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Post by eeeeef on Nov 27, 2020 12:51:07 GMT
1.Patton=
Skills
Panzer leader(Lvl1)=one of the best skills for tank generals, but its only level 1 tho
Blitzkrieg(Lvl2)=an amazing skill for tanks! a 50% chance to avoid enemy counter attack greatly improves patton's survibality
Accuracy strike(Lvl2)=a good skilll can kill enemy special forces quickly allowing tanks to have an extra 60% chance to attack again
Pros
Fast movement with 3 stars
Good survivability with blitkrieg
High output with accuracy strike and panzer leader
Cons
Rellies on attacking twice for output
Bad availability
2.Montgomery
Skills
Machinist(Lvl2)=a meh skill that increases montgomery's survivability especially in campaigns
Panzer leader=(Lvl2)= an exellent skill for tanks! and he has it at level 2!
Ace forces(Lvl2)=a meh skill that doesnt really do much
Pros
Good survivability with machinist and ace forces
Air power utility with 3 stars air
exellent availability
Cons
Lack luster output
Too defensive
3.Rokossovsky
Skills
Machinist(Lvl1)=a very mediocre skilll especially when at Lvl1
Panzer leader(Lvl2)=S tier skill moving on
Anti armor(Lvl2)=a good skill that makes rokossovsky extra potent against armored foes
Pros
Very good against tanks
Decent availability
Cons
Machinist is very meh
Only featured in one campaign(as of the time of this writing)
4.Vatutin
Skills
Desperate(Lvl1)=a decent skill but is sorta situational
Tide of iron(Lvl2)=one of the best skills for a tank commander! very easy to make use of and greatly increases output
Anti armor(Lvl1)=a pretty good skill to take down strong tanks
Pros
High consistent output
Pretty cheap
Decent availebility
Cons
Very slow
Also only featured in 1 campaign(as of the time of this writing)
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Post by truhses on Nov 27, 2020 14:46:15 GMT
A sad sight in comparison with analogs from wc4. I am especially sorry for Rokosovsky, there he was tanker number two.
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Post by eeeeef on Nov 27, 2020 14:59:09 GMT
A sad sight in comparison with analogs from wc4. I am especially sorry for Rokosovsky, there he was tanker number two. especially when you consider the axis tank comanders, when we take into account both axis and allied camps rokossovsky ends up being tanker number 5-8 |
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Post by stoic on Nov 27, 2020 16:18:36 GMT
Rokossovsky is the best non-IAP general in game when commanding the heavy tank. KV6 is such a great special force that it is almost like a cheat. And no one can use it better than Rokossovsky, who has a great bonus against armored units at the same time. Plus he is one of the fastest generals in the game.
Guderian and even Rommel (who I think is better than Guderian) are inferior to Rokossovsky when commanding heavy tanks, but better when commanding medium tanks.
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Post by eeeeef on Nov 27, 2020 16:22:19 GMT
Rokossovsky is the best non-IAP general in game when commanding the heavy tank. KV6 is such a great skill that it is almost like a cheat. And no one can use it better than Rokossovsky, who has a great bonus against armored units at the same time. Plus he is one of the fastest generals in the game. I do agree that rokossovsky is one of the best users of the rocket tank and that makes him the best candidate to be put on a allied heavy tank but how is 2 movement stars considered "one of the fastest in the game" |
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Post by stoic on Nov 27, 2020 16:23:56 GMT
Rokossovsky is the best non-IAP general in game when commanding the heavy tank. KV6 is such a great skill that it is almost like a cheat. And no one can use it better than Rokossovsky, who has a great bonus against armored units at the same time. Plus he is one of the fastest generals in the game. I do agree that rokossovsky is one of the best users of the rocket tank and that makes him the best candidate to be put on a allied heavy tank but how is 2 movement stars considered "one of the fastest in the game" Oh yes, my bad I thought he has 3. |
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Post by eeeeef on Nov 27, 2020 16:25:29 GMT
I do agree that rokossovsky is one of the best users of the rocket tank and that makes him the best candidate to be put on a allied heavy tank but how is 2 movement stars considered "one of the fastest in the game" Oh yes, my bad I thought he has 3. No worries  |
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Post by stoic on Nov 27, 2020 16:38:16 GMT
"Blitzkrieg" looks good on paper but, for heavy tanks it is quite a situational skill. Heavy tanks attack from a distance most of the time, so Blitzkrieg is useless against all light and medium tanks and infantry. Heavy tanks have the best fire power in the game and fully upgraded armored tech tree will alow us to kill with one shot most artillery units. So, Blitzkrieg is only good against enemy's generals on heavy tanks. But if you are involved in bloodbath battles with opposing generals - then you are already doing something wrong, because enemy heavy tank generals should be out-maneuvered and exhausted first before finishing them.
