arman
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Post by arman on Jun 21, 2020 9:30:01 GMT
What should I replace Ivanov's inspiration with?
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 21, 2020 10:24:48 GMT
storm fortifications
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 22, 2020 8:56:42 GMT
You can give him jungle fighting to make him an all-terrain skill general (insane mobility). Alternatively you may place Dogfight on him if you'd like (swell skill on artillery gens)
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 22, 2020 13:11:44 GMT
You can give him jungle fighting to make him an all-terrain skill general (insane mobility). Alternatively you may place Dogfight on him if you'd like (swell skill on artillery gens) he already has mountain fighting so mobility is not an issue. storm fort is the best arty skill to have in conquest and campaign to take cities fast. super important that all arty gens have storm fort because you need to rush and cap cities asap in conquests, especially challenge conquests |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 22, 2020 13:31:15 GMT
You can give him jungle fighting to make him an all-terrain skill general (insane mobility). Alternatively you may place Dogfight on him if you'd like (swell skill on artillery gens) he already has mountain fighting so mobility is not an issue. storm fort is the best arty skill to have in conquest and campaign to take cities fast. super important that all arty gens have storm fort because you need to rush and cap cities asap in conquests, especially challenge conquests was it you or lumen who strongly discouraged storm forts? I can't sustain this argument cuz I am guilty of favoring storm forts too HAHA |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 22, 2020 13:53:49 GMT
he already has mountain fighting so mobility is not an issue. storm fort is the best arty skill to have in conquest and campaign to take cities fast. super important that all arty gens have storm fort because you need to rush and cap cities asap in conquests, especially challenge conquests was it you or lumen who strongly discouraged storm forts? I can't sustain this argument cuz I am guilty of favoring storm forts too HAHA it's considered the best skill for arty according to the 'ultimate generals and skills guide'. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 22, 2020 14:11:49 GMT
SolidLight was it you or lumen who strongly discouraged storm forts? I can't sustain this argument cuz I am guilty of favoring storm forts too HAHA it's considered the best skill for arty according to the 'ultimate generals and skills guide'. Which again is pretty outdated, since much has changed after the update. |
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arman
Staff Sergeant
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Post by arman on Jun 22, 2020 16:58:07 GMT
You can give him jungle fighting to make him an all-terrain skill general (insane mobility). Alternatively you may place Dogfight on him if you'd like (swell skill on artillery gens) he already has mountain fighting so mobility is not an issue. storm fort is the best arty skill to have in conquest and campaign to take cities fast. super important that all arty gens have storm fort because you need to rush and cap cities asap in conquests, especially challenge conquests I have Beseler and Hindenburg with storm fortifications,so was thinking if I would give storm to Ivanonv or not. |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 22, 2020 17:14:45 GMT
he already has mountain fighting so mobility is not an issue. storm fort is the best arty skill to have in conquest and campaign to take cities fast. super important that all arty gens have storm fort because you need to rush and cap cities asap in conquests, especially challenge conquests I have Beseler and Hindenburg with storm fortifications,so was thinking if I would give storm to Ivanonv or not. doesn't matter, all of mine have storm fort, you will always be targeting cities + forts with arty anyway so the skill will be used all the time. if you want to finish this game completely, storm fort is the way to go |
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tokra
First Lieutenant
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Post by tokra on Jun 22, 2020 20:04:27 GMT
I have Beseler and Hindenburg with storm fortifications,so was thinking if I would give storm to Ivanonv or not. doesn't matter, all of mine have storm fort, you will always be targeting cities + forts with arty anyway so the skill will be used all the time. if you want to finish this game completely, storm fort is the way to go The last is wrong. Storm forti is absolutly not needed for completing the game. In my opinion it is better to deal more dmg to any target. Like enemy gens sitting on armored cars. Or navy gens. The point is that any other skill deals also dmg to cities. We had this discussion many times, this skill is not that game braking as you describe. The guide is also realy outdated. |
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Post by SolidLight on Jun 22, 2020 20:06:48 GMT
he already has mountain fighting so mobility is not an issue. storm fort is the best arty skill to have in conquest and campaign to take cities fast. super important that all arty gens have storm fort because you need to rush and cap cities asap in conquests, especially challenge conquests was it you or lumen who strongly discouraged storm forts? I can't sustain this argument cuz I am guilty of favoring storm forts too HAHA Ugh, so I just tried to make a really really through answer here including doing lots of math, but unfortunately since I'm bad at math I ended up bamboozled after a while, but I can safely say atleast that Storm forts, along with Salvo, are waay less impactful than terrain skills when sieging. I might make a thread in the future if I can get my math correct though, which I can’t gurantee I will. I think Storm forts is just okay since it's effective against a useful target but strictly worse than Salvo. I mean, we're going to be running mountain, jungle, expert, tactic master and salvo. If we're assuming maximum damage output and speed. |
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Post by SolidLight on Jun 22, 2020 20:25:41 GMT
SolidLight was it you or lumen who strongly discouraged storm forts? I can't sustain this argument cuz I am guilty of favoring storm forts too HAHA it's considered the best skill for arty according to the 'ultimate generals and skills guide'. Please don’t do this. If you really want to find out how to evaluate things, get a comprehensive understanding of the game yourself. Look at the damage formula (EW6:1804 has one, and it’s the best we have available) and work out the math. There’s usually a lot of guides with factually incorrect and bad advice on a lot of strategy games because a lot of them are deceptively complicated under their simple guise. That old guide isn’t just outdated, it was wrong on a bunch of different things even back then. |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 22, 2020 20:32:22 GMT
doesn't matter, all of mine have storm fort, you will always be targeting cities + forts with arty anyway so the skill will be used all the time. if you want to finish this game completely, storm fort is the way to go The last is wrong. Storm forti is absolutly not needed for completing the game. In my opinion it is better to deal more dmg to any target. Like enemy gens sitting on armored cars. Or navy gens. The point is that any other skill deals also dmg to cities. We had this discussion many times, this skill is not that game braking as you describe. The guide is also realy outdated. if you know which are the best skills for arty, then you should be able to complete all campaign and conquest challenges then? |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 22, 2020 20:34:16 GMT
it's considered the best skill for arty according to the 'ultimate generals and skills guide'. Please don’t do this. If you really want to find out how to evaluate things, get a comprehensive understanding of the game yourself. Look at the damage formula (EW6:1804 has one, and it’s the best we have available) and work out the math. There’s usually a lot of guides with factually incorrect and bad advice on a lot of strategy games because a lot of them are deceptively complicated under their simple guise. That old guide isn’t just outdated, it was wrong on a bunch of different things even back then. i rush city and forts, thats y i value storm fort, i use my cav to do most of the damage to enemy units, i don't rely on arty to deal damage to enemy inf or cav, i have cav for that. thats why arty are valuable, |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 22, 2020 20:37:46 GMT
SolidLight was it you or lumen who strongly discouraged storm forts? I can't sustain this argument cuz I am guilty of favoring storm forts too HAHA Ugh, so I just tried to make a really really through answer here including doing lots of math, but unfortunately since I'm bad at math I ended up bamboozled after a while, but I can safely say atleast that Storm forts, along with Salvo, are waay less impactful than terrain skills when sieging. I might make a thread in the future if I can get my math correct though, which I can’t gurantee I will. I think Storm forts is just okay since it's effective against a useful target but strictly worse than Salvo. I mean, we're going to be running mountain, jungle, expert, tactic master and salvo. If we're assuming maximum damage output and speed. having 2 terrain skills might give you a bit more mobility but its not huge, and you can't use both jungle fighting and mountain at the same time, but you can use mountain/jungle with storm fort. |
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