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Post by HangryBird on Mar 19, 2021 19:39:42 GMT
Patton has Blitzkrieg, better for medium tanks. So Montgomery, Rokossovsky, Vatutin in that case for Heavy. Gunderian and Patton for medium. There is just one problem. What shall we do with Rundstedt? He is supposed to be good on tank. What a shame. I am not mentioning Rommel. He is probably also outclassed by Vatutin as I understand. In campaigns where you only have axis generals, only guderian and rommel are any good at tanks. So unless you want to buy Heinrici for tanks, Rundstedt exists as a third option. I am starting to think Heinrici is overrated. Graziani is your only option for a third dedicated axis tank general (Bock doesn't count because he's a hybrid), Heinrici may have better mobility, but his skills are bad; just a weak victory rush and a weak crossfire. However, it would have been nice if he was a free general that was unlocked with Model. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 19, 2021 19:59:33 GMT
Patton has Blitzkrieg, better for medium tanks. So Montgomery, Rokossovsky, Vatutin in that case for Heavy. Gunderian and Patton for medium. There is just one problem. What shall we do with Rundstedt? He is supposed to be good on tank. What a shame. I am not mentioning Rommel. He is probably also outclassed by Vatutin as I understand. In campaigns where you only have axis generals, only guderian and rommel are any good at tanks. So unless you want to buy Heinrici for tanks, Rundstedt exists as a third option. You have free Messe. There is no point to waste inf gen. He is much more useful with proper infantry unit. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 19, 2021 20:01:54 GMT
In campaigns where you only have axis generals, only guderian and rommel are any good at tanks. So unless you want to buy Heinrici for tanks, Rundstedt exists as a third option. I am starting to think Heinrici is overrated. Graziani is your only option for a third dedicated axis tank general (Bock doesn't count because he's a hybrid), Heinrici may have better mobility, but his skills are bad; just a weak victory rush and a weak crossfire. However, it would have been nice if he was a free general that was unlocked with Model. I mean Heinrici is slightly above average, but at least he is faster than graziani |
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Post by HangryBird on Mar 19, 2021 20:21:02 GMT
I am starting to think Heinrici is overrated. Graziani is your only option for a third dedicated axis tank general (Bock doesn't count because he's a hybrid), Heinrici may have better mobility, but his skills are bad; just a weak victory rush and a weak crossfire. However, it would have been nice if he was a free general that was unlocked with Model. I mean Heinrici is slightly above average, but at least he is faster than graziani I just said that's all Heinrici has: +2 movement. |
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Post by Port on Mar 20, 2021 0:29:01 GMT
3 heavy tanks= Patton/ Montgomery, Rokossovsky/ Montgomery, Vatutin. Patton has Blitzkrieg, better for medium tanks. So Montgomery, Rokossovsky, Vatutin in that case for Heavy. Gunderian and Patton for medium. There is just one problem. What shall we do with Rundstedt? He is supposed to be good on tank. What a shame. I am not mentioning Rommel. He is probably also outclassed by Vatutin as I understand. Well Rommel is Axis otherwise he is the best Heavy tanker. Vatutin and Rokossovsky/Montgomery is better than Montgomery and Rokossovsky simply because he is cheap and powerful. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 20, 2021 4:24:32 GMT
Patton has Blitzkrieg, better for medium tanks. So Montgomery, Rokossovsky, Vatutin in that case for Heavy. Gunderian and Patton for medium. There is just one problem. What shall we do with Rundstedt? He is supposed to be good on tank. What a shame. I am not mentioning Rommel. He is probably also outclassed by Vatutin as I understand. Well Rommel is Axis otherwise he is the best Heavy tanker. Vatutin and Rokossovsky/Montgomery is better than Montgomery and Rokossovsky simply because he is cheap and powerful. I like such reasons. In that case my reasons are: Rokossovsky and Montgomery are better than Rokossovsky/Montgomery + Vatutin simply because Roko&Monty are faster, stronger and more powerful than Vatutin. They are weapons of mass destruction  UPD: If we try to make this comparison seriously we should go make testing. I made such a testing some time ago using Cloud save in order to choose my first tank ally gen. Have You