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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 21, 2024 19:28:36 GMT
I didn't expect seeing Patton in 2024. How is your EC built? What medal sets do you have on your generals? I beat 1943 Mongolia well below 35 turns. 2 tank ECs with expropriation, 1 infantry EC with camouflage coating, Govorov with arty + movement, Bittrich with air * 2, and Katukov with tank * 2. My forces entered Europe much earlier than yours, and the tank ECs can wipe out the enemies with ease. I deployed Govorov and the infantry EC to quickly take Changchun, and sent them and the 2 tank ECs to Kiev-Bucharest region. From there I split forces with the tank ECs and Bittrich deployed in Berlin wiping up Europe and Govorov and infantry EC to Africa. Katukov stayed in Asia and pushed all the way down the continent. I'm very interested in how you beat Mexico and Brazil with that lineup. Can you go more detailed on how you did it? I wasn't expecting such a strong lineup for you Erich von Manstein  That's my artillery EC btw with fire suppression lv1 (usual EC setup), Guderian with lv1 expropriation, Katukov with lv1 panzer tactical master, Patton with tank and assault medals, Govorov with artillery and marching medals, and Sikorski with artillery and combo medals. Compared to your setup it's pretty weak in comparison, no wonder you said you did it under 35 turns, that lineup is crazy strong lol For Mexico and Brazil, I simply took Colombia for extra income, then land in Portugal for conquering Europe with FA spam  . 1 tank general is sent for Abyssinia obviously , and for Japan, 1 infantry is enough to wait for an opportunity to take Tokyo, and the US navy simply destroys the Japanese army on the island for me . 3 tank generals and 3 artillery generals used. Overall the process is as follows: Take Colombia -> Take Dakar & Casablanca -> Land in Portugal / Sevilla -> FA spam -> Take Abyssinia -> Land in Tokyo -> Take Osaka, Yokohama, Sapporo -> Finish off Germany, Italy, Finland and others in Europe -> Finish off Japan with airstrikes -> win I wanna try this with Cuba but I'm too lazy  pardon me I'm already in the 44th century in game buddy. Just think about how many medals I got from all that time. Where were each of your generals deployed? On what unit? Which directions did they go? What's the medal level of Patton Govorov and Sikorski? What are the ranks of your generals? Did you invest into ion cannon? Was Tokyo always open for you? Any time the infantry unit died on its way there? Did you deploy an air general? I'm genuinely surprised that it's doable with such an inexpensive lineup. Can't imagine doing it without a tank EC. |
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Post by Just One Bite on Apr 18, 2024 3:17:12 GMT
I wasn't expecting such a strong lineup for you Erich von Manstein That's my artillery EC btw with fire suppression lv1 (usual EC setup), Guderian with lv1 expropriation, Katukov with lv1 panzer tactical master, Patton with tank and assault medals, Govorov with artillery and marching medals, and Sikorski with artillery and combo medals. Compared to your setup it's pretty weak in comparison, no wonder you said you did it under 35 turns, that lineup is crazy strong lol For Mexico and Brazil, I simply took Colombia for extra income, then land in Portugal for conquering Europe with FA spam . 1 tank general is sent for Abyssinia obviously , and for Japan, 1 infantry is enough to wait for an opportunity to take Tokyo, and the US navy simply destroys the Japanese army on the island for me . 3 tank generals and 3 artillery generals used. Overall the process is as follows: Take Colombia -> Take Dakar & Casablanca -> Land in Portugal / Sevilla -> FA spam -> Take Abyssinia -> Land in Tokyo -> Take Osaka, Yokohama, Sapporo -> Finish off Germany, Italy, Finland and others in Europe -> Finish off Japan with airstrikes -> win I wanna try this with Cuba but I'm too lazy pardon me I'm already in the 44th century in game buddy. Just think about how many medals I got from all that time. Where were each of your generals deployed? On what unit? Which directions did they go? What's the medal level of Patton Govorov and Sikorski? What are the ranks of your generals? Did you invest into ion cannon? Was Tokyo always open for you? Any time the infantry unit died on its way there? Did you deploy an air general? I'm genuinely surprised that it's doable with such an inexpensive lineup. Can't imagine doing it without a tank EC. (Apologies for the late reply, finally got some free time) Oh boy... you're almost asking for a mini guide for Mexico and Brazil huh... Brazil: Katukov