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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 21, 2021 2:24:57 GMT
In any case, with your Logic, Koxinga should be way better than Orange because he definitely has better stats, Navigation, and Fire Dragon instead of Cleo's Rumor and Mobility, but you put her Green. I ersonally think that Koxinga is a decent budget Li Shimin, but that's just my opinion. And even he is way more expensive than Heihachiro. AOE is valuable for Li because he has Logistics. Koxinga has trash skills, while Li has excellent ones. I really only put Cleo there for early game, I believe she is trash later, seeing as Bismarck exists. Nappy is good, but DM is absolute trash for arty, while Marshal is actually quite good. Rumor is good, while Navigation isn't good for arty as forts don't spawn near the sea often, while Nav on, say, Nelson is better as archers actually can actually have uses in the sea. |
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Post by Plaek Phibunsongkram on Dec 21, 2021 2:40:40 GMT
In any case, with your Logic, Koxinga should be way better than Orange because he definitely has better stats, Navigation, and Fire Dragon instead of Cleo's Rumor and Mobility, but you put her Green. I ersonally think that Koxinga is a decent budget Li Shimin, but that's just my opinion. And even he is way more expensive than Heihachiro. I think Cleo has good justification to be green as she has inspiration to boost her stats as well- at max level she basically has a permanent damage boost... Inspiration is OP in this game unlike in the EW6s, look at awakened suri! |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 21, 2021 2:56:42 GMT
Inspire is a +15% Att and Def buff, still putting her Weaker stats wise than Koxinga. I think each team needs at least two Artillery, 6Johnny23, so Bismarck alone is not enough. As for DM v. Marshal, I always think that a flat bonus for your weakest side is better than your strongest (i.e. doubling defense vs. giving a 25% HP buff). The only difference between Li Shimin and Koxinga is that Li has Logistics and stats instead of Navigation. AoE + Logistics isn't that great a combo because you don't kill things with AoE almost ever. As for Navigation, there are often forts near the sea, and Artillery (surprise surprise) can still kill things in combat. I use Artillery + Caesar to kill enemy Archer gens. It works fantastic, Artillery's damage is not only for buildings, although they are best for that. Heihachiro's damage (including Arty Leader) is almost as high as Caesar's. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 21, 2021 3:50:04 GMT
Inspire is a +15% Att and Def buff, still putting her Weaker stats wise than Koxinga. I think each team needs at least two Artillery, 6Johnny23 , so Bismarck alone is not enough. As for DM v. Marshal, I always think that a flat bonus for your weakest side is better than your strongest (i.e. doubling defense vs. giving a 25% HP buff). The only difference between Li Shimin and Koxinga is that Li has Logistics and stats instead of Navigation. AoE + Logistics isn't that great a combo because you don't kill things with AoE almost ever. As for Navigation, there are often forts near the sea, and Artillery (surprise surprise) can still kill things in combat. I use Artillery + Caesar to kill enemy Archer gens. It works fantastic, Artillery's damage is not only for buildings, although they are best for that. Heihachiro's damage (including Arty Leader) is almost as high as Caesar's. Arty solos can do fine, and Li is the best guy for arty solos. Only with the Arena does Cleo gain use. DM is always not the best, as defense is horridly weak compared to hundred of HP. Li has much better stats, a better active, and much better Passives. AOE is a good buff regardless, and chip damage is almost never a bad thing. What forts near the sea? It's quite rare, and it only works on regular units, and arty does not fare well against regular units. Unless you are talking about 6* Bismarck vs. Cavalry, arty won't kill thing easily. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 21, 2021 14:04:10 GMT