compared this gens in real battles? Not just according to the guides on the forum. I mean real gameplay. Vatutin can deal a tiny beat more damage in a single shot that's true. But even on medium tanks consecutive attacks are just so much more powerful and valuable for tank unit so Panzer Leader is much better than flat additional damage from Vatutin's Tide of Armor. This advantage is even bigger on Heavy tank of course. In case Vatutin would have Blitzkrieg instead of his lvl1 Desperate or even AntiArmor, ok he would be better option for medium than Roko/Montgomery. But now even if we put aside the mobility problems he's just weaker in damage dealing if we are comparing overall impact not just one single shot. That's why I don't like comparison like: ah, Monty has useless Ace Forces. Yes, but it doesn't mean he is weaker. Not all the skills are good. Imo many skills like Vatutin's Desperate aren't any good especially for tanks. Especially weak version of the skills. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 20, 2021 7:45:04 GMT
Well Rommel is Axis otherwise he is the best Heavy tanker. Vatutin and Rokossovsky/Montgomery is better than Montgomery and Rokossovsky simply because he is cheap and powerful. I like such reasons. In that case my reasons are: Rokossovsky and Montgomery are better than Rokossovsky/Montgomery + Vatutin simply because Roko&Monty are faster, stronger and more powerful than Vatutin. They are weapons of mass destruction UPD: If we try to make this comparison seriously we should go make testing. I made such a testing some time ago using Cloud save in order to choose my first tank ally gen. Have You compared this gens in real battles? Not just according to the guides on the forum. I mean real gameplay. Vatutin can deal a tiny beat more damage in a single shot that's true. But even on medium tanks consecutive attacks are just so much more powerful and valuable for tank unit so Panzer Leader is much better than flat additional damage from Vatutin's Tide of Armor. This advantage is even bigger on Heavy tank of course. In case Vatutin would have Blitzkrieg instead of his lvl1 Desperate or even AntiArmor, ok he would be better option for medium than Roko/Montgomery. But now even if we put aside the mobility problems he's just weaker in damage dealing if we are comparing overall impact not just one single shot. That's why I don't like comparison like: ah, Monty has useless Ace Forces. Yes, but it doesn't mean he is weaker. Not all the skills are good. Imo many skills like Vatutin's Desperate aren't any good especially for tanks. Especially weak version of the skills. OK, for the sake of the argument I bought Monty for a couple minutes Don't forget that Vatutin has Tide of Iron plus AA. That makes him far more efficient against armored units than Monty. Here I use my Lvl 4 T28   There were 10 attempts. An average damage of Monty is 58, an average damage of Vatutin is 75. It is quite a significant difference I would say... |
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Post by andrei on Mar 20, 2021 7:53:17 GMT
I like such reasons. In that case my reasons are: Rokossovsky and Montgomery are better than Rokossovsky/Montgomery + Vatutin simply because Roko&Monty are faster, stronger and more powerful than Vatutin. They are weapons of mass destruction UPD: If we try to make this comparison seriously we should go make testing. I made such a testing some time ago using Cloud save in order to choose my first tank ally gen. Have You compared this gens in real battles? Not just according to the guides on the forum. I mean real gameplay. Vatutin can deal a tiny beat more damage in a single shot that's true. But even on medium tanks consecutive attacks are just so much more powerful and valuable for tank unit so Panzer Leader is much better than flat additional damage from Vatutin's Tide of Armor. This advantage is even bigger on Heavy tank of course. In case Vatutin would have Blitzkrieg instead of his lvl1 Desperate or even AntiArmor, ok he would be better option for medium than Roko/Montgomery. But now even if we put aside the mobility problems he's just weaker in damage dealing if we are comparing overall impact not just one single shot. That's why I don't like comparison like: ah, Monty has useless Ace Forces. Yes, but it doesn't mean he is weaker. Not all the skills are good. Imo many skills like Vatutin's Desperate aren't any good especially for tanks. Especially weak version of the skills. OK, for the sake of the argument I bought Monty for a couple minutes Don't forget that Vatutin has Tide of Iron plus AA. That makes him far more efficient against armored units than Monty. Here I use my Lvl 4 T28 There were 10 attempts. An average damage of Monty is 58, an average damage of Vatutin is 75. It is quite a significant difference I would say... Yes, I know. I mentioned that one shot comparison is on Vatutin's side. Especially against armor due to his skill. But I compare overall value. Overall damage. Tank gen is not only to fight tanks. Important to mop up pesky infantry spam, be fast here and there, attack more often. Vatutin is just worse in all these situations. I fully agree his raw output is better, it's obvious for everybody. It's just simple math. We don't need guide to calculate it  |
