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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 15:09:14 GMT
Well sometimes gameplay balance needed over historical accuracy. If easytech made a realistic army group set in 1942 North Africa, Greece would be occupied by the axis and all the French territories would be neutral. Then, isn't original one perfect? French territoires from 1939. British Territory from 1939. German territoires from 1941 and 1942. Italian from pre-1942-43. Greek from 1939. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 19, 2021 15:11:07 GMT
Well sometimes gameplay balance needed over historical accuracy. If easytech made a realistic army group set in 1942 North Africa, Greece would be occupied by the axis and all the French territories would be neutral. Then, isn't original one perfect? Not the western part. Since the western part of the North African campaign only opened after Operation Torch, I believe I need to include the Americans. Also, the map I am referring to is the second one, not the first one. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 19, 2021 15:12:31 GMT
Then, isn't original one perfect? French territoires from 1939. British Territory from 1939. German territoires from 1941 and 1942. Italian from pre-1942-43. Greek from 1939. Problem is that France surrendered before large scale fighting in North Africa happened between them and the Italians. So that's why I'm not satisfied with the current setup. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 15:15:01 GMT
French territoires from 1939. British Territory from 1939. German territoires from 1941 and 1942. Italian from pre-1942-43. Greek from 1939. Problem is that France surrendered before large scale fighting in North Africa happened between them and the Italians. So that's why I'm not satisfied with the current setup. Because they were defeated mainland by Germany that no fighting became necessary and neither happened due to fear of them joining British side. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 19, 2021 15:19:46 GMT
Problem is that France surrendered before large scale fighting in North Africa happened between them and the Italians. So that's why I'm not satisfied with the current setup. Because they were defeated mainland by Germany that no fighting became necessary and neither happened due to fear of them joining British side. So that's why I feel like I could improve historical accuracy while maintaining gameplay balance by making the French territories in the West reflect their state after Operation Torch. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 15:21:35 GMT
Because they were defeated mainland by Germany that no fighting became necessary and neither happened due to fear of them joining British side. So that's why I feel like I could improve historical accuracy while maintaining gameplay balance by making the French territories in the West reflect their state after Operation Torch. It is showing already, but ok, Americans (and British) deserve credit for Operation torch, so put some British units also. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 19, 2021 15:26:21 GMT
So that's why I feel like I could improve historical accuracy while maintaining gameplay balance by making the French territories in the West reflect their state after Operation Torch. It is showing already, but ok, Americans (and British) deserve credit for Operation torch, so put some British units also. Yeah, I feel like it's better to reflect Operation Torch instead of some skirmishes in French North Africa before peace was signed. I'm thinking about adding a British army group in west, but it will depend on calculating the incomes of the army groups to see if I can fit it in. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 19, 2021 15:27:40 GMT
It is showing already, but ok, Americans (and British) deserve credit for Operation torch, so put some British units also. Yeah, I feel like it's better to reflect Operation Torch instead of some skirmishes in French North Africa before peace was signed. I'm thinking about adding a British army group in west, but it will depend on calculating the incomes of the army groups to see if I can fit it in. What about having scripted American reinforcements on turn 15, putting French North Africa in the war? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 15:30:00 GMT
It is showing already, but ok, Americans (and British) deserve credit for Operation torch, so put some British units also. Yeah, I feel like it's better to reflect Operation Torch instead of some skirmishes in French North Africa before peace was signed. I'm thinking about adding a British army group in west, but it will depend on calculating the incomes of the army groups to see if I can fit it in. It should be part of the expeditionary army, only few provinces and most of navy present there. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 19, 2021 15:32:35 GMT