and Guderian on the first 2 tanks, create 2 field artillery and place artillery EC and Sikorski on them, send them all to Dakar and work their way up to Spain. Mexico: Guderian and artillery EC on the tank and field artillery, and send them to Portugal except Camacho who will be sent to Abyssinia instead. The remaining generals will be placed on tanks and field artillery from Lisbon. Patton level 4 tank and level 2 assault, Govorov level 3 artillery and marching, Sikorski level 3 artillery and level 2 combo. Artillery EC and Patton L generals, Guderian, Govorov, Katukov, Sikorski M general. Ion cannon is not used for all my conquests. I have level 1 ion cannon though. Yes. Tokyo is always open, it's just the timing of it to place my light infantry without it getting killed. Usually I let it hang out in the ocean until the US carriers are touching the land and there aren't defending Japanese army, which indicates it's safe to land there. Air general is not needed, I mainly use field artillery swarm to conquer Europe (for Mexico and Brazil), and for Japan I use air power to capture cities quickly using the economy buildup from European cities. As for Mongolia, I'll put a star with a disclaimer on it. Is that good for you Erich von Manstein ? |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 18, 2024 7:37:12 GMT
I'm already in the 44th century in game buddy. Just think about how many medals I got from all that time. Where were each of your generals deployed? On what unit? Which directions did they go? What's the medal level of Patton Govorov and Sikorski? What are the ranks of your generals? Did you invest into ion cannon? Was Tokyo always open for you? Any time the infantry unit died on its way there? Did you deploy an air general? I'm genuinely surprised that it's doable with such an inexpensive lineup. Can't imagine doing it without a tank EC. (Apologies for the late reply, finally got some free time) Oh boy... you're almost asking for a mini guide for Mexico and Brazil huh... Brazil: Katukov and Guderian on the first 2 tanks, create 2 field artillery and place artillery EC and Sikorski on them, send them all to Dakar and work their way up to Spain. Mexico: Guderian and artillery EC on the tank and field artillery, and send them to Portugal except Camacho who will be sent to Abyssinia instead. The remaining generals will be placed on tanks and field artillery from Lisbon. Patton level 4 tank and level 2 assault, Govorov level 3 artillery and marching, Sikorski level 3 artillery and level 2 combo. Artillery EC and Patton L generals, Guderian, Govorov, Katukov, Sikorski M general. Ion cannon is not used for all my conquests. I have level 1 ion cannon though. Yes. Tokyo is always open, it's just the timing of it to place my line infantry without it getting killed. Usually I let it hang out in the ocean until the US carriers are touching the land and there aren't defending Japanese army, which indicates it's safe to land there. Air general is not needed, I mainly use field artillery swarm to conquer Europe (for Mexico and Brazil), and for Japan I use air power to capture cities quickly using the economy buildup from European cities. As for Mongolia, I'll put a star with a disclaimer on it. Is that good for you Erich von Manstein? Thanks for the detailed response. I'm surprised you didn't use an air general to speed up your progress in Asia. The disclaimer makes sense. The only point of using Mongolia is super tank, and obviously we need the tank EC to get the best out of it. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 20, 2024 8:57:25 GMT
I'm already in the 44th century in game buddy. Just think about how many medals I got from all that time. Where were each of your generals deployed? On what unit? Which directions did they go? What's the medal level of Patton Govorov and Sikorski? What are the ranks of your generals? Did you invest into ion cannon? Was Tokyo always open for you? Any time the infantry unit died on its way there? Did you deploy an air general? I'm genuinely surprised that it's doable with such an inexpensive lineup. Can't imagine doing it without a tank EC. (Apologies for the late reply, finally got some free time) Oh boy... you're almost asking for a mini guide for Mexico and Brazil huh... Brazil: Katukov and Guderian on the first 2 tanks, create 2 field artillery and place artillery EC and Sikorski on them, send them all to Dakar and work their way up to Spain. Mexico: Guderian and artillery EC on the tank and field artillery, and send them to Portugal except Camacho who will be sent to Abyssinia instead. The remaining generals will be placed on tanks and field artillery