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Post by andrei on Mar 25, 2021 15:11:21 GMT
I'ld say that best and expensive infantry general could be called overrated. As infantry is not the main damage dealer. And even though it is more playstyle that affects Your choice for infantry gen, but if comparing price of a inf gen and much more useful tank/arty gen I'ld say most infantry gens are overrated  When it comes to tank and arty I'ld better take best options as those are much more valuable. And it is hard to agree who is the best or overrated as not too many players compare gameplay value. Mostly it is pure damage. And unfortunately sometimes players don't even do this. Skills comparison is very tricky. For example, I fully agree that second attack for infantry is normally a bad skill cause in many situation I don't want to attack with infantry at all, just to block, flank or shield. And it is not the only example. Some skills that are good on paper have very low gameplay value. Plunder is another example btw. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 15:16:19 GMT
I'ld say that best and expensive infantry general could be called overrated. As infantry is not the main damage dealer. And even though it is more playstyle that affects Your choice for infantry gen, but if comparing price of a inf gen and much more useful tank/arty gen I'ld say most infantry gens are overrated :D When it comes to tank and arty I'ld better take best options as those are much more valuable. And it is hard to agree who is the best or overrated as not too many players compare gameplay value. Mostly it is pure damage. And unfortunately sometimes players don't even do this. Skills comparison is very tricky. For example, I fully agree that second attack for infantry is normally a bad skill cause in many situation I don't want to attack with infantry at all, just to block, flank or shield. And it is not the only example. Some skills that are good on paper have very low gameplay value. Plunder is another example btw. Plunder has low game value? One what planet? Plunder is one of the most OP skills in the entire game. Just look at Rundstedt! |
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Post by andrei on Mar 25, 2021 15:18:55 GMT
I'ld say that best and expensive infantry general could be called overrated. As infantry is not the main damage dealer. And even though it is more playstyle that affects Your choice for infantry gen, but if comparing price of a inf gen and much more useful tank/arty gen I'ld say most infantry gens are overrated When it comes to tank and arty I'ld better take best options as those are much more valuable. And it is hard to agree who is the best or overrated as not too many players compare gameplay value. Mostly it is pure damage. And unfortunately sometimes players don't even do this. Skills comparison is very tricky. For example, I fully agree that second attack for infantry is normally a bad skill cause in many situation I don't want to attack with infantry at all, just to block, flank or shield. And it is not the only example. Some skills that are good on paper have very low gameplay value. Plunder is another example btw. Plunder has low game value? One what planet? Plunder is one of the most OP skills in the entire game. Just look at Rundstedt! If Rundstedt is not killed in one turn by arty from the fog of war You should be happy. I have no idea how plunder can save his day with that marginal bonus. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 15:19:54 GMT
I'ld say that best and expensive infantry general could be called overrated. As infantry is not the main damage dealer. And even though it is more playstyle that affects Your choice for infantry gen, but if comparing price of a inf gen and much more useful tank/arty gen I'ld say most infantry gens are overrated When it comes to tank and arty I'ld better take best options as those are much more valuable. And it is hard to agree who is the best or overrated as not too many players compare gameplay value. Mostly it is pure damage. And unfortunately sometimes players don't even do this. Skills comparison is very tricky. For example, I fully agree that second attack for infantry is normally a bad skill cause in many situation I don't want to attack with infantry at all, just to block, flank or shield. And it is not the only example. Some skills that are good on paper have very low gameplay value. Plunder is another example btw. Plunder has low game value? One what planet? Plunder is one of the most OP skills in the entire game. Just look at Rundstedt! Well, let's stay calm as it was proposed by Saltin  I guess andrei said it exactly because he looked at Rundstedt |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 25, 2021 15:23:18 GMT
