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Post by stoic on Nov 29, 2020 18:24:23 GMT
After playing some North African campaigns as Axis side I think that Badoglio might be even a better option than Leeb. It is well known than Leeb was chosen by many players on the grounds of general considerations. But there are some particular reasons to choose Badoglio instead.
1. Economy. In North African campaigns Germans and Italians may deploy some elite units, but generaly their resources and available reserves are limited. That means we have to replenish our starting units to meet all objectives. And as we know it can be really expensive, especially to replenish heavy and medium tanks. I believe it will be a common feature for future Axis campaigns as well, since it is also historically accurate. So deploying a general with unique ability to earn resources is very handy.
2. Speed. Badoglio is a bit faster than Leeb, but the difference may be noticeable when we use heavy artillery (the slowest unit in the game). If we want to use special forces we need that our general had enough speed to profit from it.
3. All in all Badoglio is only marginally worse than Leeb as an Artillery general. Yes, Leeb can attack again, but it is a weaker version of this skill (only 12 percent probability) and his critical rate is better (24 vs 12). Plus Leeb has one more star. But these advantages are not overwhelming, imo.
So, I personally will hire Badoglio instead of Leeb.
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Badoglio
Nov 29, 2020 18:44:46 GMT
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Post by eeeeef on Nov 29, 2020 18:44:46 GMT
After playing some North African campaigns as Axis side I think that Badoglio might be even a better option than Leeb. It is well known than Leeb was chosen by many players on the grounds of general considerations. But there are some particular reasons to choose Badoglio instead. 1. Economy. In North African campaigns Germans and Italians may deploy some elite units, but generaly their resources and available reserves are limited. That means we have to replenish our starting units to meet all objectives. And as we know it can be really expensive, especially to replenish heavy and medium tanks. I believe it will be a common feature for future Axis campaigns as well, since it is also historically accurate. So deploying a general with unique ability to earn resources is very handy. 2. Speed. Badoglio is a bit faster than Leeb, but the difference may be noticeable when we use heavy artillery (the slowest unit in the game). If we want to use special forces we need that our general had enough speed to profit from it. 3. All in all Badoglio is only marginally worse than Leeb as an Artillery general. Yes, Leeb can attack again, but it is a weaker version of this skill (only 12 percent probability) and his critical rate is better (24 vs 12). Plus Leeb has one more star. But these advantages are not overwhelming, imo. So, I personally will hire Badoglio instead of Leeb. Me who bought leeb and guderian before it's revealed that they are worse than the cheaper badoglio and Rommel. I cri |
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Post by puchao on Nov 29, 2020 19:00:42 GMT
After playing some North African campaigns as Axis side I think that Badoglio might be even a better option than Leeb. It is well known than Leeb was chosen by many players on the grounds of general considerations. But there are some particular reasons to choose Badoglio instead. 1. Economy. In North African campaigns Germans and Italians may deploy some elite units, but generaly their resources and available reserves are limited. That means we have to replenish our starting units to meet all objectives. And as we know it can be really expensive, especially to replenish heavy and medium tanks. I believe it will be a common feature for future Axis campaigns as well, since it is also historically accurate. So deploying a general with unique ability to earn resources is very handy. 2. Speed. Badoglio is a bit faster than Leeb, but the difference may be noticeable when we use heavy artillery (the slowest unit in the game). If we want to use special forces we need that our general had enough speed to profit from it. 3. All in all Badoglio is only marginally worse than Leeb as an Artillery general. Yes, Leeb can attack again, but it is a weaker version of this skill (only 12 percent probability) and his critical rate is better (24 vs 12). Plus Leeb has one more star. But these advantages are not overwhelming, imo. So, I personally will hire Badoglio instead of Leeb. Me who bought leeb and guderian before it's revealed that they are worse than the cheaper badoglio and Rommel. I cri Ironacally guderian is better than rommel in african campaign, as axis you get only normal tanks except in star missions, and rommel takes too much damage from atacking to much whitout blitzreig, and that is too expensive to heal. Edit: Also leeb isnt worse, he is better than badlogio. +5 base damage. X2 crit chance compared to badlogio. Leeb also has 12% chance of atacking again wich is amazing in arts. Badoglio is faster, but you can fix leeb whit tech, also long range heavy art doesnt need insane speed. Still badoglio is a very good art gen if you are going for cheap cost. |
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Post by truhses on Nov 29, 2020 19:18:05 GMT
In the campaign, the badoglio's economy is not as good as he has to end his turn in the building to make money. In an army group, it is a different matter, it makes a profit all the time.
