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Post by Hannibal Barca on Aug 8, 2020 18:06:54 GMT
Yi Sun-sin has same attack as Nelson, one of the highest. I don't have him, but I remember You posted max gens screenshots in one of the threads. I mean his attack with Gungnir... I still don't know how should I use it... I thought of Alex, Hannibal or Katherine... Hannibal is a Khan lite, Katherine has the same abilities as Yi Sun-Sin... So,I would like to see how good is Gungnir together with these percentage based abilities - 70% against archers (Yi and Cath), 100% against Infantry (Khan and Hannibal) and 100 percent against fortifications (Alex)... What about Nobunaga ? |
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Post by stoic on Aug 8, 2020 18:27:44 GMT
I mean his attack with Gungnir... I still don't know how should I use it... I thought of Alex, Hannibal or Katherine... Hannibal is a Khan lite, Katherine has the same abilities as Yi Sun-Sin... So,I would like to see how good is Gungnir together with these percentage based abilities - 70% against archers (Yi and Cath), 100% against Infantry (Khan and Hannibal) and 100 percent against fortifications (Alex)... What about Nobunaga ? I already completed the game with Nobunaga. No doubt he's one of the best, if not the best... But I wanted to find something new as we are always trying to find a hidden gem amongst less popular generals. No-one tried to play Industrial age campaigns or difficult Empire challenges with Hannibal or Katherine. This Gungnir offers them some interesting opportunities, but, of course, it is only an idea, a sketch right now... |
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Post by SolidLight on Aug 9, 2020 12:39:24 GMT
I already completed the game with Nobunaga. No doubt he's one of the best, if not the best... But I wanted to find something new as we are always trying to find a hidden gem amongst less popular generals. No-one tried to play Industrial age campaigns or difficult Empire challenges with Hannibal or Katherine. This Gungnir offers them some interesting opportunities, but, of course, it is only an idea, a sketch right now... I think Hannibal can be pretty solid. Braveness is a hugely valuable skill on cavalry and he’s the only person other than Attila who has it that is worth it for a F2P player. With enough commanders + Mystletainn I can see him having decent enough survivability due to the HP regen and good enough damage to wreck things. Heck I honestly think he could have be pretty good even before the update. It’s just that Attila was always better to invest in early and that he gets crowded out by people with more utility later. |
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Post by andrei on Aug 9, 2020 12:41:11 GMT
kanue was playing cavalry team iirc. How is Edward? Is a must memeber?
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Post by SolidLight on Aug 9, 2020 12:52:15 GMT
kanue was playing cavalry team iirc. How is Edward? Is a must memeber? I’m doing a CavCom run right now. I think you need as many commanders as possible since one kind of has to make use of mobility as much as possible, and that means stacking lots of attack. So yeah, I’d use Edward no matter what. Edwards biggest problem is his lack of Braveness imo. I’ll probably give him the mystletainn since I have no idea who’s going to be able to use Ragnarok effectively, and I want him to have the HP regen. |
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Post by andrei on Aug 9, 2020 14:14:04 GMT
kanue was playing cavalry team iirc. How is Edward? Is a must memeber? I’m doing a CavCom run right now. I think you need as many commanders as possible since one kind of has to make use of mobility as much as possible, and that means stacking lots of attack. So yeah, I’d use Edward no matter what. Edwards biggest problem is his lack of Braveness imo. I’ll probably give him the mystletainn since I have no idea who’s going to be able to use Ragnarok effectively, and I want him to have the HP regen. Weapon artifact for Edward (commander)? Why not to someone like Saladin or Suleiman? Braveness is great of course, but I have experience with Khan. I'ld prefer Leadership instead of Braveness for him. That's why I thought Edward is awesome. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 9, 2020 14:35:14 GMT
