|
|
Post by littlecorporal on Oct 14, 2020 14:05:52 GMT
Just finished 1806 France in Round 35, 8000+ iron, and 850 years! It seems a much easier Conquest. I played 1798 France maybe 20 times before I figured it out. 1806, only twice. It's a much shorter map! Moscow and Sevastopol add a few rounds in 1798. In 1806, Russia is empty.
Most heavy fighting is over soon. Prussia is Frances only serious adversary but I hit them with most of my generals. Having Isabella and Napoleon attack a flanked general is fun! The AI doesn't know what hit him.
I ignored Sweden until the end. I think a shorter conquest is definitely possible. The last few rounds I had my privateers doing kamikaze attacks on coastal forts to save food.
Sebastiani and the art general first went to Netherlands. After killing Sidney and Paget they attacked UK. Lots of fun.
|
|
|
|
Post by littlecorporal on Oct 14, 2020 14:08:44 GMT
Trotski, great job on the Russian plan! Do you think 850 years is possible?
|
|
|
|
Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Oct 14, 2020 15:02:07 GMT
It is possible - just not doing the useless attack of Sophia in R35 and I got it.
Points that I would change I noticed. A few rounds can be saved for sure. Maybe a better Africa plan ... writing this I realize: I build too late troops in Naples!!! - stupid! I awaited the troops from the Ottoman front!
1806 Russia seems not as easy as France, but once experienced it is also easier than HRE I believe.
You finished France 1806 -3 Rounds! For a successful HRE is -2 almost impossible - With experience my best HRE is -1.
|
|
|
|
Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Oct 14, 2020 15:33:27 GMT
Just finished 1806 France in Round 35, 8000+ iron, and 850 years! It seems a much easier Conquest. I played 1798 France maybe 20 times before I figured it out. [...] I ignored Sweden until the end. I think a shorter conquest is definitely possible. [...] Sebastiani and the art general first went to Netherlands. After killing Sidney and Paget they attacked UK. Lots of fun. Your France experience pays out: - your strategy for Britain sounds much better! So you attacked London from two sides - an enormous difference - for all capitals with their fort next by. I am sure you conquered London earlier this way than I did - and my risky cat and mice play costs a lot of concentration - A much better way to get directly rid of Sidney and Paget! On my second play I also finished in Sweden its easy to underestimate the rounds needed for setting over and complete conquer this small piece of land. |
|
|
|
Post by littlecorporal on Oct 14, 2020 15:51:20 GMT
Usually France doesn't have much of a navy, but in 1806, they start with a great one. I followed your fleet advice. Villeneuve's squadron first retreats to draw the British fleet to the coastal fort and get the Spanish involved.
He then sailed up to the Irish sea and was able to open up the factory in Birmingham for Sebastiani. It's much easier to defeat Britain by landing in the middle of England instead of the South. I also spammed a lot of privateers to flank the British invasion units.
The only British unit to land was the rocket general. Unfortunately for him, 3 single formation line infantry were waiting for him. Rockets are useless attacking alone.
|
|
|
|
Post by littlecorporal on Oct 14, 2020 16:02:47 GMT
One thing I noticed, tavern generals were mostly a waste of resources. Arrghi, Lusignan, Kollowrat, Kosckiusko and Marmont had a total of 4 or 5 kills. By the time they were available, they were already behind the front. I think there must be a better way to use them.