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Post by stoic on Mar 20, 2021 8:17:07 GMT
OK, for the sake of the argument I bought Monty for a couple minutes Don't forget that Vatutin has Tide of Iron plus AA. That makes him far more efficient against armored units than Monty. Here I use my Lvl 4 T28 There were 10 attempts. An average damage of Monty is 58, an average damage of Vatutin is 75. It is quite a significant difference I would say... Yes, I know. I mentioned that one shot comparison is on Vatutin's side. Especially against armor due to his skill. But I compare overall value. Overall damage. Tank gen is not only to fight tanks. Important to mop up pesky infantry spam, be fast here and there, attack more often. Vatutin is just worse in all these situations. I fully agree his raw output is better, it's obvious for everybody. It's just simple math. We don't need guide to calculate it Probably not , but Vatutin is not only better against armored units, he is significantly better against armored units, we can't ignore it. I mentioned before that in my opinion T28 is the best tank for Vatutin because it is the fastest heavy tank in the game with 4 mobility bonus. It can compensate to a certain extent his slow movement. I think it is enough because the fog of war doesn't allow us to move our tanks as fast as they possibly can move. Air reconossence is not always possible and we are almost forced to use infantry as our front line troops, and Infantry is slower than tanks. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 20, 2021 8:25:11 GMT
Yes, I know. I mentioned that one shot comparison is on Vatutin's side. Especially against armor due to his skill. But I compare overall value. Overall damage. Tank gen is not only to fight tanks. Important to mop up pesky infantry spam, be fast here and there, attack more often. Vatutin is just worse in all these situations. I fully agree his raw output is better, it's obvious for everybody. It's just simple math. We don't need guide to calculate it Probably not , but Vatutin is not only better against armored units, he is significantly better against armored units, we can't ignore it. I mentioned before that in my opinion T28 is the best tank for Vatutin because it is the fastest heavy tank in the game with 4 mobility bonus. It can compensate to a certain extent his slow movement. I think it is enough because the fog of war doesn't allow us to move our tanks as fast as they possibly can move. Air reconossence is not always possible and we are almost forced to use infantry as our front line troops, and Infantry is slower than tanks. I don't have T28 |
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Post by stoic on Mar 20, 2021 8:32:37 GMT
Probably not , but Vatutin is not only better against armored units, he is significantly better against armored units, we can't ignore it. I mentioned before that in my opinion T28 is the best tank for Vatutin because it is the fastest heavy tank in the game with 4 mobility bonus. It can compensate to a certain extent his slow movement. I think it is enough because the fog of war doesn't allow us to move our tanks as fast as they possibly can move. Air reconossence is not always possible and we are almost forced to use infantry as our front line troops, and Infantry is slower than tanks. I don't have T28 BTW, there are a couple of threads with maxed Special forces. So that you can check all bonuses... |
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Post by stoic on Mar 20, 2021 8:33:31 GMT
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Post by andrei on Mar 20, 2021 8:39:11 GMT
Yeah, I saw the thread last week. Just don't like this additional terms while comparing As this bonuses are added to both sides. But, yeah, agree mobility could be somewhat fixed by T28. It's just additional condition You need to plan and think about. |
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Post by Amazing on Mar 24, 2021 17:55:13 GMT