I’m doing a CavCom run right now. I think you need as many commanders as possible since one kind of has to make use of mobility as much as possible, and that means stacking lots of attack. So yeah, I’d use Edward no matter what. Edwards biggest problem is his lack of Braveness imo. I’ll probably give him the mystletainn since I have no idea who’s going to be able to use Ragnarok effectively, and I want him to have the HP regen. Weapon artifact for Edward (commander)? Why not to someone like Saladin or Suleiman? Braveness is great of course, but I have experience with Khan. I'ld prefer Leadership instead of Braveness for him. That's why I thought Edward is awesome. I played with Attila,Edward and Asoka in my second run. And Edward is definitely better than Asoka. Moreover I played with Attila and Edward most of the time (leaving Asoka behind) and then hired Blucher as my third cavalry general. Edward had some problems with survivability, that's true, but leadership helps him greatly to survive. Besides, he is excellent when he's attacking artillery generals. As you remember some of them are really annoying with weak defense but insane attack. In other words, you simply can't be wrong with bringing another general with Leadership. It is really an excellent skill to have... I think this legendary ring is a perfect item for Edward... |
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Post by stoic on Aug 9, 2020 14:44:51 GMT
I already completed the game with Nobunaga. No doubt he's one of the best, if not the best... But I wanted to find something new as we are always trying to find a hidden gem amongst less popular generals. No-one tried to play Industrial age campaigns or difficult Empire challenges with Hannibal or Katherine. This Gungnir offers them some interesting opportunities, but, of course, it is only an idea, a sketch right now... I think Hannibal can be pretty solid. Braveness is a hugely valuable skill on cavalry and he’s the only person other than Attila who has it that is worth it for a F2P player. With enough commanders + Mystletainn I can see him having decent enough survivability due to the HP regen and good enough damage to wreck things. Heck I honestly think he could have be pretty good even before the update. It’s just that Attila was always better to invest in early and that he gets crowded out by people with more utility later. As I say, these new artifacts offer some opportunities to generals we didn't count among the best. For example, Mulan is justifiably an easy skip. But with Grugnir she has her 100% damage against cavalry plus 400% from artifact. With some Commanders nearby she can kill (with full rage bar) almost every cavalry general in the game... |
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Post by Iron Duke on Aug 9, 2020 14:50:27 GMT
I’m doing a CavCom run right now. I think you need as many commanders as possible since one kind of has to make use of mobility as much as possible, and that means stacking lots of attack. So yeah, I’d use Edward no matter what. Edwards biggest problem is his lack of Braveness imo. I’ll probably give him the mystletainn since I have no idea who’s going to be able to use Ragnarok effectively, and I want him to have the HP regen. Weapon artifact for Edward (commander)? Why not to someone like Saladin or Suleiman? A CavCom team of Atilla, Edward, Blucher and Saladin/Suleiman equipped with Gungnir/Mysteltainn could be really strong. I think Mysteltainn seems more suited to a general with range attack - probably archery - as you have the potential to affect more enemies with each hit, but using either on a commander just seems wasteful to me. |
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Post by SolidLight on Aug 9, 2020 15:05:35 GMT
I’m doing a CavCom run right now. I think you need as many commanders as possible since one kind of has to make use of mobility as much as possible, and that means stacking lots of attack. So yeah, I’d use Edward no matter what. Edwards biggest problem is his lack of Braveness imo. I’ll probably give him the mystletainn since I have no idea who’s going to be able to use Ragnarok effectively, and I want him to have the HP regen. Weapon artifact for Edward (commander)? Why not to someone like Saladin or Suleiman? Braveness is great of course, but I have experience with Khan. I'ld prefer Leadership instead of Braveness for him. That's why I thought Edward is awesome. Mostly because I want the HP regen on him since he’s so critical to my team and that I don’t really know who’s going to use Ragnarok effectively. If I find out how later I’ll switch, but this is what I’m thinking at the moment. Leadership is great, but I don’t really like it as much on Edward as I do on someone like Nobunaga or Li Hongzhang. He has to attack something at 1 range for that to trigger, meaning he has to usually take a nasty counterattack from any enemy dangerous enough for me to debuff it instead of outright killing it. And he’s not that tough either, unlike Genghis. I’ll definetly upgrade it later, but I’m putting it at hold right now. Cavalry Commander is the main reason why I’m using him, but Leadership is really nice too. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 9, 2020 15:19:59 GMT