|
|
|
|
Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Oct 14, 2020 16:03:51 GMT
Villeneuve's retreat:  Not for you Villeneuve! |
|
|
|
Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Oct 14, 2020 16:15:00 GMT
One thing I noticed, tavern generals were mostly a waste of resources. Arrghi, Lusignan, Kollowrat, Kosckiusko and Marmont had a total of 4 or 5 kills. By the time they were available, they were already behind the front. I think there must be a better way to use them. Warsnav is for Russians conquest I believe. I got Dresden early but I had for many rounds not enough resources to spend them in the tavern. |
|
|
|
Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Oct 15, 2020 1:23:12 GMT
With your help and confirmation littlecorporal it became for me suddenly so obvious how the EW4 storyline for conquests is originally intended: EW4 is programmed for optimal gaming experience: You start with one, optional two or three conquests in 1789 and win the first princess. The next conquest(s) in 1775 will give Kate. Depending on your overall experience in Campaign and Headquarter you may get also Sakurako. Lan needs an R25 run - so likely not Lan. Next conquest map is 1806. With a good to manage run walk untill Round 38, Victoria shows up - practical unavoidable. With a finished campaign, Lan even up to round 40! Conquest path: 1. Country ,Map 1 1. Country ,Map 2 1. Country. ,Map 3 5 years the wrong conquest: HRE1798 an extreme run - like getting Lan in R20. 1798 only possible for the 'faster finish' bonus in R31 as end of speed bonus. Like in R20 the higher bonus for Asia. The HRE don't fill the Achievments - circle. 1806 does this. Thank you to remind me how complicate the HRE 1789 really is. I started to complain that I missed 850 by a round with my first russian try. Ottoman 1806 is also prooved for 850. Speedrunning to get high ruling Years in 1798 is an extreme run and not the intended comfortable way 8 years later, to achieve the last princess. I tagged Erich von Manstein and Nobunaga Oda to listen their comments to our findings - it sounds so assurd that nobody should ever have noticed this in all these years. It looks so simple, like 1π§ = 2π°. EW4 so unexperienced - incredible! Does someone have access to an EW4 board in baidu? |
|
|
|
Post by littlecorporal on Oct 15, 2020 5:48:49 GMT
It is absurd, but also understandable. None of this information is hinted at in the tutorials, so it's mostly guess work, which means many mistakes (experiments) are needed to find a law. But you said earlier "once the answer is known, it is obvious". Look at how simple this is:
1798 Iron Eagle Sophia, Fatima, Maria
1776 Coalition Kate
1806 HRE Isabella
1809 Eastern Overlord Victoria
1812 Rise of America Sakurako
1815 SNS Lan
I'm not sure about the order, but I imagine it's something like this. For my 1806 run I got 850 years Europe but only 450 for Asia. I am training so I only had 3 generals, a much lower general bonus than before. Victoria isn't as strong as Lan, she has many limitations so it doesn't make sense that she would be the most difficult to get, except If everyone followed the wrong path!(HRE 1798)
The first 4 princesses can be won without any progress, maybe the only requirement is speed. Isabella and Victoria require some progress but are mainly speed and resources. Lan and Sakurako require a high general bonus and campaign Stars, speed, and resources. They should be the last princesses to get.
My personal experience, the 4 slot, free to play, no grinding game following a plan is smoother and easier than my 11 slot game when I bought 15000 medals.
|
|
|
|
Post by littlecorporal on Oct 15, 2020 6:00:09 GMT
I have a student who plays WC4. I will ask him about Chinese language boards on baidu next class. I did some research but I don't think it was in the right spot.
|
|
|
|
Post by Nobunaga Oda on Oct 15, 2020 12:48:04 GMT
It is quite amazing that there is so many more options now, when alternatives are raised, especially those which are less stressful.
This should be good news to those who are still playing and dread HRE 1798 since there are new and easier options to try.
And given that there is more information to use and base future advice on, it makes future posts more accurate as well.
|
|
|
|
Post by littlecorporal on Oct 15, 2020 13:55:21 GMT
I haven't done a French 1809 Conquest, but just because you start with Rome (66/8) it makes me think it must be easy. It's an extra 2200 gold 280 iron over 35 turns. You have to conquer Spain and Portugal but start with 4 generals on the border. Denmark and Sweden are allied and Poland is strong. I will try it over the next few days.
|
|
|
|
Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Oct 15, 2020 16:51:21 GMT
I haven't done a French 1809 Conquest, but just because you start with Rome (66/8) it makes me think it must be easy. It's an extra 2200 gold 280 iron over 35 turns. You have to conquer Spain and Portugal but start with 4 generals on the border. Denmark and Sweden are allied and Poland is strong. I will try it over the next few days. Between R15 - R20 I believe, You feel how strong the economy will be. I underestimated (once again) how important the amount of starting cities and factories really is. I coudn't get a full stock in time, but after rhine 06, I learned that is impossible to arrive with a small start. Italy also - no chance. A testrun with the first country of each area can give an feeling for the map. All your experience from optimizing FR 98 until your glorious R32!-R38 run pays back. Napoleon European War IV
With nation ?
So obvious, and the first country 1775 is not GB! |
|
|
|
Post by littlecorporal on Oct 16, 2020 0:08:47 GMT
I haven't done a French 1809 Conquest, but just because you start with Rome (66/8) it makes me think it must be easy. It's an extra 2200 gold 280 iron over 35 turns. You have to conquer Spain and Portugal but start with 4 generals on the border. Denmark and Sweden are allied and Poland is strong. I will try it over the next few days. Last night I tried a very lazy test run of 1809. By Round 10 I already had Vienna, Berlin, Madrid, and Caligari and 500 iron in the bank. I think London is also possible, though I didn't get it. The only belligerent capitals missing we're St. Petersburg, Lisbon, and Belgrade. |
|
