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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 17:19:07 GMT
We can't one-shot light Artillery  We can't one-shot Armored cars  We can't one-shot Infantry with SF  Idk if you got unlucky or not, but infantry + a general can take out a stack a light artillery Same with attacking infantry |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 17:23:14 GMT
We can't one-shot light Artillery We can't one-shot Armored cars We can't one-shot Infantry with SF Idk if you got unlucky or not, but infantry + a general can take out a stack a light artillery Same with attacking infantry Indeed?    |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 17:32:40 GMT
In the field test on the guy next to the radar. Roko - 94, 98 (PL Proc), 105, 100, 98, 93, 92 (PL Proc), 97, 102, 100, 89, 103 ~ Average: 97. You need 105 to kill a unit. Comparing this to Vatutin Average of 127. On the Infantry in the City. Roko - 87, 90, 88, 76 (PL Proc), 76, 81 (PL Proc), 83, 79, 81 (PL Proc), 85, 83, 94 ~ Average: 83 Comparing this to Vatutin Average of 101. I don't really want to open up a PL vs TOI debate on this thread because it would derail it but Vatutin definitely kills one infantry in the field, whilst Roko one infantry when his PL Proc. In the city, Roko has a 24% chance of having his PL Proc whilst Vatutin would need to kill off the infantry which he probably has ~30% chance of doing and then hoping the tank hitting again procs so Roko is slightly better there. I guess the conclusion is Roko is on average better about 30ish% of the time and Vatutin about 70% of the time which is what this board already knew. I think the more fair comparison for Panzer Leader vs Tide of Iron should be Monty vs Vatutin since they both have 4 stars on Tanks. I don't like any abstract ideas who is better x% of the time. I find it rather artificial. Would you be so nice to demonstrate how Vatutin is better about 70 percent of the time on the first move of War in India with different opponents and unit types? |
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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 17:33:11 GMT
Idk if you got unlucky or not, but infantry + a general can take out a stack a light artillery Same with attacking infantry Indeed? I meant assault infantry, sorry if I wasn't being specific enough Also I forgot I maxed out my infantry tech |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 17:35:09 GMT
I meant assault infantry, sorry if I wasn't being specific enough Also I forgot I maxed out my infantry tech How far are you in the game? Because light Artillery and Infantry in 1945 isn't the same as in 1942... |
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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 17:36:07 GMT
I meant assault infantry, sorry if I wasn't being specific enough Also I forgot I maxed out my infantry tech How far are you in the game? Because light Artillery and Infantry in 1945 isn't the same as in 1942... Well that explains why i couldnt find that spot, I was in 1942 How big is the differnce? |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 17:38:31 GMT
How far are you in the game? Because light Artillery and Infantry in 1945 isn't the same as in 1942... Well that explains why i couldnt find that spot, I was in 1942 How big is the differnce? I would say it is significant... |
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Post by zink on Mar 25, 2021 17:40:03 GMT
Well that explains why i couldnt find that spot, I was in 1942 How big is the differnce? I would say it is significant... Okay but can I get numbers exactly? |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 17:42:08 GMT
I would say it is significant... Okay but can I get numbers exactly?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 17:48:25 GMT
zink, stoic I think this conversation might belong in a seperate thread.
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Post by Amazing on Mar 25, 2021 17:50:59 GMT
@ stoic, I think we should make a New Thread if we're going to compare Vatutin, Monty, Roko & Timo. I also only claimed, as per my experience thread that Vatutin can one shot Infantry without Special Forces and I already knew he wouldn't reliably one-shot units with special forces but I never noticed the part about the city/fortifications so thanks for that  . Also I still reserve as also mentioned before the right to change my rankings depending on how Antarctica goes. @ zink,1942 has like lvl1 units, 1945 has like lvl5 units. The difference for infantry is 20 HP and 2 defense (equates as we learnt today to about 10 HP). So about 30 HP/Damage? |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 17:57:51 GMT
@ stoic, I think we should make a New Thread if we're going to compare Vatutin, Monty, Roko & Timo. I also only claimed, as per my experience thread that Vatutin can one shot Infantry without Special Forces and I already knew he wouldn't reliably one-shot units with special forces but I never noticed the part about the city/fortifications so thanks for that . Also I still reserve as also mentioned before the right to change my rankings depending on how Antarctica goes. @ zink,1942 has like lvl1 units, 1945 has like lvl5 units. The difference for infantry is 20 HP and 2 defense (equates as we learnt today to about 10 HP). So about 30 HP/Damage? I completely agree that all our thoughts are not far from being mere speculations before Antarctic campaigns are out. In the end last campaigns are decisive and early campaigns it is possible to complete with variety of generals. |
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Post by HangryBird on Mar 25, 2021 18:18:16 GMT
@ stoic , I think we should make a New Thread if we're going to compare Vatutin, Monty, Roko & Timo. I also only claimed, as per my experience thread that Vatutin can one shot Infantry without Special Forces and I already knew he wouldn't reliably one-shot units with special forces but I never noticed the part about the city/fortifications so thanks for that . Also I still reserve as also mentioned before the right to change my rankings depending on how Antarctica goes. @ zink ,1942 has like lvl1 units, 1945 has like lvl5 units. The difference for infantry is 20 HP and 2 defense (equates as we learnt today to about 10 HP). So about 30 HP/Damage? I completely agree that all our thoughts are not far from being mere speculations before Antarctic campaigns are out. In the end last campaigns are decisive and early campaigns it is possible to complete with variety of generals. I agree, but I would consider Western 1944 and Pacific 1945 as endgame campaigns. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 25, 2021 18:36:13 GMT
I completely agree that all our thoughts are not far from being mere speculations before Antarctic campaigns are out. In the end last campaigns are decisive and early campaigns it is possible to complete with variety of generals. I agree, but I would consider Western 1944 and Pacific 1945 as endgame campaigns. Quite so, but Antarctica is like a cherry on top It well may be, that it won't be as hard as we expect though... |
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Post by Port on Mar 31, 2021 17:04:42 GMT
Great! Now I can continue being sad and confused as to why people hate monty and roko . I think Roko is severely overrated. |
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. Also I still reserve as also mentioned before the right to change my rankings depending on how Antarctica goes. 