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Post by eeeeef on Nov 27, 2020 16:58:29 GMT
"Blitzkrieg" looks good on paper but, for heavy tanks it is quite a situational skill. Heavy tanks attack from a distance most of the time, so Blitzkrieg is useless against all light and medium tanks and infantry. Heavy tanks have the best fire power in the game and fully upgraded armored tech tree will alow us to kill with one shot most artillery units. So, Blitzkrieg is only good against enemy's generals on heavy tanks. But if you are involved in bloodbath battles with opposing generals - then you are already doing something wrong, because enemy heavy tank generals should be out out-maneuvered and exhausted first before finishing them. But heavy tanks to put your general on are generally pretty rare and usually you are given armoured cars and regular tanks |
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Post by stoic on Nov 27, 2020 17:11:55 GMT
"Blitzkrieg" looks good on paper but, for heavy tanks it is quite a situational skill. Heavy tanks attack from a distance most of the time, so Blitzkrieg is useless against all light and medium tanks and infantry. Heavy tanks have the best fire power in the game and fully upgraded armored tech tree will alow us to kill with one shot most artillery units. So, Blitzkrieg is only good against enemy's generals on heavy tanks. But if you are involved in bloodbath battles with opposing generals - then you are already doing something wrong, because enemy heavy tank generals should be out out-maneuvered and exhausted first before finishing them. But heavy tanks to put your general on are generally pretty rare and usually you are given armoured cars and regular tanks I am almost sure that we'll have at least one heavy tank at the start of the 3 last campaigns... |
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Post by eeeeef on Nov 27, 2020 17:15:29 GMT
But heavy tanks to put your general on are generally pretty rare and usually you are given armoured cars and regular tanks I am almost sure that we'll have at least one heavy tank at the start of the 3 last campaigns... well that was in 1941 eastern front and who knows what the circumtances will be in the pasific or africa |
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Post by stoic on Nov 27, 2020 19:53:50 GMT
I am almost sure that we'll have at least one heavy tank at the start of the 3 last campaigns... well that was in 1941 eastern front and who knows what the circumtances will be in the pasific or africa Even in Pacific 1942 we can deploy a heavy tank a couple of times, I am sure it will be more often in other campaigns. And when we have a heavy tank in Pacific it is a pretty one-sided battle    |
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Post by metalleater on Nov 27, 2020 20:02:44 GMT
Very easy poll. Patton simply has no competitors. A bit strange, but the Soviet generals have become much weaker in this game. Montgomery only has 1 skill!!! Only idiot can spend 920 medals for this crap! Ace forces are useless, with multiple tank attacks experience is not a problem. Machinist does not affect combat at all. Because the tank must be damaged first. This means that by the time the battle ends, you will still earn gold for replenish. Leadership instead of Machinist will be much better. It saves at least 18 gold from the first turn when you placing a general on a tank.
