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Post by journeykeen on Dec 12, 2020 0:37:08 GMT
I get the whole Graziani thing, but replacing Rokko with Monty makes no sense. Why not? Plain fighting is more reliable than panzer leader, so is crossfire compared to tide of iron. Monty also has 5 air stars potential. If you have Monty can you provide data regarding his output. |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Dec 17, 2020 8:43:06 GMT
Why not? Plain fighting is more reliable than panzer leader, so is crossfire compared to tide of iron. Monty also has 5 air stars potential. If you have Monty can you provide data regarding his output. He's basically Rommel with plain fighting, because the rest are the same: armored assault, rumor, and crossfire. Crossfire stacks with armored assault. |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Dec 17, 2020 8:46:47 GMT
Crossfire yes. Plain no. Leader and assault are critical to tank generals’ damage. Monty is a defensive general so one could add street fighting and rumor or panzer for extra firepower. And someone said street and plain stack because the city is considered plains. So perhaps in Monty's case he's not really sacrificing much firepower if those two skills stack. He's already got crossfire as well. I tried him in a mod and tbh I was impressed by him even though I was doubtful of his ability. I am currently considering getting him. Not really, armored assault with plain fighting makes him a good damage dealer, it helps him assault as well. No to mention his 5 air star. |
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Post by sean1917 on Dec 17, 2020 16:39:48 GMT
Roll a charisma check  What is that?  ??! Seriously? What kind of gamer doesn't understand THAT ref? Poor deprived soul. Que triste! |
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Post by sean1917 on Dec 17, 2020 16:46:03 GMT
I'm currently using Graziani and am considering Monty as the next purchase- one attack dawg and one guard dawg.
Basically I know that if I plant Monty in a city that I am gonna need later he will pretty much hold it w/o me having to keep reinforcing it.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 18, 2020 15:38:06 GMT
If you have Monty can you provide data regarding his output. He's basically Rommel with plain fighting, because the rest are the same: armored assault, rumor, and crossfire. Crossfire stacks with armored assault. So without blitzkrieg again? |
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Post by journeykeen on Dec 20, 2020 18:31:02 GMT
If you have Monty can you provide data regarding his output. He's basically Rommel with plain fighting, because the rest are the same: armored assault, rumor, and crossfire. Crossfire stacks with armored assault. Rommel has leader, ensuring his damage will be higher than Monty’s. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 1:18:41 GMT
I'm currently using Graziani and am considering Monty as the next purchase- one attack dawg and one guard dawg. Basically I know that if I plant Monty in a city that I am gonna need later he will pretty much hold it w/o me having to keep reinforcing it. I much prefer Rokossovsky to Monty. Good cause of damage, besides that a general defender of cities is almost useless. |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Dec 25, 2020 16:41:03 GMT
He's basically Rommel with plain fighting, because the rest are the same: armored assault, rumor, and crossfire. Crossfire stacks with armored assault. Rommel has leader, ensuring his damage will be higher than Monty’s. Yeah but Rokosovsky depends on his panz leader chance, Monty can assault with his calculable output. His air stars are also good, Roko has 0 air star. |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Dec 25, 2020 16:55:04 GMT
He's basically Rommel with plain fighting, because the rest are the same: armored assault, rumor, and crossfire. Crossfire stacks with armored assault. So without blitzkrieg again? No problem, I switched Rommel's blitzkrieg with panz leader because I already have Guderian and 2 artillery generals. Blitzkrieg is useless if: 1. Enemy is already paralyzed 2. Enemy is destroyed within one shot 3. Enemy can only attack within one range In which cases don't trigger counter attacks from the enemy. |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Dec 25, 2020 16:59:35 GMT
I'm currently using Graziani and am considering Monty as the next purchase- one attack dawg and one guard dawg. Basically I know that if I plant Monty in a city that I am gonna need later he will pretty much hold it w/o me having to keep reinforcing it. I much prefer Rokossovsky to Monty. Good cause of damage, besides that a general defender of cities is almost useless. Why shoud Monty be a city defender? Plain fighting has an amazing offensive potential, city defending is his 2nd role, he can give air support while defending too. Panz leader is based on chances, when stacked with armored assault crossfire is better than tide of iron as well. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 26, 2020 9:00:14 GMT
I much prefer Rokossovsky to Monty. Good cause of damage, besides that a general defender of cities is almost useless. Why shoud Monty be a city defender? Plain fighting has an amazing offensive potential, city defending is his 2nd role, he can give air support while defending too. Panz leader is based on chances, when stacked with armored assault crossfire is better than tide of iron as well. Monty has pretty good attacking ability as well. However PF has less potential than Leader. If you need a damage dealer then Rokossovsky would still be one of the best picks. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Feb 13, 2021 17:35:51 GMT
Gerd von Rundstedt, If you are still trying to persuade your brother, the main argument I have seen defending Graziani is that "he has horrible skills, so if you use medals on them, they will become useable", but for me, this doesn't make sense. Machinist offers a small amount of HP back, but it's still HP, so I guess it could be average. Ace Forces is useless when your troop is maxed out on EXP, and Mountain Fighting is useable. You can't put him on #3 of Top Panzer Generals because he just isn't the best. He is useable, but not the best. Rokossovsky on the other hand, has a great skill in Panzer Leader, Tide of Iron is in the middle of horrible and useable, and Shelter is horrible. Useable, but use Rommel. I can see him being put in the Top 4 , but Graziani maybe top 5 or 6.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 13, 2021 17:44:23 GMT
Gerd von Rundstedt, If you are still trying to persuade your brother, the main argument I have seen defending Graziani is that "he has horrible skills, so if you use medals on them, they will become useable", but for me, this doesn't make sense. Machinist offers a small amount of HP back, but it's still HP, so I guess it could be average. Ace Forces is useless when your troop is maxed out on EXP, and Mountain Fighting is useable. You can't put him on #3 of Top Panzer Generals because he just isn't the best. He is useable, but not the best. Rokossovsky on the other hand, has a great skill in Panzer Leader, Tide of Iron is in the middle of horrible and useable, and Shelter is horrible. Useable, but use Rommel. I can see him being put in the Top 4 , but Graziani maybe top 5 or 6. I would say Machinist is a very good skill, although not top tier like the Blitzkrieg, AA, or Rumor, and Mt Fighting is great, I believe better than plain fighting, and Ace Forces has some use, so it is better than Shelter. Panzer Leader I dislike because it is so unreliable, and not very good without the medal, obviously given to Guderian. |
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Post by sean1917 on Feb 13, 2021 23:24:58 GMT
IF you have a medal and IF you crit-hit... Constants are better. Terrain based skills and armored assault are much more useful in my opinion.
Graziani is my pick over Rokki any day... Period. Point blank. Plain & simple.
I add plain fighting and forest to Graz and he is kickazz... Of course I invest a bunch of medals in him, but it is worth it. In place of assault I make due with his ace forces...
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??! Seriously?