Inspire is a +15% Att and Def buff, still putting her Weaker stats wise than Koxinga. I think each team needs at least two Artillery, 6Johnny23 , so Bismarck alone is not enough. As for DM v. Marshal, I always think that a flat bonus for your weakest side is better than your strongest (i.e. doubling defense vs. giving a 25% HP buff). The only difference between Li Shimin and Koxinga is that Li has Logistics and stats instead of Navigation. AoE + Logistics isn't that great a combo because you don't kill things with AoE almost ever. As for Navigation, there are often forts near the sea, and Artillery (surprise surprise) can still kill things in combat. I use Artillery + Caesar to kill enemy Archer gens. It works fantastic, Artillery's damage is not only for buildings, although they are best for that. Heihachiro's damage (including Arty Leader) is almost as high as Caesar's. Arty solos can do fine, and Li is the best guy for arty solos. Only with the Arena does Cleo gain use. DM is always not the best, as defense is horridly weak compared to hundred of HP. Li has much better stats, a better active, and much better Passives. AOE is a good buff regardless, and chip damage is almost never a bad thing. What forts near the sea? It's quite rare, and it only works on regular units, and arty does not fare well against regular units. Unless you are talking about 6* Bismarck vs. Cavalry, arty won't kill thing easily. I beg to differ. Arty solos are pretty bad, as they can easily be ganged up on and destroyed. Logistics is admittedly great. Cleo is usable as your second Artillery to Bismarck, although I prefer Khalid. As for Defense, Heihachiro gains approximately 19% "extra HP" as a result of his DM. Li Shimin gains approximately 17% extra HP. Defense Master does more in this scenario. Li Shimin has 62 less defense, 56 more attack, and 839 less HP. That 62 defense does about half of the HP, so all in all, Li Shimin does have better stats, but he loses it on other accounts. In what world does Li Shimin have a better Active? Arty Commander is basically Mass Fire! While Li Shimin already has AoE, so his Active basically does nothing. In terms of Passives, I take Navigation + Destroy over AoE and Logistics. Again, AoE doesn't do much at all, even if chip damage is good. In addition, Destroy is absolutely Fantastic, and the number two goal of our Artillery (apart from killing Forts) is to debuff. Due to Destroy, he kills forts, due to Navigation, he debuffs (well), and Li Shimin's Logistics and AoE... help him to... kill units? As I said, while it is bad to "kill" regular units, it excels at debuffing them with its range, and in any case, as I said, Heih with Arty Commander has as high an attack as Alexander. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 22, 2021 17:59:57 GMT
Arty solos can do fine, and Li is the best guy for arty solos. Only with the Arena does Cleo gain use. DM is always not the best, as defense is horridly weak compared to hundred of HP. Li has much better stats, a better active, and much better Passives. AOE is a good buff regardless, and chip damage is almost never a bad thing. What forts near the sea? It's quite rare, and it only works on regular units, and arty does not fare well against regular units. Unless you are talking about 6* Bismarck vs. Cavalry, arty won't kill thing easily. I beg to differ. Arty solos are pretty bad, as they can easily be ganged up on and destroyed. Logistics is admittedly great. Cleo is usable as your second Artillery to Bismarck, although I prefer Khalid. As for Defense, Heihachiro gains approximately 19% "extra HP" as a result of his DM. Li Shimin gains approximately 17% extra HP. Defense Master does more in this scenario. Li Shimin has 62 less defense, 56 more attack, and 839 less HP. That 62 defense does about half of the HP, so all in all, Li Shimin does have better stats, but he loses it on other accounts. In what world does Li Shimin have a better Active? Arty Commander is basically Mass Fire! While Li Shimin already has AoE, so his Active basically does nothing. In terms of Passives, I take Navigation + Destroy over AoE and Logistics. Again, AoE doesn't do much at all, even if chip damage is good. In addition, Destroy is absolutely Fantastic, and the number two goal of our Artillery (apart from killing Forts) is to debuff. Due to Destroy, he kills forts, due to Navigation, he debuffs (well), and Li Shimin's Logistics and AoE... help him to... kill units? As I said, while it is bad to "kill" regular units, it excels at debuffing them with its range, and in any case, as I said, Heih with Arty Commander has as high an attack as Alexander. Nobody leaves arty alone as 6* arty can't fight back. Arty solos are perfectly fine. Arty Commander is useless for other arty (because they won't exist) and MF for 3 turnsis better than cheap (albeit crappy) Gungnir. I'll give you the active. For arty, attack is the only thing that matters (you have units to protect arty), and Li beats Heihachiro in that aspect and is more tanky with Logistics. Destroy is useless IMO unless in an arty/archer duel because you have the range to not get hit back. I will take Logistics over Navigation, seeing as I can't always protect arty and archers do exist. If you have Heih with Commander, he will have high attack, but he will hit weaker than El Cid if not. Li has great output, and is rather tanky. A fort destroyer. I will concede that Heih will be better in the arena. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 22, 2021 18:41:57 GMT