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Post by Alexyx on Nov 27, 2020 20:30:59 GMT
Rokossovsky is the best non-IAP general in-game when commanding the heavy tank. KV6 is such a great special force that it is almost like a cheat. And no one can use it better than Rokossovsky, who has a great bonus against armoured units at the same time. Plus he is one of the fastest generals in the game. Guderian and even Rommel (who I think is better than Guderian) are inferior to Rokossovsky when commanding heavy tanks, but better when commanding medium tanks. About Rokossovsky: He deals dmg lower than Vatutin no matter the tank (about 7-10 better dmg at the heavy tank on Rokossovsky's side against tanks if you won't count Vatutin's Tide of Iron - then 2-5 more dmg to Vatutin. I might say they're equal. But while fighting all the other units, Vatutin has an advantage of 5 points always and 17 when attacking. About the Panzer Leader: the game is checking tanks' ability and generals one by one, so while Rokossovsky kills one unit every time he attacks (which you suspect while commanding heavy tank), then he has actually got 69,6% chance of next attack (instead of sum - 84%), which is not even 10% above the regular one. On medium tanks he doesn't manage to take down one unit all the time, so his bonus gets somewhat bigger (13-18% I'd say), but it's not enough to offset the fact that Vatutin will manage to kill one unit most of the time with his +17 dmg, so the percentages are perhaps even closer together for these two (lower than 10% difference). The only big advantage Rokossovsky really has is speed - which isn't amazing either - 2 compared to 0. Vatutin is just awfully slow. :/ About Rommel-Guderian - I have Rommel and have played with Guderian on my friend's account. And on desert maps, Rommel is better than Guderian by a fair amount thanks to his skill. But I can't really say that about normal terrain, where Guderian with his Tank-killer skill and blitzkrieg has got more to offer (especially when fighting tanks - the reason why you like Rokossovsky  ) So imo: Rokossovsky isn't probably the best on his own, he just offers decent dmg with decent speed. Vatutin has got great damage with no speed. Patton is good on mt, but worse than these two on ht. Allies just lack the all-round great tank general. Also, you can't just say, that Rokossovsky is the best non-IAP, while commanding heavy tank, because it all depends on KV-6 XDDD |
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Post by stoic on Nov 28, 2020 3:31:18 GMT
Rokossovsky is the best non-IAP general in-game when commanding the heavy tank. KV6 is such a great special force that it is almost like a cheat. And no one can use it better than Rokossovsky, who has a great bonus against armoured units at the same time. Plus he is one of the fastest generals in the game. Guderian and even Rommel (who I think is better than Guderian) are inferior to Rokossovsky when commanding heavy tanks, but better when commanding medium tanks. About Rokossovsky: He deals dmg lower than Vatutin no matter the tank (about 7-10 better dmg at the heavy tank on Rokossovsky's side against tanks if you won't count Vatutin's Tide of Iron - then 2-5 more dmg to Vatutin. I might say they're equal. But while fighting all the other units, Vatutin has an advantage of 5 points always and 17 when attacking. About the Panzer Leader: the game is checking tanks' ability and generals one by one, so while Rokossovsky kills one unit every time he attacks (which you suspect while commanding heavy tank), then he has actually got 69,6% chance of next attack (instead of sum - 84%), which is not even 10% above the regular one. On medium tanks he doesn't manage to take down one unit all the time, so his bonus gets somewhat bigger (13-18% I'd say), but it's not enough to offset the fact that Vatutin will manage to kill one unit most of the time with his +17 dmg, so the percentages are perhaps even closer together for these two (lower than 10% difference). The only big advantage Rokossovsky really has is speed - which isn't amazing either - 2 compared to 0. Vatutin is just awfully slow. :/ About Rommel-Guderian - I have Rommel and have played with Guderian on my friend's account. And on desert maps, Rommel is better than Guderian by a fair amount thanks to his skill. But I can't really say that about normal terrain, where Guderian with his Tank-killer skill and blitzkrieg has got more to offer (especially when fighting tanks - the reason why you like Rokossovsky ) So imo: Rokossovsky isn't probably the best on his own, he just offers decent dmg with decent speed. Vatutin has got great damage with no speed. Patton is good on mt, but worse than these two on ht. Allies just lack the all-round great tank general. Also, you can't just say, that Rokossovsky is the best non-IAP, while commanding heavy tank, because it all depends on KV-6 XDDD Yes, it all depends on KV6, I said it many times. We don't evaluate generals in a vacuum it would be foolish to do so. All theoretical thinking is only as good as means and options we have in real missions. Besides we should know exactly how we are planning to use our generals. I don't think your math is correct either, We simply don't know how interrelationships between a chance for a repeating attack and a chance to attack again after destroying a unit work together. It is all guess work until we are sure about mechanics. What we know exactly is that Rokossovsky will attack more often than generals without PL by 24%. This combined with his 24 percent bonus armored units and KV6 makes him the best allied tank general in the game in my opinion. |
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