Plunder has low game value? One what planet? Plunder is one of the most OP skills in the entire game. Just look at Rundstedt! Well, let's stay calm as it was proposed by Saltin I guess andrei said it exactly because he looked at Rundstedt This is blasphemy! It is (mostly) bad on Infantry Rundstedt, but on Heavy Tanker Gerd von Rundstedt, it is OP. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 15:30:08 GMT
Well, let's stay calm as it was proposed by Saltin I guess andrei said it exactly because he looked at Rundstedt This is blasphemy! It is (mostly) bad on Infantry Rundstedt, but on Heavy Tanker Gerd von Rundstedt, it is OP. Don't try to convert me, it was my hidden teaching But, as you said yourself, it is, let's say it as neutral as possible , rather unconvincing on Infantry  |
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Post by HangryBird on Mar 25, 2021 15:32:14 GMT
Well, let's stay calm as it was proposed by Saltin I guess andrei said it exactly because he looked at Rundstedt This is blasphemy! It is (mostly) bad on Infantry Rundstedt, but on Heavy Tanker Gerd von Rundstedt , it is OP. Not really. Sure, Plunder heals 16% of a stack and infantry don't have good hp per stack. But, Rundstedt can have 4 stacks on infantry and infantry is cheap to heal. Plunder is still effective on infantry. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 25, 2021 15:33:29 GMT
This is blasphemy! It is (mostly) bad on Infantry Rundstedt, but on Heavy Tanker Gerd von Rundstedt , it is OP. Not really. Sure, Plunder heals 16% of a stack and infantry don't have good hp per stack. But, Rundstedt can have 4 stacks on infantry and infantry is cheap to heal. Plunder is still effective on infantry. 12% |
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Post by HangryBird on Mar 25, 2021 15:35:59 GMT
Not really. Sure, Plunder heals 16% of a stack and infantry don't have good hp per stack. But, Rundstedt can have 4 stacks on infantry and infantry is cheap to heal. Plunder is still effective on infantry. 12% Dammit, not again. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 25, 2021 15:42:06 GMT
I'ld say that best and expensive infantry general could be called overrated. As infantry is not the main damage dealer. And even though it is more playstyle that affects Your choice for infantry gen, but if comparing price of a inf gen and much more useful tank/arty gen I'ld say most infantry gens are overrated When it comes to tank and arty I'ld better take best options as those are much more valuable. And it is hard to agree who is the best or overrated as not too many players compare gameplay value. Mostly it is pure damage. And unfortunately sometimes players don't even do this. Skills comparison is very tricky. For example, I fully agree that second attack for infantry is normally a bad skill cause in many situation I don't want to attack with infantry at all, just to block, flank or shield. And it is not the only example. Some skills that are good on paper have very low gameplay value. Plunder is another example btw. Plunder has low game value? One what planet? Plunder is one of the most OP skills in the entire game. Just look at Rundstedt! Disclaimer: it is IMO. If You will mention situation/mission/conquest where this skill is normally gives You advantage on a regular basis I would even try it. I am not kidding. But even now (in more or less early game for me) infantry general is so squishy that I don't see him any useful in the mid-end game as a damage dealer. So yes I can see that Rundstedt is very popular but I think he has just one good skill. Leader and Plunder are almost useless. Leader is a double edge as mentioned by stoic and Plunder is extremely unreliable. You need to attack, to kill and to stay alive after that in order to recieve.. what? 12%? Nah, thanks. Marginal. Fire Suppression is good. But again it only adds to his survivability when YOU attack the enemy. In case You ARE attacked Rundstedt is just same squishy as any other infantry general. He is the MOST overrated infantry general as he is a turtle in addition. P.S.: And I am afraid that he is popular just because he is mentioned as a GREAT general in the GUIDE. I suppose that is the reason. Just like horrible stock Boroevich is mentioned as a GREAT general in EW4_1914 guide. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 25, 2021 16:00:53 GMT
