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Post by stoic on Jul 7, 2021 16:11:44 GMT
I wouldn't call stoic's team ArchCom link and Nelson is never trash; he fits in any lineup. With just Longbow and stats? With longbow, stats and... aura. Besides, I wouldn't call his Rumour (naval version of it) a trash either. There are many naval battles in campaigns and especially in new Asgard/Temple missions where it can be helpful indeed. And longbow makes him an excellent archers' killer, we don't have many of these. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jul 7, 2021 17:01:13 GMT
With just Longbow and stats? With longbow, stats and... aura. Besides, I wouldn't call his Rumour (naval version of it) a trash either. There are many naval battles in campaigns and especially in new Asgard/Temple missions where it can be helpful indeed. And longbow makes him an excellent archers' killer, we don't have many of these. Why do you need Archer aura in InfCom? As for Archer killers, we have: Yi Sun Sin, Caesar, Catherine, Robin Hood, Saladin, Charlemagne. Okay, his Navigation is useful, I can give you that (Heihachoro, Yi-Sun Sin). Archer Aura is not useful in InfCom. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 7, 2021 18:02:14 GMT
With longbow, stats and... aura. Besides, I wouldn't call his Rumour (naval version of it) a trash either. There are many naval battles in campaigns and especially in new Asgard/Temple missions where it can be helpful indeed. And longbow makes him an excellent archers' killer, we don't have many of these. Why do you need Archer aura in InfCom? As for Archer killers, we have: Yi Sun Sin, Caesar, Catherine, Robin Hood, Saladin, Charlemagne. Okay, his Navigation is useful, I can give you that (Heihachoro, Yi-Sun Sin). Archer Aura is not useful in InfCom. I can hardly imagine a successful InfCom without any support of archers. Even if have only two archers it is very useful to increase their output. Yi Sun Sin and Catherine still have a chance that they will be counterattacked, and they are archers too.So, in Infcom there are not too many options for attacking archers heads on. Caesar can do it, but that's not enough. So, I think in InfCom the value of Commander skills (including of your support units) is even higher than anywhere else. Without Commander skills activated our support units will hit like a wet fish in the most difficult Empire missions and new Asgard/Temple missions.  |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 13, 2021 20:41:51 GMT
First off, Awakened Leonidas has absolutely Fantastic Skill Synergy, ge is great. In addition, IMO Pachacuti should be purple in his awakened form. As for Beowulf, I put him slightly better than Leonidas.
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Post by Plaek Phibunsongkram on Dec 19, 2021 5:58:20 GMT
First off, Awakened Leonidas has absolutely Fantastic Skill Synergy, ge is great. In addition, IMO Pachacuti should be purple in his awakened form. As for Beowulf, I put him slightly better than Leonidas. I have yet to reach 180000 in arena... what are awakened Leonidas' stats and perks at level 60? |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 19, 2021 19:13:37 GMT
First off, Awakened Leonidas has absolutely Fantastic Skill Synergy, ge is great. In addition, IMO Pachacuti should be purple in his awakened form. As for Beowulf, I put him slightly better than Leonidas. I have yet to reach 180000 in arena... what are awakened Leonidas' stats and perks at level 60? He gains an additional Bugle, and His traits turn into Marching and Cover. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 19, 2021 19:53:11 GMT
First off, Awakened Leonidas has absolutely Fantastic Skill Synergy, ge is great. In addition, IMO Pachacuti should be purple in his awakened form. As for Beowulf, I put him slightly better than Leonidas. Sure, but you already have the almighty Nobby and the less great Yi. Leo is also quite weak. Pachacuti is just better Jhansi, and isn't quite on the purple level IMO. Beo is also not the best, seeing as he's a fortification healer and weak, so Logistics won't trigger as frequently as, say, Richard, even with Strafe. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 19, 2021 20:45:31 GMT
Also, Nappy is Far and Away the Best Artillery general. By a lot.
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 19, 2021 22:00:28 GMT
Also, Nappy is Far and Away the Best Artillery general. By a lot. Li has AOE damage, Logistics, and Marshal, which makes him an arty tank with gold stats. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 19, 2021 22:24:14 GMT
Also, Nappy is Far and Away the Best Artillery general. By a lot. Li has AOE damage, Logistics, and Marshal, which makes him an arty tank with gold stats. AoE doesn't do much late game, while Napoleon also has the better stats and better Logistics. He can't get return fire, and he even has Rumor. I definitely choose him over Li. |
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Post by Plaek Phibunsongkram on Dec 20, 2021 13:55:06 GMT
Li has AOE damage, Logistics, and Marshal, which makes him an arty tank with gold stats. AoE doesn't do much late game, while Napoleon also has the better stats and better Logistics. He can't get return fire, and he even has Rumor. I definitely choose him over Li. Even Heihachiro could be better than Li... higher initial cost, but Li has gold upgrade costs from medieval to industrial which is not ideal. Heihachiro also gets destroy at industrial AND commander. |
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Post by Plaek Phibunsongkram on Dec 20, 2021 13:56:41 GMT
Anddd on a completely unrelated note, awakened Mulan should not be orange... she has 50% bonus against every unit apart from artillery at industrial and her stats aren't that bad with the right equipment. To top it off, she will not get counterattacked (braveness) and has grey upgrade costs!
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 20, 2021 23:19:16 GMT
AoE doesn't do much late game, while Napoleon also has the better stats and better Logistics. He can't get return fire, and he even has Rumor. I definitely choose him over Li. Even Heihachiro could be better than Li... higher initial cost, but Li has gold upgrade costs from medieval to industrial which is not ideal. Heihachiro also gets destroy at industrial AND commander. AOE is a nice perk and LI has the stats to pull it out, and Logistics will work well with fire and AOE. So? Nappy can't return fire, and so can't many of the other arty generals, it's called range. Heihachiro only has use outside of forts on water, and has no useful skills besides maybe commander, which still sucks, because arty commander is bad. Also, Mulan may target infantry and cavalry, but she doesn't have the stats to pull if off well to pull her out of orange. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 21, 2021 0:33:47 GMT
AOE is a nice perk and LI has the stats to pull it out, and Logistics will work well with fire and AOE. So? Nappy can't return fire, and so can't many of the other arty generals, it's called range. Heihachiro only has use outside of forts on water, and has no useful skills besides maybe commander, which still sucks, because arty commander is bad. Also, Mulan may target infantry and cavalry, but she doesn't have the stats to pull if off well to pull her out of orange. AoE: Even so, I still VASTLY prefer Rumor, Destroy, superior Logistics, and Superior stats to AoE. And it will really only do 100 some damage at 6 stars. Destroy helps Napoleon to hit Forts without dying. Heih: He has better Defense, Attack, Industrial traits, debuff, and everything except for HP and Logistics. Navigation is pretty good later on in Campaigns and Conquests. Li will have better HP and Logistics. I prefer Heihachiro. In addition, if we get both Heihachiro and Bismarck, it will be way better than Li Shimin and Bismarck. And he is cheaper. I think it is a clear win for Heihachiro. In terms of Destroy vs. Fire Dragon, I would take Destroy any day, because I prefer a living Arty gen to minor AoE. I used to be a Li Shimin fanboy, but endgame burst that bubble. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 21, 2021 0:38:51 GMT
In any case, with your Logic, Koxinga should be way better than Orange because he definitely has better stats, Navigation, and Fire Dragon instead of Cleo's Rumor and Mobility, but you put her Green. I ersonally think that Koxinga is a decent budget Li Shimin, but that's just my opinion. And even he is way more expensive than Heihachiro.
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