from Lisbon. Patton level 4 tank and level 2 assault, Govorov level 3 artillery and marching, Sikorski level 3 artillery and level 2 combo. Artillery EC and Patton L generals, Guderian, Govorov, Katukov, Sikorski M general. Ion cannon is not used for all my conquests. I have level 1 ion cannon though. Yes. Tokyo is always open, it's just the timing of it to place my light infantry without it getting killed. Usually I let it hang out in the ocean until the US carriers are touching the land and there aren't defending Japanese army, which indicates it's safe to land there. Air general is not needed, I mainly use field artillery swarm to conquer Europe (for Mexico and Brazil), and for Japan I use air power to capture cities quickly using the economy buildup from European cities. As for Mongolia, I'll put a star with a disclaimer on it. Is that good for you Erich von Manstein ? I tried Mexico with a lineup similar to yours. Have to say it's far from satisfactory. Not sure if it's because I'm not skilled enough. First it took ~10 turns to reach Portugal, and then it took me 15 turns to take Lyon and Paris. By that time I only have Konev with 5+4 arty (simulating EC) and Patton left. FA spam is powerful but it's also very slow, thus unfit for the tight speedrun requirement. I did manage to steal Tokyo, but once I control the Japanese mainland I can hardly progress any further as I can't afford to deal with the Japanese troops in China. I can't think of how to do it with my lineup, let alone yours. This is a big favor to ask but can you show me a complete run through of Mexico? I would greatly appreciate it. |
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Post by Just One Bite on Apr 20, 2024 17:57:51 GMT
(Apologies for the late reply, finally got some free time) Oh boy... you're almost asking for a mini guide for Mexico and Brazil huh... Brazil: Katukov and Guderian on the first 2 tanks, create 2 field artillery and place artillery EC and Sikorski on them, send them all to Dakar and work their way up to Spain. Mexico: Guderian and artillery EC on the tank and field artillery, and send them to Portugal except Camacho who will be sent to Abyssinia instead. The remaining generals will be placed on tanks and field artillery from Lisbon. Patton level 4 tank and level 2 assault, Govorov level 3 artillery and marching, Sikorski level 3 artillery and level 2 combo. Artillery EC and Patton L generals, Guderian, Govorov, Katukov, Sikorski M general. Ion cannon is not used for all my conquests. I have level 1 ion cannon though. Yes. Tokyo is always open, it's just the timing of it to place my light infantry without it getting killed. Usually I let it hang out in the ocean until the US carriers are touching the land and there aren't defending Japanese army, which indicates it's safe to land there. Air general is not needed, I mainly use field artillery swarm to conquer Europe (for Mexico and Brazil), and for Japan I use air power to capture cities quickly using the economy buildup from European cities. As for Mongolia, I'll put a star with a disclaimer on it. Is that good for you Erich von Manstein ? I tried Mexico with a lineup similar to yours. Have to say it's far from satisfactory. Not sure if it's because I'm not skilled enough. First it took ~10 turns to reach Portugal, and then it took me 15 turns to take Lyon and Paris. By that time I only have Konev with 5+4 arty (simulating EC) and Patton left. FA spam is powerful but it's also very slow, thus unfit for the tight speedrun requirement. I did manage to steal Tokyo, but once I control the Japanese mainland I can hardly progress any further as I can't afford to deal with the Japanese troops in China. I can't think of how to do it with my lineup, let alone yours. This is a big favor to ask but can you show me a complete run through of Mexico? I would greatly appreciate it. Sure, but I'm busy this week, so don't expect it anytime soon, sorry about that. I wonder if I should make a new thread since posting multiple pictures take up a lot of space here, which could be bothersome for people searching for the rankings scattered around here. |
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Post by Just One Bite on Apr 21, 2024 14:36:28 GMT
