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Post by YDE on Sept 6, 2021 18:25:21 GMT
So I have started a new ArchCom team on mobile and right now for my arty I'm using Cleo. (I'm saving for Nobby and upgrading his spy and leadership to max + Moct's healing master). My question is, is it worth it spending 3K on Li Shimin or just keep Cleo? I personally feel Cleo is pretty good because of inspiration and mobility on an artilery showed me how strong they can be together (I played an Egyptian Industrial Conquest and was carried late game by two Arty 6* gens with ArtyCom boost). Then again, Li is better stat wise, but I feel the inspiration could boost up Cleo... and then there's Bismarck, the good ol Battlesh--- I mean Prussian Prime Minister. I'm definately going to get Bismarck when the time comes, but that begs the question of would I still use Cleo with Bismarck or let her retire and have Bismarck take the torch?
Or or if you guys want to suggest the other arty gens (Khalid, Koxinga, or the Japanese one) feel free.
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Post by Iron Duke on Sept 6, 2021 18:51:07 GMT
I'm confused: is this a restart or are you playing two games simultaneously?
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Post by YDE on Sept 6, 2021 19:44:56 GMT
I'm confused: is this a restart or are you playing two games simultaneously? Simulaneously. I would think mayankshadow and stoic would give me an earful if I restarted so far in on my main. I wanted to do do a new one on mobile since I had the ability to so why not? |
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Post by Iron Duke on Sept 6, 2021 19:53:08 GMT
I'm confused: is this a restart or are you playing two games simultaneously? Simulaneously. I would think mayankshadow and stoic would give me an earful if I restarted so far in on my main. I wanted to do do a new one on mobile since I had the ability to so why not? If you have the means, time and inclination then why not indeed  |
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Post by Iron Duke on Sept 6, 2021 20:03:13 GMT
Back to the topic at hand, I think now that we have the Arena and hard mode to consider it makes sense to upgrade at least one of Cleo or Khalid, even if you do intend on getting Li.
An artillery is useful in the regular game and will help you progress faster, thereby getting you to the milestones for daily missions more quickly, plus once you reach Empire Age the 3 hex range is handy to have in the Arena.
Those 3 and Bismarck are the only artillery worth considering imo: Li is the best; Otto is free; Cleo & Khalid are both great value; Heihachiro is only really for ArtyCom; the two naval guys provide novelty value only.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 6, 2021 23:40:34 GMT
Heihachiro is great, good stats, good traits in industrial, as well as boosting other Artillery, which is great for busting walls. Even +50% can still be a lot. Also very cost effective, moreso than Anyone outside of Bismark, Cleo, and Khalid, IMO.
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Post by mayankshadow on Sept 7, 2021 2:23:43 GMT
I vote li shimin
But khalid is good too
Keep khalid and cleo. Dont waste much on cleo. Then buy li when time comes. However khalid cleo combo is op. In some levels u can hardly make it with one arty so two are kinda necessary.
If u are starting new then why not napolean. I have a glitch if i wish. But i am not allowed to tell it here or saltin might murder me
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Post by stoic on Sept 7, 2021 2:24:36 GMT
Heihachiro is great, good stats, good traits in industrial, as well as boosting other Artillery, which is great for busting walls. Even +50% can still be a lot. Also very cost effective, moreso than Anyone outside of Bismark, Cleo, and Khalid, IMO. I could agree with many statements but not with "cost effective". I had Heihachiro on my previous run and he is as expensive as hell. One of the most expensive generals in the game together with LiShimin, Caesar and Blucher. |
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Post by YDE on Sept 7, 2021 2:29:54 GMT
I vote li shimin But khalid is good too Keep khalid and cleo. Dont waste much on cleo. Then buy li when time comes. However khalid cleo combo is op. In some levels u can hardly make it with one arty so two are kinda necessary. If u are starting new then why not napolean. I have a glitch if i wish. But i am not allowed to tell it here or saltin might murder me I think I'll be good  wouldn't want to have a gunpowder general and still in the mideval campaigns. Though if I want to start a "glitch" run I'll be sure to notify you. |
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Post by YDE on Sept 7, 2021 2:33:44 GMT
Gerd von Rundstedt, I love the look of Heih and everything you stated, but you have to agree he comes way late in the game and, at that point, I would have invested hundreds if not thousands of medals upgrading Khalid. I'll admit what you said I agree with, I just wish he was earlier in the game, then I'd would be happy to spend medals on him rather than buying Khalid.
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Post by YDE on Sept 7, 2021 2:36:56 GMT
Iron Duke , Gerd von Rundstedt , mayankshadow , stoic , with everything brought, I'm thinking Khalid and Cleo for early game, then replace Cleo with Bismarck. And, if I'm swimming in medals later, I'll get Heih. Though if anyone has the stats for the arty generals brought up at 6* or, at least, knows the traits for them, could you be so kind and tell me? Cheers, you all!
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Post by stoic on Sept 7, 2021 2:46:18 GMT
Iron Duke , Gerd von Rundstedt , mayankshadow , stoic , with everything brought, I'm thinking Khalid and Cleo for early game, then replace Cleo with Bismarck. And, if I'm swimming in medals later, I'll get Heih. Though if anyone has the stats for the arty generals brought up at 6* or, at least, knows the traits for them, could you be so kind and tell me? Cheers, you all! Khalid and Bismarck get +50% bonus against cavalry (unfortunately, Bismarck will loose his attack without retaliation). Cleo gets mobility. Heihachiro gets attack without retaliation. LiShimin and Koxinga get fire dragon. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 7, 2021 2:48:32 GMT
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Post by YDE on Sept 7, 2021 3:06:06 GMT
stoic, Wait wait wait so you're telling me Khalid loses his firepower just for... anti-calvary? Yeah no thanks, I already will have plenty of anti-calvarly options in an archcom team. So I think I'll do Cleo and Khalid early game and then have Bismarck/Cleo and Heih late game. I'll just have to figure out of Cleo's mobility, inspiration, and states are better than Bismarck at 5*... But I always love a free braveness.
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Post by stoic on Sept 7, 2021 3:13:35 GMT
stoic, Wait wait wait so you're telling me Khalid loses his firepower just for... anti-calvary? Yeah no thanks, I already will have plenty of anti-calvarly options in an archcom team. So I think I'll do Cleo and Khalid early game and then have Bismarck/Cleo and Heih late game. I'll just have to figure out of Cleo's mobility, inspiration, and states are better than Bismarck at 5*... But I always love a free braveness. I am afraid it is not as simple as that. Late in the game an additional damage might be more useful than survivability. It is a great option to attack without retaliation. But, truth be told, our Artillery generals will attack without retaliation most of the time anyway. Khalid is definitely one of the best Artillery generals in the game. Very cheap to upgrade and really "cost effective" in all meanings of this word. |
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wouldn't want to have a gunpowder general and still in the mideval campaigns. Though if I want to start a "glitch" run I'll be sure to notify you.
