat that you should choose. I have used him before. He was pretty impressive. I really like davout as a single purchase due to how fast he is and when his assualt art triggers (i am not an s&l player), which is does more than you would think, its game over. But I do agree that dombrowski is more consistent. You got me wrong. I nearly always use Davout...as either as horse #3 or cannon #3. Sophia is unfeplacable. i considered Murat and decided he’s too similar to Davout on cav, except against Forts. But forts are not a big issue in campaigns, while in conquests even two fortcracker cant be everywhere at the same time. If really needed artillery is better suited. and for S&L: I don’t hate it, I don’t love it. It’s like item switching. I used both heavily in running conquests and when it’s necessary to survive the first round with a small nation. On the other hand I enjoyed to refrain from both in a relaxed replay of the later campaign. Only time I used s & l is when defense art triggers, but then I decided that that would be ruining all the fun |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 15, 2020 22:44:49 GMT
 Davout
Price: 8 Emblems Type of General: Cavarly & Artillery Hybrid Starting Movement: 4 hex on Heavy Cavarly and Light Cavarly, 3 Hex on Horse Grenadiers and Armored Cars. 2 hex on heavy artillery and siege artillery. 3 hex on light artillery and rocket artillery Solid! For some, he will be good. For others, he will be very good. He is either a cavarly general with 3 good skills, or an artillery general with 3 good skills. No one in the middle tier can do what davout does. Fantastic! The perfect general to starting farming for princesses with. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 15, 2020 22:51:13 GMT
 Nelson
Price: 8 Emblems Type of General: Artillery and Navy Hybrid Starting Movement: 3 hex on all artillery units, 3 hex on ironclad and battleship, 4 hex on frigate. One of the best artillery generals in the entire game. Also a great navy general to starting grinding the battle of trafalgar for medals early. The only artillery general with leadership, accurate, not to mention his 3 hex movement and 4 training stars. Amazing. As leadership protects from cavarly charges, Nelson is easily the toughest to kill artillery general in the game. Nelson is essentially a better wellesley on a better unit |
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