Erich von Manstein, it's been quite some time since I did this conquest so what I did here is a little bit different. (I almost got 35 turns, I do need an air general for this one)  Turn 5, one light infantry otw to Japan, Guderian and Artillery EC went to Sevilla, the rest heads to Colombia.  Turn 10, finished Colombia, landing at Sevilla successful  Turn 15, Madrid is captured and liberation of Lyon, Marseille ensues. Camacho and his team landed on Africa.  Turn 20, generals deployed to invade Italy, and mainlnd France liberated with help from US troops and navy. Camacho and his team advances across Africa.  Turn 25, Camacho faces surprisingly heavy resistance and is forced to retreat.  On the other hand, mainland Italy liberated, Katukov and Patton advances to Berlin (Brussels exchanged hands a few times)  Turn 30, Egypt captured with difficulty, the last city of Abyssinia remains. Luckily Graziani is busy with the UK troops, but Badoglio remains stubborn attacking the small city of mine.  Europe is almost liberated. Some cities were taken by nukes and air force, except Warsaw and Minsk which have heavy defenses. (Eichelburger helped a lot here but he killed Patton in the process)  Apparently Japan in this run advanced way forward that Lhasa is captured. 35 turns looks wayyyy too unlikely because only Chongking and New Delhi links directly to it from air.  35th turn. Europe is fully liberated. Japan however…  The sheer disappointment… 1000 coins remaining and there's still half of Japan left. Ended up taking 39 turns instead for this run.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 21, 2024 17:39:30 GMT
Erich von Manstein, it's been quite some time since I did this conquest so what I did here is a little bit different. (I almost got 35 turns, I do need an air general for this one) Turn 5, one light infantry otw to Japan, Guderian and Artillery EC went to Sevilla, the rest heads to Colombia. Turn 10, finished Colombia, landing at Sevilla successful Turn 15, Madrid is captured and liberation of Lyon, Marseille ensues. Camacho and his team landed on Africa. Turn 20, generals deployed to invade Italy, and mainlnd France liberated with help from US troops and navy. Camacho and his team advances across Africa. Turn 25, Camacho faces surprisingly heavy resistance and is forced to retreat. On the other hand, mainland Italy liberated, Katukov and Patton advances to Berlin (Brussels exchanged hands a few times) Turn 30, Egypt captured with difficulty, the last city of Abyssinia remains. Luckily Graziani is busy with the UK troops, but Badoglio remains stubborn attacking the small city of mine. Europe is almost liberated. Some cities were taken by nukes and air force, except Warsaw and Minsk which have heavy defenses. (Eichelburger helped a lot here but he killed Patton in the process) Apparently Japan in this run advanced way forward that Lhasa is captured. 35 turns looks wayyyy too unlikely because only Chongking and New Delhi links directly to it from air. 35th turn. Europe is fully liberated. Japan however… The sheer disappointment… 1000 coins remaining and there's still half of Japan left. Ended up taking 39 turns instead for this run. I saw that coming. Japan doesn't have nukes like Germany and Italy, but it doesn't mean you don't need a general (or 2) to deal with them. Using AF alone will be costly. Have you done a 35 with any of Mexico Brazil and Cuba? Do you have a screenshot of completion? Mongolia is the best (and perhaps the only) choice for 1943 speedrunning, you need that super tank. 1943 is the hardest map anyway so it makes sense to have a better lineup for it. Same reason ROC is the best option for 2 star nation. |
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Post by Just One Bite on Apr 22, 2024 9:07:41 GMT
I saw that coming. Japan doesn't have nukes like Germany and Italy, but it doesn't mean you don't need a general (or 2) to deal with them. Using AF alone will be costly. Have you done a 35 with any of Mexico Brazil and Cuba? Do you have a screenshot of completion? Mongolia is the best (and perhaps the only) choice for 1943 speedrunning, you need that super tank. 1943 is the hardest map anyway so it makes sense to have a better lineup for it. Same reason ROC is the best option for 2 star nation. It's a failed run, but generalizing it as impossible to 35 seems too far-fetched. I done 35 with Mexico and Brazil so that's why I put the * there. It does seem like Mongolia is the best as it's the most consistent to get 35, Mexico and Brazil are more RNG dependent. What about Egypt? I done that with 35 as well. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 22, 2024 11:24:52 GMT