I beg to differ. Arty solos are pretty bad, as they can easily be ganged up on and destroyed. Logistics is admittedly great. Cleo is usable as your second Artillery to Bismarck, although I prefer Khalid. As for Defense, Heihachiro gains approximately 19% "extra HP" as a result of his DM. Li Shimin gains approximately 17% extra HP. Defense Master does more in this scenario. Li Shimin has 62 less defense, 56 more attack, and 839 less HP. That 62 defense does about half of the HP, so all in all, Li Shimin does have better stats, but he loses it on other accounts. In what world does Li Shimin have a better Active? Arty Commander is basically Mass Fire! While Li Shimin already has AoE, so his Active basically does nothing. In terms of Passives, I take Navigation + Destroy over AoE and Logistics. Again, AoE doesn't do much at all, even if chip damage is good. In addition, Destroy is absolutely Fantastic, and the number two goal of our Artillery (apart from killing Forts) is to debuff. Due to Destroy, he kills forts, due to Navigation, he debuffs (well), and Li Shimin's Logistics and AoE... help him to... kill units? As I said, while it is bad to "kill" regular units, it excels at debuffing them with its range, and in any case, as I said, Heih with Arty Commander has as high an attack as Alexander. Nobody leaves arty alone as 6* arty can't fight back. Arty solos are perfectly fine. Arty Commander is useless for other arty (because they won't exist) and MF for 3 turnsis better than cheap (albeit crappy) Gungnir. I'll give you the active. For arty, attack is the only thing that matters (you have units to protect arty), and Li beats Heihachiro in that aspect and is more tanky with Logistics. Destroy is useless IMO unless in an arty/archer duel because you have the range to not get hit back. I will take Logistics over Navigation, seeing as I can't always protect arty and archers do exist. If you have Heih with Commander, he will have high attack, but he will hit weaker than El Cid if not. Li has great output, and is rather tanky. A fort destroyer. I will concede that Heih will be better in the arena. Exactly, which is why I think that Arty solos are awful. Also, do you not field 2 Artillery? I always field at least two. Heihachiro has the attack over Li Shimin with his Commander. 3/5 turns of 150% attack is definitely way better than Li Shimin's damage. Destroy is amazing in the endgame because Towers start to hit back ridiculously hard. Eh, with destroy I would say Artillery don't really need Logistics except in Conquests what with range and massive HP, while a debuff is always nice. And Li without Logistics will be as useful as Koxinga. Your point is? You can't just ignore a major skill. All Artillery are very tanky and Fort destroyers, and none of them have high output. Granted, leaving all squares on Fire is absolutely OP (5 percent of max HP), but still, Li Shimin has less damage than El Cid as well. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 22, 2021 18:54:43 GMT
Nobody leaves arty alone as 6* arty can't fight back. Arty solos are perfectly fine. Arty Commander is useless for other arty (because they won't exist) and MF for 3 turnsis better than cheap (albeit crappy) Gungnir. I'll give you the active. For arty, attack is the only thing that matters (you have units to protect arty), and Li beats Heihachiro in that aspect and is more tanky with Logistics. Destroy is useless IMO unless in an arty/archer duel because you have the range to not get hit back. I will take Logistics over Navigation, seeing as I can't always protect arty and archers do exist. If you have Heih with Commander, he will have high attack, but he will hit weaker than El Cid if not. Li has great output, and is rather tanky. A fort destroyer. I will concede that Heih will be better in the arena. Exactly, which is why I think that Arty solos are awful. Also, do you not field 2 Artillery? I always field at least two. Heihachiro has the attack over Li Shimin with his Commander. 3/5 turns of 150% attack is definitely way better than Li Shimin's damage. Destroy is amazing in the endgame because Towers start to hit back ridiculously hard. Eh, with destroy I would say Artillery don't really need Logistics except in Conquests what with range and massive HP, while a debuff is always nice. And Li without Logistics will be as useful as Koxinga. Your point is? You can't just ignore a major skill. All Artillery are very tanky and Fort destroyers, and none of them have high output. Granted, leaving all squares on Fire is absolutely OP (5 percent of max HP), but still, Li Shimin has less damage than El Cid as well. I only use 1, forts don't happen to be a big problem for me. You can always debuff the towers and that's what Logistics is there for. "Li without Logistics will be as useful as Koxinga." How? Kox's active is worse, and so are his passives. His stats also happen to be pretty bad. Oof. And I thought Li was good (joke)? I'll just use El Cid to take down forts now (also a joke)! |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 22, 2021 19:04:16 GMT
