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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 14, 2021 0:01:37 GMT
IF you have a medal and IF you crit-hit... Constants are better. Terrain based skills and armored assault are much more useful in my opinion. Graziani is my pick over Rokki any day... Period. Point blank. Plain & simple. I add plain fighting and forest to Graz and he is kickazz... Of course I invest a bunch of medals in him, but it is worth it. In place of assault I make due with his ace forces... What madals do you give him? |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Feb 14, 2021 4:21:28 GMT
Gerd von Rundstedt , If you are still trying to persuade your brother, the main argument I have seen defending Graziani is that "he has horrible skills, so if you use medals on them, they will become useable", but for me, this doesn't make sense. Machinist offers a small amount of HP back, but it's still HP, so I guess it could be average. Ace Forces is useless when your troop is maxed out on EXP, and Mountain Fighting is useable. You can't put him on #3 of Top Panzer Generals because he just isn't the best. He is useable, but not the best. Rokossovsky on the other hand, has a great skill in Panzer Leader, Tide of Iron is in the middle of horrible and useable, and Shelter is horrible. Useable, but use Rommel. I can see him being put in the Top 4, but Graziani maybe top 5 or 6. I would say Machinist is a very good skill, although not top tier like the Blitzkrieg, AA, or Rumor, and Mt Fighting is great, I believe better than plain fighting, and Ace Forces has some use, so it is better than Shelter. Panzer Leader I dislike because it is so unreliable, and not very good without the medal, obviously given to Guderian. , I hear you out, but they both are very expensive to upgrade to "Top 3" tier. Graziani is obviously above average, or useable. Roko is same. Both are very close, and I don't see a large difference between them both. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Feb 14, 2021 5:17:25 GMT
Gerd von Rundstedt , If you are still trying to persuade your brother, the main argument I have seen defending Graziani is that "he has horrible skills, so if you use medals on them, they will become useable", but for me, this doesn't make sense. Machinist offers a small amount of HP back, but it's still HP, so I guess it could be average. Ace Forces is useless when your troop is maxed out on EXP, and Mountain Fighting is useable. You can't put him on #3 of Top Panzer Generals because he just isn't the best. He is useable, but not the best. Rokossovsky on the other hand, has a great skill in Panzer Leader, Tide of Iron is in the middle of horrible and useable, and Shelter is horrible. Useable, but use Rommel. I can see him being put in the Top 4 , but Graziani maybe top 5 or 6. I would say Machinist is a very good skill, although not top tier like the Blitzkrieg, AA, or Rumor, and Mt Fighting is great, I believe better than plain fighting, and Ace Forces has some use, so it is better than Shelter. Panzer Leader I dislike because it is so unreliable, and not very good without the medal, obviously given to Guderian. Mountain better than Plain? This isn't 1914. |
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Post by George Rudi on Feb 14, 2021 15:10:11 GMT
Mountain better than Plain? This isn't 1914. Mountain Fighting (+) : 20% damage reduction from enemy attack for tanks (-) : less mobility if you sit on a mountain Plain Fighting (+) : more mobility for your unit in the next turn, faster to approach enemy target/city. (-) : your unit become more vulnerable, because no cover/ no damage reduction from enemy attack. |
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Post by journeykeen on Feb 14, 2021 20:13:35 GMT
Gerd von Rundstedt, If you are still trying to persuade your brother, the main argument I have seen defending Graziani is that "he has horrible skills, so if you use medals on them, they will become useable", but for me, this doesn't make sense. Machinist offers a small amount of HP back, but it's still HP, so I guess it could be average. Ace Forces is useless when your troop is maxed out on EXP, and Mountain Fighting is useable. You can't put him on #3 of Top Panzer Generals because he just isn't the best. He is useable, but not the best. Rokossovsky on the other hand, has a great skill in Panzer Leader, Tide of Iron is in the middle of horrible and useable, and Shelter is horrible. Useable, but use Rommel. I can see him being put in the Top 4 , but Graziani maybe top 5 or 6. I would say Machinist is a very good skill, although not top tier like the Blitzkrieg, AA, or Rumor, and Mt Fighting is great, I believe better than plain fighting, and Ace Forces has some use, so it is better than Shelter. Panzer Leader I dislike because it is so unreliable, and not very good without the medal, obviously given to Guderian. You can switch medals mid game. Simply put, PL is required to maximize efficiency. There is no getting around that. Every tank general needs PL+AA. |
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Post by journeykeen on Feb 14, 2021 20:14:52 GMT
IF you have a medal and IF you crit-hit... Constants are better. Terrain based skills and armored assault are much more useful in my opinion. Graziani is my pick over Rokki any day... Period. Point blank. Plain & simple. I add plain fighting and forest to Graz and he is kickazz... Of course I invest a bunch of medals in him, but it is worth it. In place of assault I make due with his ace forces... Averaged out, no, PF is not better. Not to mention that plenty of things in the game are not possible without PL. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Feb 14, 2021 21:01:33 GMT
An example of PL's usefulness is Guderian, +36 more damage + 3/5 chance of doing even more damage with a medal for it, makes more massive damage, even more if you add good skills to him.
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Post by sean1917 on Feb 14, 2021 22:26:34 GMT
I actually meant medals as far as upgrades for skills... But the Legion medal would be good terrain boost...Revolution helps machinist be more useful ...
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Feb 15, 2021 3:37:29 GMT
I would say Machinist is a very good skill, although not top tier like the Blitzkrieg, AA, or Rumor, and Mt Fighting is great, I believe better than plain fighting, and Ace Forces has some use, so it is better than Shelter. Panzer Leader I dislike because it is so unreliable, and not very good without the medal, obviously given to Guderian. You can switch medals mid game. Simply put, PL is required to maximize efficiency. There is no getting around that. Every tank general needs PL+AA. If you switch medals then Leader will be one of the best skills. 60% chance to deal 225% damage. |
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Post by journeykeen on Feb 15, 2021 6:28:08 GMT
You can switch medals mid game. Simply put, PL is required to maximize efficiency. There is no getting around that. Every tank general needs PL+AA. If you switch medals then Leader will be one of the best skills. 60% chance to deal 225% damage. I thought it was only around 60%, but 1.6 when the base damage is 200 is massive. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 15, 2021 12:44:24 GMT
If you switch medals then Leader will be one of the best skills. 60% chance to deal 225% damage. I thought it was only around 60%, but 1.6 when the base damage is 200 is massive. with the medal it changes to +125% dmg (I think) |
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Post by journeykeen on Feb 15, 2021 18:13:02 GMT
I thought it was only around 60%, but 1.6 when the base damage is 200 is massive. with the medal it changes to +125% dmg (I think) Just did a very rough, 5 minute or so test in 1950 USSR. Guderian, with maxed skills and level 5 explosives with AA medal, does: ~80% bonus to units on cities (probably due to the stacking of explosives, which is why Rokko is better than Graziani) ~50% bonus to sea units, ground units, including infantry. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 15, 2021 18:33:06 GMT
with the medal it changes to +125% dmg (I think) (probably due to the stacking of explosives, which is why Rokko is better than Graziani) Whaddaya mean? |
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Post by journeykeen on Feb 15, 2021 19:58:48 GMT
(probably due to the stacking of explosives, which is why Rokko is better than Graziani) Whaddaya mean? The damage multiplier seems to stack with explosives. So rather than just doing more damage to the city, PL stacks with explosives to do extra damage to the unit too. This is how my speedruns are possible; I am able to take down max level cities in two rounds with one artillery and tank general or two tank generals. |
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