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Badoglio
Nov 29, 2020 19:46:57 GMT
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Post by Alexyx on Nov 29, 2020 19:46:57 GMT
Yup, only allies get *Auto corrected*ton of heavy tanks in north africa.
Also, I passed all the northern campaign with Rommel and Leeb, so I don't think Badoglio is really that needed. I didn't run into money problem at all(unlike some 1941 Pacific missions). Leeb is better but Badoglio may be more useful at army groups for economic reasons.
But I can tell you: If you want Badoglio, just buy Badoglio.
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Nov 29, 2020 19:55:10 GMT
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Post by Alexyx on Nov 29, 2020 19:55:10 GMT
After playing some North African campaigns as Axis side I think that Badoglio might be even a better option than Leeb. It is well known than Leeb was chosen by many players on the grounds of general considerations. But there are some particular reasons to choose Badoglio instead. 1. Economy. In North African campaigns Germans and Italians may deploy some elite units, but generaly their resources and available reserves are limited. That means we have to replenish our starting units to meet all objectives. And as we know it can be really expensive, especially to replenish heavy and medium tanks. I believe it will be a common feature for future Axis campaigns as well, since it is also historically accurate. So deploying a general with unique ability to earn resources is very handy. 2. Speed. Badoglio is a bit faster than Leeb, but the difference may be noticeable when we use heavy artillery (the slowest unit in the game). If we want to use special forces we need that our general had enough speed to profit from it. 3. All in all Badoglio is only marginally worse than Leeb as an Artillery general. Yes, Leeb can attack again, but it is a weaker version of this skill (only 12 percent probability) and his critical rate is better (24 vs 12). Plus Leeb has one more star. But these advantages are not overwhelming, imo. So, I personally will hire Badoglio instead of Leeb. Me who bought leeb and guderian before it's revealed that they are worse than the cheaper badoglio and Rommel. I cri Guderian is better than Rommel, unless you have Rommel in North Africa Campaign on heavy tank. Blitzkrieg gives that much survivability Leeb is better than Badoglio by 13-22 dmg, which is a considerable bonus (about 1/3 of base artillery dmg more than Badoglio). Badoglio is useful in Army Groups for his economy skill, when being able to sustain your army is worth having less powerful general |
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Post by Saltin on Nov 29, 2020 21:01:39 GMT
Agreed, Badoglio is a possible alternative and at times his economic boost can make him a superior value in some maps.
I used him several times just for the extra income (sometimes not even in an artillery unit) and this usually works better if you already have other generals to put in the field.
On the other hand there is the limitation that Badoglio must be in a city hex at the end of the turn to get the money benefit, so that somewhat limits that economic benefit and is not a good synergy with his other speed skill advantage. In fact these two benefits are practically mutually exclusives to each other.