I saw that coming. Japan doesn't have nukes like Germany and Italy, but it doesn't mean you don't need a general (or 2) to deal with them. Using AF alone will be costly. Have you done a 35 with any of Mexico Brazil and Cuba? Do you have a screenshot of completion? Mongolia is the best (and perhaps the only) choice for 1943 speedrunning, you need that super tank. 1943 is the hardest map anyway so it makes sense to have a better lineup for it. Same reason ROC is the best option for 2 star nation. It's a failed run, but generalizing it as impossible to 35 seems too far-fetched. I done 35 with Mexico and Brazil so that's why I put the * there. It does seem like Mongolia is the best as it's the most consistent to get 35, Mexico and Brazil are more RNG dependent. What about Egypt? I done that with 35 as well. I'm not generalizing it as impossible, at least right now. I'd rather say I have some very serious concern with Mexico/Brazil and I didn't see you successfully addressing it. If you can show me how you can do it within 35 I'd appreciate it and be very impressed. I'm not surprised that I can't do it, but if you cannot reproduce the outcome then that suggests either the standard of recommend lineup should be raised or it's not an optimal choice. It could be the former as you have a pretty basic squad. Egypt is doable but I wasn't that comfortable with it. Maybe it's because I'm already too dependent on super tank. Asia was frustrating. But yeah definitely worthy of asterisk. |
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Post by Just One Bite on Apr 22, 2024 14:33:11 GMT
It's a failed run, but generalizing it as impossible to 35 seems too far-fetched. I done 35 with Mexico and Brazil so that's why I put the * there. It does seem like Mongolia is the best as it's the most consistent to get 35, Mexico and Brazil are more RNG dependent. What about Egypt? I done that with 35 as well. I'm not generalizing it as impossible, at least right now. I'd rather say I have some very serious concern with Mexico/Brazil and I didn't see you successfully addressing it. If you can show me how you can do it within 35 I'd appreciate it and be very impressed. I'm not surprised that I can't do it, but if you cannot reproduce the outcome then that suggests either the standard of recommend lineup should be raised or it's not an optimal choice. It could be the former as you have a pretty basic squad. Egypt is doable but I wasn't that comfortable with it. Maybe it's because I'm already too dependent on super tank. Asia was frustrating. But yeah definitely worthy of asterisk. Come to think of it, if even I think that Mexico and Brazil is not reliable for 35 turns, then what about the others that have weaker lineup… so I decided to remove the * entirely. That leaves only Mongolia and Egypt. I do need to thank you Erich von Manstein for fact-checking the tier list, that was a complete oversight for me. Seems like I'm not immune to ranking bias when I probably got either a lucky run or a bad run for some conquests. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 23, 2024 2:28:14 GMT
I'm not generalizing it as impossible, at least right now. I'd rather say I have some very serious concern with Mexico/Brazil and I didn't see you successfully addressing it. If you can show me how you can do it within 35 I'd appreciate it and be very impressed. I'm not surprised that I can't do it, but if you cannot reproduce the outcome then that suggests either the standard of recommend lineup should be raised or it's not an optimal choice. It could be the former as you have a pretty basic squad. Egypt is doable but I wasn't that comfortable with it. Maybe it's because I'm already too dependent on super tank. Asia was frustrating. But yeah definitely worthy of asterisk. Come to think of it, if even I think that Mexico and Brazil is not reliable for 35 turns, then what about the others that have weaker lineup… so I decided to remove the * entirely. That leaves only Mongolia and Egypt. I do need to thank you Erich von Manstein for fact-checking the tier list, that was a complete oversight for me. Seems like I'm not immune to ranking bias when I probably got either a lucky run or a bad run for some conquests. 1943 is actually the hardest speedrun and should be done last, so you can expect a stronger lineup. But yeah if you can't consistently solve the problem then the beginners will even less likely be able to solve them. For Egypt's strategy in Asia, I saw a new idea yesterday: avoid the Japanese forces in eastern China, go directly to Changchun-Sapporo-Tokyo (it's fine if you can't take Changchun and Sapporo. Tokyo is the real big deal), and take the Japanese homeland with missiles. And then you can leave the Asian front as is and focus on Europe. Once you beat Germany and Italy, work backwards to China and southeast Asia. Sorta like what you do with Mexico, except you have a lot more income thanks to the cities occupied in Europe. I did this without EC in 32 turns. My 6 generals are Guderian, M Gen Govorov, Patton (I banned my ECs and Katukov), M Gen Sikorski, Goring, and Sansonetti. All with 2 lvl 3 unit medals except Govorov with lvl 4 artillery + lvl 3 movement. Govorov Sikorski and Patton work towards Berlin through the Balkans. Guderian to Asia, taking Baghdad and Tehran on his way. Goring and Sansonetti are deployed in Berlin and Bangkok. Beginners can replace Patton and Sansonetti with EC and promoted Bittrich. My tech is maxed. |