I don't care for the Axis generals as I found the Allies Campaign much more fun. I did -some- testing on the generals before choosing them so here is my 2 cents and I'll try to rank them on a curve and according to price. Tanks - Patton - Excellent. Probably the best Medium Tank User. I never used him because I didn't like using Medium Tanks for the Allies Campaign. Vatutin - Excellent. Probably the best KV6 user. Even in Pacific 45 with a maxed Armor Tech and Maxed KV6, he is one-shoting any non special forces infantry. Desperate is kinda meh though. Only Tank General I bought to perfect clear the Allies campaign. Timoshenko - Great. He is Free. He has Tide of Iron (imo the best tank skill). He has Armored Assault. He was always my 2nd tank option and enough for me to clear the campaign. LeClerc - Average. He is Free. I used him at the start and for 44. Nothing else to add. Roko - Average. His 3 stars on Tanks hurts him, Machinist also hurts him. He is also more expensive than Vatutin. If you need a Medium tanker, just get Patton. If you need a Heavy Tanker, just get Vatutin. If you need a 3rd tank, use Timoshenko. Montgomery - Bad. Ace Forces is pointless since you're probably going to Tech your Armor first usually. Machinist doesn't really help either. In really no circumstances should you consider him. Just get Patton. He is 30 medals more. Arty - Govorov - Excellent. Best Arty General on the Allies. Chuikov - Excellent. 2nd Best Arty General. And you get him for Free. Voronov - Good. Don't know why you would need a 3rd Arty General. But I guess he is the 3rd best and cheap. Alexander - Bad. I mean he is free so he is usable but since we're grading on a curve you will never use him once you get Govorov. Navy - Nimitz - Good. He is the best Navy General on the Allies. Its just that you won't really need him so its kinda pointless to waste so many medals on him and thus I can't give a higher grade. Cunningham - Good. He is free. He is the only pure Naval General I used. Enough Said. Spruance - Good. Best value naval general. Mountbatten - Average. I had a hard time grading him. He's not expensive enough to be graded bad. I'd also take him before Nimitz since the Allies missions are easier. Air Force - Halsey - Excellent. Probably the best valued Allies General. Air Force Cluster is Amazing. Novikov - Good. Cheap Air Force Option. Arnold - Average. He is Free and he is also a General in 45 which helps. Dowding - Bad. I didn't know where to rank him so I put him under Air Force since he has the most Air Force Stars. 5 Stars on Air Force doesn't save the face that he doesn't have Air Force Cluster. Also I don't understand Paratrooper so maybe he suits a different playstyle. If I wanted a paratrooper, I'd just get an Infantry general but that's just me. Infantry - (I left this for last because I think my opinion differs from most) MacArthur - Excellent. Probably the best Allied Infantry General. Being in 45 helps as well. Vasilevsky - Great. I think he is a bit overpriced. Ace Forces also doesn't help. He is also the best defensive Allied General and there are many missions that the Allies need to hold cities which bumps him up. Malinovsky - Good. Really Cheap Infantry Option. Clark - Good. Great Skills. Being in 44 and Having Amphibious in 44 is amazing. Bumps him up a bit for that fact. Slim. - Average. MacArthur Lite. If you're going to get Slim, why not save a bit more and get MacArthur instead. The fact that he and MacArthur are both in 45 drops him a little. Support? De Gaulle - Unranked. I didn't know where to put him. I also don't know how to rank him. He is the only support general but for that many medals you could pretty much have your pick of generals. Again, these are just my opinions which suit my playstyle |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 24, 2021 18:13:46 GMT
Montgomery - Bad. Ace Forces is pointless since you're probably going to Tech your Armor first usually. Machinist doesn't really help either. In really no circumstances should you consider him. Just get Patton. He is 30 medals more. I honestly prefer Monty To Patton (in-game, that is). Panzer Leader is an Additional Level on Monty, which is an excellent skill. Blitzkrieg is as useless as Ace Forces, because I don't put my Gens on Medium tanks because they are so expensive to fix. Lastly, Machinist is about equal to Accuracy strike, because heavy tanks are expensive to recruit, so if Monty is near to one stack, then just replenish him and he will be at two stacks again. |
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