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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 14:45:00 GMT
While yeah, you don't need Macarthur There isn't any other infantry general out there to match Mac's general output Slim comes close and for 300 medlas less. Well yeah if we're counting +dmg only it's Slim - 26 and Mac - 20 But I don't think Slim is touching that 42% chance that either a crit or a second attack will happen
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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 14:50:10 GMT
While yeah, you don't need Macarthur There isn't any other infantry general out there to match Mac's general output Again, I guess no-one will dispute it. If the pull was something like: "who is the most powerful allied Infantry general" Mac could win it easily. But the purpose of this thread, as I see it, is somewhat different... Well we got 2 different ideas on overrated but both are close and either could be used Generals who have a cheaper alternative that is able to pull through And generals who have a cheaper alternative that deal roughly the same amount of damage
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 14:51:34 GMT
Slim comes close and for 300 medlas less. Well yeah if we're counting +dmg only it's Slim - 26 and Mac - 20 But I don't think Slim is touching that 42% chance that either a crit or a second attack will happen A second attack probability is a blessing in case of heavy tanks or Artillery but it is a double-edged sword in case of a close-range unit, because all attacks will be repulsed destroying thus our valuable Special forces. It is still an interesting tactical possibility but I wouldn't overestimate it either.
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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 14:53:29 GMT
Well yeah if we're counting +dmg only it's Slim - 26 and Mac - 20 But I don't think Slim is touching that 42% chance that either a crit or a second attack will happen A second attack probability is a blessing in case of heavy tanks or Artillery but it is a double-edged sword in case of a close-range unit, because all attacks will be repulsed destroying thus our valuable Special forces. It is still an interesting tactical possibility but I wouldn't overestimate it either. It's a "Rommel" situation but at least infantry is able to be replenished easily & cheaply
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 14:54:14 GMT
Hmm. Could we potentially call Govorov overrated? Not only is he matched by not one, but TWO free generals(Chuikov and Alexander) but he also struggles to match up to other, cheaper alternatives.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 25, 2021 14:54:39 GMT
Well yeah if we're counting +dmg only it's Slim - 26 and Mac - 20 But I don't think Slim is touching that 42% chance that either a crit or a second attack will happen A second attack probability is a blessing in case of heavy tanks or Artillery but it is a double-edged sword in case of a close-range unit, because all attacks will be repulsed destroying thus our valuable Special forces. It is still an interesting tactical possibility but I wouldn't overestimate it either. On MacArthur with a special force, he does have Fire Suppression and enough output that they will die on second hit.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 25, 2021 14:55:40 GMT
Hmm. Could we potentially call Govorov overrated? Not only is he matched by not one, but TWO free generals(Chuikov and Alexander) but he also struggles to match up to other, cheaper alternatives. I would say he is Generally overrated because Chuikov exists, but he is one of the closest things we have to Zhukov.
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 25, 2021 14:56:40 GMT
Hmm. Could we potentially call Govorov overrated? Not only is he matched by not one, but TWO free generals(Chuikov and Alexander) but he also struggles to match up to other, cheaper alternatives. Hahahaha, no.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 14:58:18 GMT
Hmm. Could we potentially call Govorov overrated? Not only is he matched by not one, but TWO free generals(Chuikov and Alexander) but he also struggles to match up to other, cheaper alternatives. Hahahaha, no. He is unneccesary. Chuikov does his job.
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 25, 2021 14:59:04 GMT
Hahahaha, no. He is unneccesary. Chuikov does his job. Get both end of story.
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 15:00:03 GMT
A second attack probability is a blessing in case of heavy tanks or Artillery but it is a double-edged sword in case of a close-range unit, because all attacks will be repulsed destroying thus our valuable Special forces. It is still an interesting tactical possibility but I wouldn't overestimate it either. It's a "Rommel" situation but at least infantry is able to be replenished easily & cheaply Indeed, hoping that our damaged unit won't be destroyed meantime. I've seen it many times that 4 stacked Infantry units disappear during AI's turn.
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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 15:02:28 GMT
Hmm. Could we potentially call Govorov overrated? Not only is he matched by not one, but TWO free generals(Chuikov and Alexander) but he also struggles to match up to other, cheaper alternatives. Bruh Alexander doesn't come close to Govorov
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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 15:04:11 GMT
It's a "Rommel" situation but at least infantry is able to be replenished easily & cheaply Indeed, hoping that our damaged unit won't be destroyed meantime. I've seen it many times that 4 stacked Infantry units disappear during AI's turn. Well yeah that's why you don't just go full Leroy Jenkins on it without any tanks nearby
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 25, 2021 15:05:22 GMT
Indeed, hoping that our damaged unit won't be destroyed meantime. I've seen it many times that 4 stacked Infantry units disappear during AI's turn. Well yeah that's why you don't just go full Leroy Jenkins on it without any tanks nearby *Laughs in Yamashita*
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 15:05:46 GMT
A second attack probability is a blessing in case of heavy tanks or Artillery but it is a double-edged sword in case of a close-range unit, because all attacks will be repulsed destroying thus our valuable Special forces. It is still an interesting tactical possibility but I wouldn't overestimate it either. On MacArthur with a special force, he does have Fire Suppression and enough output that they will die on second hit. Of course, there is a myriad of different situations, but generally our Infantry is the most vulnerable unit type. I wouldn't weaken my Infantry generals without any good purpose.
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