Exactly, which is why I think that Arty solos are awful. Also, do you not field 2 Artillery? I always field at least two. Heihachiro has the attack over Li Shimin with his Commander. 3/5 turns of 150% attack is definitely way better than Li Shimin's damage. Destroy is amazing in the endgame because Towers start to hit back ridiculously hard. Eh, with destroy I would say Artillery don't really need Logistics except in Conquests what with range and massive HP, while a debuff is always nice. And Li without Logistics will be as useful as Koxinga. Your point is? You can't just ignore a major skill. All Artillery are very tanky and Fort destroyers, and none of them have high output. Granted, leaving all squares on Fire is absolutely OP (5 percent of max HP), but still, Li Shimin has less damage than El Cid as well. I only use 1, forts don't happen to be a big problem for me. You can always debuff the towers and that's what Logistics is there for. "Li without Logistics will be as useful as Koxinga." How? Kox's active is worse, and so are his passives. His stats also happen to be pretty bad. Oof. And I thought Li was good (joke)? I'll just use El Cid to take down forts now (also a joke)! Ah, forts are always really the biggest issue for me if I only run one Artillery. I used the example of Kox to show that it was a bad comparison of El Cid to Heih without ArtyCom. Again, merely using that to reverse the idea that you showed to me. |
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Post by aplayer on Apr 13, 2022 5:25:35 GMT
I only have 1 qualm with the ranking system…. I strongly beleive that hua mulan awakened deserves at least a green, if not a blue… she gets insane output, even though it may not reflect upon her base stats. She gets 50% BONUS DAMAGE AGAINST ARCHERS, CALV, and INF. She can also attack without retaliation. I mean general may not be the best skill, but i can take it. Basically she is literally a tanky archer, calv, and inf killer. I generally use her to kill archers, and she is certainly a beast.
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Post by Plaek Phibunsongkram on Apr 16, 2022 3:39:05 GMT
I only have 1 qualm with the ranking system…. I strongly beleive that hua mulan awakened deserves at least a green, if not a blue… she gets insane output, even though it may not reflect upon her base stats. She gets 50% BONUS DAMAGE AGAINST ARCHERS, CALV, and INF. She can also attack without retaliation. I mean general may not be the best skill, but i can take it. Basically she is literally a tanky archer, calv, and inf killer. I generally use her to kill archers, and she is certainly a beast. I agree- I'm in the endgame and I still use her. Her 7* form is op as well. |
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Post by visiel on Jul 20, 2022 13:54:23 GMT
YDE: You can use the list here to help with your thread of when the general is available. It was last updated between December-March 2021.
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Post by YDE on Jul 20, 2022 21:12:31 GMT
YDE : You can use the list here to help with your thread of when the general is available. It was last updated between December-March 2021. My 6* Generals' thread? I would think it'd be obsolete with Iron Duke's vids on YouTube? |
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Post by visiel on Jul 20, 2022 22:04:32 GMT
Ah, my bad. I didn't read the last post nor the date of the thread. I see the thread pop up that I haven't seen before so assume it was a new thread. Just realize it was back in September 2021 o.0. Definitely don't need this one anymore if you decide to discontinue the other one. But if 1 day you decide to revamp the other one for super troop, this one can be your reference as of when you can recruit gen a/b/c  |
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Post by jonblend on Jul 21, 2022 1:42:54 GMT
YDE, your all generals traits, perks etc has/had still a lot of helpful information and I kept it bookmarked for a long time. Often, when starting a new ET game I end up reading through all the forum threads and pages to filter out useful links And when creating the generals data stuff, the where and when to get this general question is answered in the first column.
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