I think I'm going to go with the 2nd map for North Africa. So far, I'm thinking about what generals each army group will use. This is all subject to change. Free French Army Group: De Gaulle, Leclerc American Army Group: Eisenhower, Patton, Bradley British Army Group: Montgomery, Alexander, Cunningham Greek Army Group: Papagos German Army Group A: Kesselring, Guderian? German Army Group B: Rommel, Brauchitsch, Italian First Army Group: Badoglio, Messe, Riccardi Italian Second Army Group: Graziani, Cavallero I'm looking for a historically accurate and very strong general that could accompany Kesselring in German A. If you have any alternatives to Guderian, I'll consider them. To me, Guderian fits what I'm looking for the best. Strong, yes, but historically accurate, only a little bit. Guderian became Inspector General of Armoured Troops in March 1943 and his responsibilities were to oversee the panzer arm and the training of panzer forces. All he was able to was improve tank destroyers and fix flaws in third generation tanks, like the famous Tiger Tank, which saw action in the Tunisian Campaign. The historical accuracy of putting in Guderian is very shaky, but it's better than nothing I guess. Easytech really needs to add more German generals that fought in Africa. What of Vichy? I would make it that French Africa is neutral until American reinforcements come to the map turn 15-ish, and then it turns into a split between the allied and Vichy territories, because the Americans landed in Africa in '43, long after Greece was taken. Problem is that easytech usually does not do scripted reinforcements. There are of course exceptions: I heard that in EW6: 1914, there are some German naval reinforcements in a conquest. Second problem is that all the army groups join the war immediately. The reworks are about what I believe easytech could realistically do to improve their army groups. Things that are uncharacteristic of easytech to implement in certain game series will not be considered. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 19, 2021 15:36:37 GMT
I think I'm going to go with the 2nd map for North Africa. So far, I'm thinking about what generals each army group will use. This is all subject to change. Free French Army Group: De Gaulle, Leclerc American Army Group: Eisenhower, Patton, Bradley British Army Group: Montgomery, Alexander, Cunningham Greek Army Group: Papagos German Army Group A: Kesselring, Guderian? German Army Group B: Rommel, Brauchitsch, Italian First Army Group: Badoglio, Messe, Riccardi Italian Second Army Group: Graziani, Cavallero I'm looking for a historically accurate and very strong general that could accompany Kesselring in German A. If you have any alternatives to Guderian, I'll consider them. To me, Guderian fits what I'm looking for the best. Strong, yes, but historically accurate, only a little bit. Guderian became Inspector General of Armoured Troops in March 1943 and his responsibilities were to oversee the panzer arm and the training of panzer forces. All he was able to was improve tank destroyers and fix flaws in third generation tanks, like the famous Tiger Tank, which saw action in the Tunisian Campaign. The historical accuracy of putting in Guderian is very shaky, but it's better than nothing I guess. Easytech really needs to add more German generals that fought in Africa. For an alternative to Guderian, they could (although shakily, as he went into Africa in '43) add one great Panzer General into the game: Baron Hasso Erich Von Manteuffel. If you want, Brautchitsch is possible, or Keitel, being in High command. Referring to my other comment about the reworks being about what easytech could realistically do to improve their army groups, this is very unlikely. Unless this general gets added in an update, I'm not going to use him. Which is a shame because he was important to the founding of the Bundeswehr. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 19, 2021 15:38:44 GMT
Yeah, I feel like it's better to reflect Operation Torch instead of some skirmishes in French North Africa before peace was signed. I'm thinking about adding a British army group in west, but it will depend on calculating the incomes of the army groups to see if I can fit it in. It should be part of the expeditionary army, only few provinces and most of navy present there. I'd like to give them an economy that's at least as strong as Greece's. They would look really out of place if they only had a few provinces. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 15:40:29 GMT
It should be part of the expeditionary army, only few provinces and most of navy present there. I'd like to give them an economy that's at least as strong as Greece's. They would look really out of place if they only had a few provinces. It should be part of the only British army group. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 19, 2021 15:43:45 GMT
I'd like to give them an economy that's at least as strong as Greece's. They would look really out of place if they only had a few provinces. It should be part of the only British army group. Hmmm. . . I didn't think about just keeping all the territory under one army group. That could work. I misunderstood what you meant by the expeditionary army, since I thought you meant the Allied forces in the West, rather than the British army group itself. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 19, 2021 18:29:02 GMT
Yeah, I feel like it's better to reflect Operation Torch instead of some skirmishes in French North Africa before peace was signed. I'm thinking about adding a British army group in west, but it will depend on calculating the incomes of the army groups to see if I can fit it in. What about having scripted American reinforcements on turn 15, putting French North Africa in the war? Forgot to mention that this would screw heavily with gameplay balance, allowing the axis to get 15 free turns to deal with the east before turning to the west. |
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