Plunder has low game value? One what planet? Plunder is one of the most OP skills in the entire game. Just look at Rundstedt! Disclaimer: it is IMO. If You will mention situation/mission/conquest where this skill is normally gives You advantage on a regular basis I would even try it. I am not kidding. But even now (in more or less early game for me) infantry general is so squishy that I don't see him any useful in the mid-end game as a damage dealer. So yes I can see that Rundstedt is very popular but I think he has just one good skill. Leader and Plunder are almost useless. Leader is a double edge as mentioned by stoic and Plunder is extremely unreliable. You need to attack, to kill and to stay alive after that in order to recieve.. what? 12%? Nah, thanks. Marginal. Fire Suppression is good. But again it only adds to his survivability when YOU attack the enemy. In case You ARE attacked Rundstedt is just same squishy as any other infantry general. He is the MOST overrated infantry general as he is a turtle in addition. P.S.: And I am afraid that he is popular just because he is mentioned as a GREAT general in the GUIDE. I suppose that is the reason. Just like horrible stock Boroevich is mentioned as a GREAT general in EW4_1914 guide. Disclaimer: it is IMO. One (just one example) Situation/Mission/Conquest where this skill give you advantage on a regular basis is Defense of Tunisia, where there is a signifigant absence of cities near the fighting. Being in '44, he is still very much useful as a damage dealer, (that is, as with all inf gens, with special forces), especially as I am stuck (whoops ) and Am trying to go back and perfect clear missions. His skills, although they may not be good, synergize extremely well, such as Leader making 60% dmg and a chance to get HP. Agreed, and I am mad that none of his skills work when you end your turn, but hey, so do Zhukov's. As for being a turtle, there should never be a time when he is without special forces. I mean no disrespect, but I strongly disagree. P.S. I used Rundstedt before Paulus made his guide. In fact, he was my first gen. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 25, 2021 16:04:27 GMT
Disclaimer: it is IMO. If You will mention situation/mission/conquest where this skill is normally gives You advantage on a regular basis I would even try it. I am not kidding. But even now (in more or less early game for me) infantry general is so squishy that I don't see him any useful in the mid-end game as a damage dealer. So yes I can see that Rundstedt is very popular but I think he has just one good skill. Leader and Plunder are almost useless. Leader is a double edge as mentioned by stoic and Plunder is extremely unreliable. You need to attack, to kill and to stay alive after that in order to recieve.. what? 12%? Nah, thanks. Marginal. Fire Suppression is good. But again it only adds to his survivability when YOU attack the enemy. In case You ARE attacked Rundstedt is just same squishy as any other infantry general. He is the MOST overrated infantry general as he is a turtle in addition. P.S.: And I am afraid that he is popular just because he is mentioned as a GREAT general in the GUIDE. I suppose that is the reason. Just like horrible stock Boroevich is mentioned as a GREAT general in EW4_1914 guide. Disclaimer: it is IMO. One (just one example) Situation/Mission/Conquest where this skill give you advantage on a regular basis is Defense of Tunisia, where there is a signifigant absence of cities near the fighting. Being in '44, he is still very much useful as a damage dealer, (that is, as with all inf gens, with special forces), especially as I am stuck (whoops ) and Am trying to go back and perfect clear missions. His skills, although they may not be good, synergize extremely well, such as Leader making 60% dmg and a chance to get HP. Agreed, and I am mad that none of his skills work when you end your turn, but hey, so do Zhukov's. As for being a turtle, there should never be a time when he is without special forces. I mean no disrespect, but I strongly disagree. P.S. I used Rundstedt before Paulus made his guide. In fact, he was my first gen. As expected from Gerd von Rundstedt. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 25, 2021 16:05:42 GMT
Disclaimer: it is IMO. One (just one example) Situation/Mission/Conquest where this skill give you advantage on a regular basis is Defense of Tunisia, where there is a signifigant absence of cities near the fighting. Being in '44, he is still very much useful as a damage dealer, (that is, as with all inf gens, with special forces), especially as I am stuck (whoops ) and Am trying to go back and perfect clear missions. His skills, although they may not be good, synergize extremely well, such as Leader making 60% dmg and a chance to get HP. Agreed, and I am mad that none of his skills work when you end your turn, but hey, so do Zhukov's. As for being a turtle, there should never be a time when he is without special forces. I mean no disrespect, but I strongly disagree. P.S. I used Rundstedt before Paulus made his guide. In fact, he was my first gen. As expected from Gerd von Rundstedt . How is this even expected from me? |
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Post by HangryBird on Mar 25, 2021 16:07:17 GMT
How is this even expected from me? Your display name is Rundstedt. Of course you would buy Rundstedt first. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 25, 2021 16:07:46 GMT
How is this even expected from me? Who else would defend Rundstedt should the need arose? |
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