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Post by Just One Bite on Apr 24, 2024 13:45:06 GMT
Come to think of it, if even I think that Mexico and Brazil is not reliable for 35 turns, then what about the others that have weaker lineup… so I decided to remove the * entirely. That leaves only Mongolia and Egypt. I do need to thank you Erich von Manstein for fact-checking the tier list, that was a complete oversight for me. Seems like I'm not immune to ranking bias when I probably got either a lucky run or a bad run for some conquests. 1943 is actually the hardest speedrun and should be done last, so you can expect a stronger lineup. But yeah if you can't consistently solve the problem then the beginners will even less likely be able to solve them. For Egypt's strategy in Asia, I saw a new idea yesterday: avoid the Japanese forces in eastern China, go directly to Changchun-Sapporo-Tokyo (it's fine if you can't take Changchun and Sapporo. Tokyo is the real big deal), and take the Japanese homeland with missiles. And then you can leave the Asian front as is and focus on Europe. Once you beat Germany and Italy, work backwards to China and southeast Asia. Sorta like what you do with Mexico, except you have a lot more income thanks to the cities occupied in Europe. I did this without EC in 32 turns. My 6 generals are Guderian, M Gen Govorov, Patton (I banned my ECs and Katukov), M Gen Sikorski, Goring, and Sansonetti. All with 2 lvl 3 unit medals except Govorov with lvl 4 artillery + lvl 3 movement. Govorov Sikorski and Patton work towards Berlin through the Balkans. Guderian to Asia, taking Baghdad and Tehran on his way. Goring and Sansonetti are deployed in Berlin and Bangkok. Beginners can replace Patton and Sansonetti with EC and promoted Bittrich. My tech is maxed. Good strategy. Hopefully beginners can employ your strategy to make Egypt easier. Changchun is indeed less defended compared to Southeast Asia and only Itagaki needed to worry about. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 24, 2024 14:01:32 GMT
1943 is actually the hardest speedrun and should be done last, so you can expect a stronger lineup. But yeah if you can't consistently solve the problem then the beginners will even less likely be able to solve them. For Egypt's strategy in Asia, I saw a new idea yesterday: avoid the Japanese forces in eastern China, go directly to Changchun-Sapporo-Tokyo (it's fine if you can't take Changchun and Sapporo. Tokyo is the real big deal), and take the Japanese homeland with missiles. And then you can leave the Asian front as is and focus on Europe. Once you beat Germany and Italy, work backwards to China and southeast Asia. Sorta like what you do with Mexico, except you have a lot more income thanks to the cities occupied in Europe. I did this without EC in 32 turns. My 6 generals are Guderian, M Gen Govorov, Patton (I banned my ECs and Katukov), M Gen Sikorski, Goring, and Sansonetti. All with 2 lvl 3 unit medals except Govorov with lvl 4 artillery + lvl 3 movement. Govorov Sikorski and Patton work towards Berlin through the Balkans. Guderian to Asia, taking Baghdad and Tehran on his way. Goring and Sansonetti are deployed in Berlin and Bangkok. Beginners can replace Patton and Sansonetti with EC and promoted Bittrich. My tech is maxed. Good strategy. Hopefully beginners can employ your strategy to make Egypt easier. Changchun is indeed less defended compared to Southeast Asia and only Itagaki needed to worry about. By the time you reach Changchun, Itagaki is no longer a problem. He's either dead or too far away. I highly recommend maxing out tech before attempting the conquest speedrun. It's not that laborious anymore thanks to 1939 and 1950 challenge conquest semi auto. |
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That's my artillery EC btw with fire suppression lv1 (usual EC setup), Guderian with lv1 expropriation, Katukov with lv1 panzer tactical master, Patton with tank and assault medals, Govorov with artillery and marching medals, and Sikorski with artillery and combo medals. Compared to your setup it's pretty weak in comparison, no wonder you said you did it under 35 turns, that lineup is crazy strong lol 
. 1 tank general is sent for Abyssinia obviously 
pardon me
