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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 25, 2021 16:09:52 GMT
How is this even expected from me? Who else would defend Rundstedt should the need arose? ! |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 25, 2021 16:13:05 GMT
Who else would defend Rundstedt should the need arose? ! He would defend macarthur! Point being that it is expected of Gerd von Rundstedt to defend Gerd Von Rundstedt. |
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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 16:18:09 GMT
He would defend macarthur! Point being that it is expected of Gerd von Rundstedt to defend Gerd Von Rundstedt. Hey I'm not limited to defending just 1 guy Birds of the rifle march together! |
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Post by andrei on Mar 25, 2021 16:18:13 GMT
Gerd von Rundstedt , too many "if" If You use him on tank skills aren't that bad. If You use SF he is not a turtle. If speaking about attack only synergy is good. I can't agree that general/skill with so many "if" can be called "great" or even "amazing". We have good inf options with skills that provide versatality.
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Post by Amazing on Mar 25, 2021 16:19:42 GMT
Just our of curiosity I did it again and again   Thats because you're hitting him on a town. The town adds a +1 defence. Try hitting the guy next to the radar.  Vatutin does a minimum of 105 damage (80 + 12 from TOI + 13 on a Maxxed Katyusha) - Don't quote me on this, I don't know how its calculated but I think that is correct. :S Its also how much HP an infantry has. |
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Post by Don Quixote de la Mancha on Mar 25, 2021 16:21:07 GMT
Well, you could say that about any gen
Mannerheim
if on inf
if against inf
if has white death ect
Rommel
if on heavy tank
if with Maus
if ect
THe problem isn't if there are too many "if"'s but if those "if"'s are easy or hard to acquire
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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 16:21:12 GMT
Just our of curiosity I did it again and again Thats because you're hitting him on a town. The town adds a +1 defence. Try hitting the guy next to the radar. Vatutin does a minimum of 105 damage (80 + 12 from TOI + 13 on a Maxxed Katyusha) - Don't quote me on this, I don't know how its calculated but I think that is correct. :S Its also how much HP an infantry has. Man how big of a difference is 1 defense gonna make |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 25, 2021 16:25:24 GMT
Thats because you're hitting him on a town. The town adds a +1 defence. Try hitting the guy next to the radar. Vatutin does a minimum of 105 damage (80 + 12 from TOI + 13 on a Maxxed Katyusha) - Don't quote me on this, I don't know how its calculated but I think that is correct. :S Its also how much HP an infantry has. Man how big of a difference is 1 defense gonna make On an infantry, quite a lot. I think inf have 4 defense, so an extra defense gives a good amount of damage reduction. |
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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 16:28:46 GMT
Man how big of a difference is 1 defense gonna make On an infantry, quite a lot. I think inf have 4 defense, so an extra defense gives a good amount of damage reduction. Idk bout the "quite a lot" bit It's a whole heavy tank with Vatty on it |
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Post by andrei on Mar 25, 2021 16:32:58 GMT
Well, you could say that about any gen Mannerheim if on inf if against inf if has white death ect Rommel if on heavy tank if with Maus if ect THe problem isn't if there are too many "if"'s but if those "if"'s are easy or hard to acquire I'ld say it is very hard to aquire SF card You need to fix broken gen in campaign missions. Other than that we don't need infantry general. It's a slot waste. |
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Post by Amazing on Mar 25, 2021 16:36:34 GMT
I did some quick testing. (For Science) On the Town that Unit had 4 Defence = 102, 109, 106, 98, 106, 95, 101, 91, 107, 92, 107, 98 ~ Average: 101 The Unit next to the radar has 1 Defence = 121, 120, 122, 111, 120, 121, 115, 119, 109, 119, 106, 125 ~ Average: 117 I think I got a lot of High Rolls on the unit next to the radar so I guess 1 defense is about 5 points of damage. stoic Please help me check if this is correct |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 16:40:21 GMT
Just our of curiosity I did it again and again Thats because you're hitting him on a town. The town adds a +1 defence. Try hitting the guy next to the radar. Vatutin does a minimum of 105 damage (80 + 12 from TOI + 13 on a Maxxed Katyusha) - Don't quote me on this, I don't know how its calculated but I think that is correct. :S Its also how much HP an infantry has. So, we can reasonably presume that PL is better than ToI against Infantry within the city walls. Am I right? It is indeed. I did it many times as well  But is PL worse than ToI in the field? Let's see.     4 times out of 6... Moreover a pure tank vs Infantry battle in the field is rather uncommon. A general with Pl isn't forced to attack a healthy unit. I don't ever do it in real battles unless I haven't another choice Plus Infantry might be the only unit type that could be killed with one-shot. Even that isn't certain because special forces increase defence. In any other situations Pl will be more useful. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 17:03:13 GMT
Here is Toi against an Infantry unit with a special force   Good but not enough to kill it with one shot... War in India is perhaps even a better testing ground because we can attack different opponents... |
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Post by Amazing on Mar 25, 2021 17:13:24 GMT
In the field test on the guy next to the radar.
Roko - 94, 98 (PL Proc), 105, 100, 98, 93, 92 (PL Proc), 97, 102, 100, 89, 103 ~ Average: 97. You need 105 to kill a unit.
Comparing this to Vatutin Average of 127.
On the Infantry in the City.
Roko - 87, 90, 88, 76 (PL Proc), 76, 81 (PL Proc), 83, 79, 81 (PL Proc), 85, 83, 94 ~ Average: 83
Comparing this to Vatutin Average of 101.
I don't really want to open up a PL vs TOI debate on this thread because it would derail it but Vatutin definitely kills one infantry in the field, whilst Roko one infantry when his PL Proc.
In the city, Roko has a 24% chance of having his PL Proc whilst Vatutin would need to kill off the infantry which he probably has ~30% chance of doing and then hoping the tank hitting again procs so Roko is slightly better there.
I guess the conclusion is Roko is on average better about 30ish% of the time and Vatutin about 70% of the time which is what this board already knew. I think the more fair comparison for Panzer Leader vs Tide of Iron should be Monty vs Vatutin since they both have 4 stars on Tanks.
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 17:14:12 GMT
We can't one-shot light Artillery  We can't one-shot Armored cars  We can't one-shot Infantry with SF  |
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