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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 16, 2016 19:15:45 GMT
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? CAN YOU FIND ANOTHER HIGH SURVIVALABILITY INFANTRY GENERAL WHO CAN GO BEHIND THE ENEMIES AND NOT AFRAID OF DROPPING MORALE??? |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 16, 2016 19:19:13 GMT
Leadership. I don't disagree that their normal combat ability is inferior to Suvorov, but while Suvorov cannot go to the back of enemies and afraid of cavalry charging, they are not. Low morale is irritating, but generally the protection from it doesn't make up for Wellesley and Washington's lower output I can use 2 light cav and sl to freeze Suvorov, let him stand there waitng my troops to kill him, but I cannot do it to Washington and Wellesley. Their value is that you can let them strike into the enemies and surround enemy generals, without themselves getting frozen. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Mar 16, 2016 19:22:58 GMT
Erich von Manstein,Im not kidding you Washington sucks unless of course you regroup him with two more infantry generals like Deroy,
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Mar 16, 2016 19:25:35 GMT
My 2 main infanry generals are Lannes and Suvorov and i also got Wellesly.For Artillery i Napolean who has explosive,accurate and engineering and assualt art and i got morue with 5 art star and i got a lot of good generals and yall people were right Berthier is a great cavalry general he rocks and i also got lassale.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 16, 2016 19:26:55 GMT
Erich von Manstein ,Im not kidding you Washington sucks unless of course you regroup him with two more infantry generals like Deroy, Output is not what I care most about Washington. And Deroy? Why not you regroup him with Soult or Yorck? |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 16, 2016 19:27:21 GMT
I made Nelson into a cavalry general and i made Murat into a Admiral i made all my generals hybrid. A) still not related to either Dobeln vs Oudinot or why you pick Oudinot over Suvorov B)Bad second picks. If anything, you ought to make Murat Artillery. It really is about skill synergy, and Siege artillery can bring the most out of Murat's spy skill |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 16, 2016 19:28:28 GMT
Erich von Manstein,Im not kidding you Washington sucks unless of course you regroup him with two more infantry generals like Deroy, You're looking at stars, stars alone don't make a general great |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 16, 2016 19:30:13 GMT
My 2 main infanry generals are Lannes and Suvorov and i also got Wellesly.For Artillery i Napolean who has explosive,accurate and engineering and assualt art and i got morue with 5 art star and i got a lot of good generals and yall people were right Berthier is a great cavalry general he rocks and i also got lassale. A) those are not Napoleon's skills B)Washington>Wellesley (high training stars are a must for city defenders |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 16, 2016 22:56:04 GMT
Jean-Luc Picard ,i have a hack version where somebody fixed napolean up and gave him explosive,accurate,engineering and Assault Art.Also i made Murat a artillery general and he rocks against high level forts when you put him on double rockets he does a whooping 110 and up damage everytime.Also i made Wellesly a cavalry general thou he doesnt work as good as i wish he would work.And i made Messena into a everything general with all stars maxed and same gos for Dearborn.I made all my generals hybrid so i wont have to worry about which one to pick. A) does the hack affect Napoelon in the store or also enemy Napoleon? It seems like a neat hack B) Murat on artillery is tried and true in the Chinese forum (ask Erich von Manstein ) C) Just remember to look at the skill synergy with the unit (Navy can bring out Poniatowski's strength better than infantry, for example), but it's your game, so have fun however you wish D) Please explain why you prefer Oudinot's skill set to Suvorov's. I'm extremely curious |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Mar 16, 2016 23:21:04 GMT
Jean-Luc Picard ,The main reason i prefer Oudinot that even thou sometimes hes at half percent life he will still do considerable damage more then either survorov or doblen even without the snare drum wish is pretty need.The hack for napolean only affects the one under your command not the enemy napolean.Also i recently replaced Wellesly with Dombrowski who is always high on his attack even when he is extremely injured and he does not even have a snare drum.
