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Post by best75 on Jun 10, 2016 1:05:30 GMT
I am going to go buy a $20 app store gift card today.
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 10, 2016 1:33:41 GMT
Poor scientific aspects tho, as the largest Islamic country in the world, it could easily become radicalized and descend into a dark age of ignorance. If they every decided to declare a jihad, they could get pounded real hard by countries legitimately afraid of their own security. China, Australia, Japan, America, and even India would felt threatened in response to an Indonesia becoming hostile in the region. Simply because its predominantly muslim doesn't mean it could quickly be radicalized. It is a very stable country and the state does not favor muslims over others. Stable and balanced? That's not true at all. It has been teetering closer and closer to a full sharia legal system. One region has established it so far. But what makes things worse is the recent issues popping all over the place in ASEAN plenty of domestic troubles. Indonesia looks stable only in comparison to its neighbors. That's why it shines as a "very stable country". That's an illusion soon fading away. I don't mean to spill this amount of ugly poltical-related details especially in here the forum but I don't think I would agree with your assessment of Indonesia, and I have good reasons. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jun 10, 2016 1:49:36 GMT
Let's stop this discussion. It's teetering ever nearer the cliff of a flame war
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Post by Horatio Nelson on Jun 10, 2016 1:51:43 GMT
A. Have you seen their special ops? They're some of the best in the world. B. Population. Indonesia is one of the highest ranking countries in the world when it comes to Population. C. Resources. Lots of oil. 'Nuff said. Strike A and B from the list. If population was a determining factor in power, than many African nations would be world powers. A special forces core is an extreemly small factor in making a nation powerfull. For example, we think of Russia as a superpower because of her nukes and technology, not her Spetsnaz. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 10, 2016 2:15:09 GMT
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jun 10, 2016 2:44:17 GMT
I use a body rub lotion called SEMPRINI!
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Jun 10, 2016 7:19:09 GMT
Well I was about to say that Urdu can be somewhat hard to write for a European And North American, but as that topic died I think I'll pass....
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 10, 2016 7:23:57 GMT
Well I was about to say that Urdu can be somewhat hard to write for a European And North American, but as that topic died I think I'll pass.... It's buried like 4 pages ago or something. It's okay, buddy. *pat* |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Jun 10, 2016 7:26:08 GMT
Well I was about to say that Urdu can be somewhat hard to write for a European And North American, but as that topic died I think I'll pass.... It's buried like 4 pages ago or something. It's okay, buddy. *pat* 3 actually  NVM Karachi got way many clouds today! Weather feels great.  |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Jun 10, 2016 9:59:04 GMT
Horatio Nelson, as Desophaeus has said, a large population is basically essential for becoming a superpower in our world. Large population=Larger military/navy, more workers to go in factories, more occupations people can occupy, more whatever basically. That alone does not determine being a superpower, but it is basically necessary if you want to become one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 10:41:21 GMT
Wait a sec Brazil is nowhere near India or China in any category except oil and gas. And if you put Nigeria here Poland is much bigger fish and where do you leave Turkey and Ukraine they are economically as strong as Germany, that is why they are not a part of EU as Germany wouldn't be a great economical power anymore. And Russia is losing its power I don't know what Dom would say. My biggest criteria is population of a power. I'm not saying sheer numbers decides everything. Population (especially an educated population) is still a part of the requirements for a nation to become a global power notheless. Let's compare Israel and Russia. Both has nuclear capabilities, both has strong scientific communities, both do have an interest in geopolitics and will pursuit a strong military to ensure national security, and both economics can be fairly strong (times always waxes and wanes, Russia will be back soon enough) with respectable infrastructure. One thing... Israel will never become a global superpower because it lacks the population to become one. Russia has all of the requirements. A leading power needs those in all eras: -Scientific superiority (it only has to be relative, not absolute to suffice) -Better infrastructure than majority of world -Strong interest in military matters (so it wouldn't be a pushover for any grubby mini-nation) -population (for everything, population is a multiplier effect) -eventually a strong army and navy (doesn't have to be absolutely number one in the world) And in modern times: nuclear weapons as well. You have to realize that Brazil DO have almost all of these. Even nuclear weapons is a possibility in the near future. Brazil has a scientific community of enough scientists and knowledge to develop a nuclear program. Look up for countries that do have this... Brazil is near the top of the list of those countries who haven't gotten a nuclear program yet. They do have a scientific community that's developing along well in all kind of fields. And in the economy of the future, the biggest commodity is knowledge. The further advanced a nation is, the stronger the economy it will posses in relative comparison to others. Russia has only 140millions of people and science is really dying. And Russia is slowly dying in its own juice. It is more a world wide security threat than agreat power. Brazil may become a minor great power, but it won't be a military nor economically a great power it has too many issues and they won't be allowed to make nuclear weapons. And if you put Brazil in list, Australia and Canada is much greater Powers and why do you leave out of the list Japan and Turkey and Poland. |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Jun 10, 2016 10:46:19 GMT