Weapon artifact for Edward (commander)? Why not to someone like Saladin or Suleiman? Braveness is great of course, but I have experience with Khan. I'ld prefer Leadership instead of Braveness for him. That's why I thought Edward is awesome. Mostly because I want the HP regen on him since he’s so critical to my team and that I don’t really know who’s going to use Ragnarok effectively. If I find out how later I’ll switch, but this is what I’m thinking at the moment. Leadership is great, but I don’t really like it as much on Edward as I do on someone like Nobunaga or Li Hongzhang. He has to attack something at 1 range for that to trigger, meaning he has to usually take a nasty counterattack from any enemy dangerous enough for me to debuff it instead of outright killing it. And he’s not that tough either, unlike Genghis. I’ll definetly upgrade it later, but I’m putting it at hold right now. Cavalry Commander is the main reason why I’m using him, but Leadership is really nice too. You are right, both Edward and Asoka will be counterattacked, but! an important difference is that next turn Edward will attack already a weakened opponent. The same is in defence. Opponents will often attack Edward, but Infantry and Cavalry units are paying for this, giving Edward time to recuperate... |
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Post by SolidLight on Aug 9, 2020 15:20:25 GMT
Weapon artifact for Edward (commander)? Why not to someone like Saladin or Suleiman? A CavCom team of Atilla, Edward, Blucher and Saladin/Suleiman equipped with Gungnir/Mysteltainn could be really strong. I think Mysteltainn seems more suited to a general with range attack - probably archery - as you have the potential to affect more enemies with each hit, but using either on a commander just seems wasteful to me. I thought the ragnarok just targeted enemies around you? I’m planning to use nobunaga as my only archer at the moment. Maybe I’ll give him it, but I want the stats on the Mystletainn on Edward. Plus Ragnarok won’t be that good for him since I’m running CavCom. |
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Post by SolidLight on Aug 9, 2020 15:27:56 GMT
Mostly because I want the HP regen on him since he’s so critical to my team and that I don’t really know who’s going to use Ragnarok effectively. If I find out how later I’ll switch, but this is what I’m thinking at the moment. Leadership is great, but I don’t really like it as much on Edward as I do on someone like Nobunaga or Li Hongzhang. He has to attack something at 1 range for that to trigger, meaning he has to usually take a nasty counterattack from any enemy dangerous enough for me to debuff it instead of outright killing it. And he’s not that tough either, unlike Genghis. I’ll definetly upgrade it later, but I’m putting it at hold right now. Cavalry Commander is the main reason why I’m using him, but Leadership is really nice too. You are right, both Edward and Asoka will be counterattacked, but! an important difference is that next turn Edward will attack already a weakened opponent. The same is in defence. Opponents will often attack Edward, but Infantry and Cavalry units are paying for this, giving Edward time to recuperate... I don’t know whether or not generic enemies will be that affected by leadership that much. Their attack usually isn’t good and I’ll likely kill stuff in 2 hits or less because I’ll have the commander skill active almost constantly. It’s still really great to have it of course, and it’ll wreck enemy cavalry/infantry generals that come to attack him, but I usually don’t really want him on the frontlines either due to his survivability issues. Maybe enemies gets serious enough that someone like Saladin with 2+ commanders can’t two shot things later though. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 9, 2020 15:46:46 GMT
You are right, both Edward and Asoka will be counterattacked, but! an important difference is that next turn Edward will attack already a weakened opponent. The same is in defence. Opponents will often attack Edward, but Infantry and Cavalry units are paying for this, giving Edward time to recuperate... I don’t know whether or not generic enemies will be that affected by leadership that much. Their attack usually isn’t good and I’ll likely kill stuff in 2 hits or less because I’ll have the commander skill active almost constantly. It’s still really great to have it of course, and it’ll wreck enemy cavalry/infantry generals that come to attack him, but I usually don’t really want him on the frontlines either due to his survivability issues. Maybe enemies gets serious enough that someone like Saladin with 2+ commanders can’t two shot things later though. Oh,those generic enemies (especially no name generals) are really tough opponents later on. Almost always they will be better than our generals, and their attacks can be simply insane at times... |
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Post by stoic on Aug 9, 2020 15:49:40 GMT
Here is an example  Plus they usually have all debuffs: spy, leadership, rumor at their disposal... |
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