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 16, 2016 23:33:36 GMT
Jean-Luc Picard ,The main reason i prefer Oudinot that even thou sometimes hes at half percent life he will still do considerable damage more then either survorov or doblen even without the snare drum wish is pretty need.The hack only affects for napolean only affects the one under your command not the enemy napolean.Also i recently replaced Wellesly with Dombrowski who is always high on his attack even when he is extremely injured and he does not even have a snare drum. 1) what you said about Oudinot dealing more damage than Suvorov is mathematically false (unless you compare equipped Oudinot to unequipped Suvorov). At full health, commanding identical unit (identical formation, identical unit type, identical country), they are equal. As they take damage, Oudinot starts dealing less (unless he has snare drum) but Suvorov's mass fire keeps him nice and steady. If you give him the snare drum, that's an item slot you can't put a Ferguson Rifle in. In other words (referring to the damage formula wangchengxy and Erich von Manstein gave us), all is equal except the deduction from damage taken. Oudinot is affected by the deduction, Suvorov isn't. Don't get me wrong, Oudinot is OP, but Suvorov is simply better. 2) Dombrowski is higher output than Wellesley, but Dombrowski has no econ ability. They play different roles 3) Dombrowski deals high without snare drum, but Snare Drum helps bring out the best in him at low health. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 16, 2016 23:43:00 GMT
Jean-Luc Picard ,The main reason i prefer Oudinot that even thou sometimes hes at half percent life he will still do considerable damage more then either survorov or doblen even without the snare drum wish is pretty need.The hack only affects for napolean only affects the one under your command not the enemy napolean.Also i recently replaced Wellesly with Dombrowski who is always high on his attack even when he is extremely injured and he does not even have a snare drum. 1) what you said about Oudinot dealing more damage than Suvorov is mathematically false (unless you compare equipped Oudinot to unequipped Suvorov). At full health, commanding identical unit (identical formation, identical unit type, identical country), they are equal. As they take damage, Oudinot starts dealing less (unless he has snare drum) but Suvorov's mass fire keeps him nice and steady. If you give him the snare drum, that's an item slot you can't put a Ferguson Rifle in. In other words (referring to the damage formula wangchengxy and Erich von Manstein gave us), all is equal except the deduction from damage taken. Oudinot is affected by the deduction, Suvorov isn't. Don't get me wrong, Oudinot is OP, but Suvorov is simply better. 2) Dombrowski is higher output than Wellesley, but Dombrowski has no econ ability. They play different roles 3) Dombrowski deals high without snare drum, but Snare Drum helps bring out the best in him at low health. Oudinot with snare drum=Suvorov, that's the fact. Oudinot>Suvorov on the same kind of unit&country&formation is impossible. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Mar 16, 2016 23:43:35 GMT
Erich von Manstein,,You may be right about the suvorov vs oudinot and ill concede defeat to you but if i were in a real 17 century battlefieild i would pick oudinot as my infantry general.and about dombrowski your right.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 16, 2016 23:45:17 GMT
Erich von Manstein ,,You may be right about the suvorov vs oudinot and ill concede defeat to you but if i were in a real 17 century battlefieild i would pick oudinot as my infantry general.and about dombrowski your right. This is not earth, the whole thing in EW4 happened on a planet called Easytech. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 16, 2016 23:49:15 GMT
1) what you said about Oudinot dealing more damage than Suvorov is mathematically false (unless you compare equipped Oudinot to unequipped Suvorov). At full health, commanding identical unit (identical formation, identical unit type, identical country), they are equal. As they take damage, Oudinot starts dealing less (unless he has snare drum) but Suvorov's mass fire keeps him nice and steady. If you give him the snare drum, that's an item slot you can't put a Ferguson Rifle in. In other words (referring to the damage formula wangchengxy and Erich von Manstein gave us), all is equal except the deduction from damage taken. Oudinot is affected by the deduction, Suvorov isn't. Don't get me wrong, Oudinot is OP, but Suvorov is simply better. 2) Dombrowski is higher output than Wellesley, but Dombrowski has no econ ability. They play different roles 3) Dombrowski deals high without snare drum, but Snare Drum helps bring out the best in him at low health. Oudinot with snare drum=Suvorov, that's the fact. Oudinot>Suvorov on the same kind of unit&country&formation is impossible. Well, damage is not one number, but is picked randomly out of a range, so you might perceive Oudinot>Suvorov, but that wouldn't be "true" |
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