I don't know what Dom would say. My biggest criteria is population of a power. I'm not saying sheer numbers decides everything. Population (especially an educated population) is still a part of the requirements for a nation to become a global power notheless. Let's compare Israel and Russia. Both has nuclear capabilities, both has strong scientific communities, both do have an interest in geopolitics and will pursuit a strong military to ensure national security, and both economics can be fairly strong (times always waxes and wanes, Russia will be back soon enough) with respectable infrastructure. One thing... Israel will never become a global superpower because it lacks the population to become one. Russia has all of the requirements. A leading power needs those in all eras: -Scientific superiority (it only has to be relative, not absolute to suffice) -Better infrastructure than majority of world -Strong interest in military matters (so it wouldn't be a pushover for any grubby mini-nation) -population (for everything, population is a multiplier effect) -eventually a strong army and navy (doesn't have to be absolutely number one in the world) And in modern times: nuclear weapons as well. You have to realize that Brazil DO have almost all of these. Even nuclear weapons is a possibility in the near future. Brazil has a scientific community of enough scientists and knowledge to develop a nuclear program. Look up for countries that do have this... Brazil is near the top of the list of those countries who haven't gotten a nuclear program yet. They do have a scientific community that's developing along well in all kind of fields. And in the economy of the future, the biggest commodity is knowledge. The further advanced a nation is, the stronger the economy it will posses in relative comparison to others. Russia has only 140millions of people and science is really dying. And Russia is slowly dying in its own juice. It is more a world wide security threat than agreat power. Brazil may become a minor great power, but it won't be a military nor economically a great power it has too many issues and they won't be allowed to make nuclear weapons. And if you put Brazil in list, Australia and Canada is much greater Powers and why do you leave out of the list Japan and Turkey and Poland. Russia is still in the top ten highest population list. Brazil will become a superpower, i guarantee it. India and Pakistan have nukes, and the other countries never wanted them to have those. Economically and militarily, idk about that. I think they could stand on par with the other powers. Why do you keep bringing up Poland? They would never be strong enough in the near future, neither could Australia or Canada. Turkey and Japan tho, possibly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 10:56:18 GMT
Wait a sec Brazil is nowhere near India or China in any category except oil and gas. And if you put Nigeria here Poland is much bigger fish and where do you leave Turkey and Ukraine they are economically as strong as Germany, that is why they are not a part of EU as Germany wouldn't be a great economical power anymore. And Russia is losing its power About Brazil, people in areas like the U.K and France were probably saying the same things about the USA when we were going through our industrial revolution. Brazil is currently going through their own industrial revolution, and when its over, Brazil will emerge a superpower. I guarantee it. All of the European countries you mentioned are weak compared to other countries in the other world except maybe Turkey. Poland may be industrially active, but they are nowhere near becoming a superpower, Ukraine...how about we wait for them after the war with Russia is over... Nigeria has one of the highest populations in the world, and with lots and lots of oil. They just need to get some infrastructure and industry going and they'll be super powerful. Uhhh, Russia? Are you joking? They are on par with the USA in terms of nukes, military they are extremely powerful, and industrially they are strong. Brazil has issues which will take a long time to get solved. Nigeria has oil? And what Norway has it too... and? They aren't a superpower, they are a regional power not superpower. Russia is loosing its power, its power is based on nukes. Oil is not a resource for future... Oil on current consumption levels will be drained in 20-40 years and then what.... Poland is the most active industrial power in Europe. Ukraine is a industrial superpower, but war with Russia is a problem. Turkey is a great power and if it will continue to develop their industrial and military levels they will be bigger power than Russia. |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Jun 10, 2016 10:59:18 GMT
I have a feeling this will soon convert to a flame war.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 10:59:57 GMT
Russia has only 140millions of people and science is really dying. And Russia is slowly dying in its own juice. It is more a world wide security threat than agreat power. Brazil may become a minor great power, but it won't be a military nor economically a great power it has too many issues and they won't be allowed to make nuclear weapons. And if you put Brazil in list, Australia and Canada is much greater Powers and why do you leave out of the list Japan and Turkey and Poland. Russia is still in the top ten highest population list. Brazil will become a superpower, i guarantee it. India and Pakistan have nukes, and the other countries never wanted them to have those. Economically and militarily, idk about that. I think they could stand on par with the other powers. Why do you keep bringing up Poland? They would never be strong enough in the near future, neither could Australia or Canada. Turkey and Japan tho, possibly. The only issue with Poland is that they need nukes. Japan if they get their military back in feet will be greater power than Russia and their population is bigger than Russia's, but the difference is few million people. |
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