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Badoglio
Nov 30, 2020 4:43:26 GMT
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Post by stoic on Nov 30, 2020 4:43:26 GMT
Agreed, Badoglio is a possible alternative and at times his economic boost can make him a superior value in some maps. I used him several times just for the extra income (sometimes not even in an artillery unit) and this usually works better if you already have other generals to put in the field. On the other hand there is the limitation that Badoglio must be in a city hex at the end of the turn to get the money benefit, so that somewhat limits that economic benefit and is not a good synergy with his other speed skill advantage. In fact these two benefits are practically mutually exclusives to each other. Yet, I think it is possible to find a suitable spot for him. Like here, for example, when he can boost our economy and bombard enemies blocking the path. I think future campaigns on Axis side will be predominantly defensive, so I am absolutely sure that he will play his important part in it.  |
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Post by stoic on Nov 30, 2020 4:52:39 GMT
I completed all campaigns btw  So, my conclusion is that tactical finesse is the most important thing in GoG 3 so far. It is not enough to buy a certain general "because he is great"  We should have a clear picture how we are planning to use him and who are his team mates. |
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Post by kanue on Nov 30, 2020 9:13:04 GMT
I got a good opinion about Badoglio when I played Army Group because of his economic skill. I also consider hiring him for such purpose since I generally value generals who can do different things (which open to some new possibilities) more than those who are better at the same thing. Still, I am not quite sure whether the new possibility he offers is too situational. So I have not hired him yet but waiting for someone to review his performance. stoic, if you have him, maybe you can share your experience of using him. And for the same economic reason, I also think that Bock's Leadership skill is very valuable. |
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Nov 30, 2020 9:21:19 GMT
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Post by eeeeef on Nov 30, 2020 9:21:19 GMT
So what do you guys make of gamelin? He is basically badoglio without the power and speed but he does have economics at level 2 and he is also 1/3 of badoglio's cost
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Post by kanue on Nov 30, 2020 9:31:14 GMT
I completed all campaigns btw So, my conclusion is that tactical finesse is the most important thing in GoG 3 so far. It is not enough to buy a certain general "because he is great" We should have a clear picture how we are planning to use him and who are his team mates. The role of general in GoG3 is much less important than the other titles (e.g. WC4). Timo, the Free is only a bit weaker than Vatutin, the Great (about 11 damage). That is probably because the game allows players to mix-and-match between generals and special forces. So, the absolute best generals are not required and the gap between best and good might becomes less noticeable when the generals are on special force since the buff is static. So, like you mention, we cannot win the game just because we buy the best generals, and that also means we can still beat the game even if we do not have the best one. I think this is a very good thing. |
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Nov 30, 2020 9:39:45 GMT
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Post by eeeeef on Nov 30, 2020 9:39:45 GMT
I completed all campaigns btw So, my conclusion is that tactical finesse is the most important thing in GoG 3 so far. It is not enough to buy a certain general "because he is great" We should have a clear picture how we are planning to use him and who are his team mates. The role of general in GoG3 is much less important than the other titles (e.g. WC4). Timo, the Free is only a bit weaker than Vatutin, the Great (about 11 damage). That is probably because the game allows players to mix-and-match between generals and special forces. So, the absolute best generals are not required and the gap between best and good might becomes less noticeable when the generals are on special force since the buff is static. So, like you mention, we cannot win the game just because we buy the best generals, and that also means we can still beat the game even if we do not have the best one. I think this is a very good thing. I agree with this also an added fact in the official GOG3 facebook group there is a player that got to the african 1941 campaign with only nimitz which makes me think the entire game is possible with only the free generals |
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Badoglio
Nov 30, 2020 10:01:38 GMT
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Post by Alexyx on Nov 30, 2020 10:01:38 GMT
The role of general in GoG3 is much less important than the other titles (e.g. WC4). Timo, the Free is only a bit weaker than Vatutin, the Great (about 11 damage). That is probably because the game allows players to mix-and-match between generals and special forces. So, the absolute best generals are not required and the gap between best and good might becomes less noticeable when the generals are on special force since the buff is static. So, like you mention, we cannot win the game just because we buy the best generals, and that also means we can still beat the game even if we do not have the best one. I think this is a very good thing. I agree with this also an added fact in the official GOG3 facebook group there is a player that got to the african 1941 campaign with only nimitz which makes me think the entire game is possible with only the free generals Well, it sure is possible to pass, clearing everything perfectly is another story. Philippines without generals are kind of very hard (if not impossible) |
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Nov 30, 2020 10:05:06 GMT
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Post by eeeeef on Nov 30, 2020 10:05:06 GMT
I agree with this also an added fact in the official GOG3 facebook group there is a player that got to the african 1941 campaign with only nimitz which makes me think the entire game is possible with only the free generals Well, it sure is possible to pass, clearing everything perfectly is another story. Philippines without generals are kind of very hard (if not impossible) Yes which is why I calculated that he/she only earned 1800 medals from playing through the 3 campaigns (750 medals to buy nimitz and 1050 medals in possession) which is a pretty small amount |
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We should have a clear picture how we are planning to use him and who are his team mates.
