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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 20, 2021 12:50:46 GMT
What do you mean wars used to be a corrective? Aren't you a pacifist? Why is there something wrong with a high population, and why can't they eat meat or drive a car? There are lots of problems due to overpopulation. Um, the world could comfortably fit in Florida, if living space is the Problem, and energy and food is plenty to go around. Oklahoma alone could feed NY. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 20, 2021 12:58:44 GMT
Um, the world could comfortably fit in Florida, if living space is the Problem, and energy and food is plenty to go around. Oklahoma alone could feed NY. 1. How can you say that? 2. It is not a problem in America, but definitely a problem in India. 1. Sorry, that was just bad math. Provided a high population density, in an area 8 times Florida, or about the size of Peru. 2. Beyond it being not a problem in America, it isn't a problem in most of the world. I understand that it may not always be possible now, but if worst comes to worst, Indians can simply move. |
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Post by John Marston on Sept 20, 2021 15:42:16 GMT
I will give to you (although I deeply disagree from the core principles of my soul) that human population boom is a problem. What can we do about it? Economization is already being worked on in every aspect, because it is in the interests of the wealthy. The ones who want profit realize that the best way to gain it is to optimize resources. Human ingenuity has never failed before on a huge scale. I have a solution. Do nothing. Even at the present rates, human population will reach a peak of ~ 10 billion (Give or take a few millions). However, by the end of the century, it will recede again to present levels or even lower and the next century might see a population bust because of low birth rates. And technology will be developed enough to make humans self sustaining (Which is the, I feel, first step towards colonization of Space). |
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Post by John Marston on Sept 20, 2021 15:46:10 GMT
Yes, a full cow meat diet is impossible, but a grain diet is very. Even flies have excellent nutritional value. John the Baptist lived on Locusts and Wild Honey (which, together with water, it is possible to survive without succumbing to scurvy or other malnutrition diseases). For energy, it is incredibly easy to synthetically produce oil and coal. We just don't do it to keep prices at reasonable levels. Any "energy crisis" is clearly fake and can be taken care of. The world can more than take care of its own energy needs. Do you even realize that Coal and Oil are existential threat to humanity itself? How can you call it fake? |
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Post by John Marston on Sept 20, 2021 15:47:43 GMT
1. How can you say that? 2. It is not a problem in America, but definitely a problem in India. 1. Sorry, that was just bad math. Provided a high population density, in an area 8 times Florida, or about the size of Peru. 2. Beyond it being not a problem in America, it isn't a problem in most of the world. I understand that it may not always be possible now, but if worst comes to worst, Indians can simply move. Where are we supposed to move? Into the Himalayas? I think it's just too cool for surviving there  |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 20, 2021 16:19:56 GMT
1. Sorry, that was just bad math. Provided a high population density, in an area 8 times Florida, or about the size of Peru. 2. Beyond it being not a problem in America, it isn't a problem in most of the world. I understand that it may not always be possible now, but if worst comes to worst, Indians can simply move. Where are we supposed to move? Into the Himalayas? I think it's just too cool for surviving there It is much easier than moving into space. Antarctica can become fertile land with some terraforming. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 20, 2021 16:23:18 GMT
Yes, a full cow meat diet is impossible, but a grain diet is very. Even flies have excellent nutritional value. John the Baptist lived on Locusts and Wild Honey (which, together with water, it is possible to survive without succumbing to scurvy or other malnutrition diseases). For energy, it is incredibly easy to synthetically produce oil and coal. We just don't do it to keep prices at reasonable levels. Any "energy crisis" is clearly fake and can be taken care of. The world can more than take care of its own energy needs. Do you even realize that Coal and Oil are existential threat to humanity itself? How can you call it fake? I fail to see how they are threats to humanity. That sounds melodramatic. I mean that since it is incredibly easy to make coal and oil, an energy crisis really won't be able to show up. If one does, it will be easy to take care of. Coal and Oil are easy to replenish. That being said, of course we would need to use it at a replenishable rate (e.g. the speed at with trees and other animals die). |
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Post by John Marston on Sept 20, 2021 16:24:02 GMT
Where are we supposed to move? Into the Himalayas? I think it's just too cool for surviving there It is much easier than moving into space. Antarctica can become fertile land with some terraforming. Not sure on first statement, but terraforming Antarctica might be a bad idea. |
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Post by John Marston on Sept 20, 2021 16:26:16 GMT
Do you even realize that Coal and Oil are existential threat to humanity itself? How can you call it fake? I fail to see how they are threats to humanity. That sounds melodramatic. I mean that since it is incredibly easy to make coal and oil, an energy crisis really won't be able to show up. If one does, it will be easy to take care of. Coal and Oil are easy to replenish. That being said, of course we would need to use it at a replenishable rate (e.g. the speed at with trees and other animals die). I don't completely understand your first statement. On second statement, coal and oil take millions of years to replenish so it would be tough to use them resourcefully as we go on. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 20, 2021 16:27:02 GMT
It is much easier than moving into space. Antarctica can become fertile land with some terraforming. Not sure on first statement, but terraforming Antarctica might be a bad idea. Why? They find palm trees under the ice, so it must have at least some fertile soil... |
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Post by John Marston on Sept 20, 2021 16:31:53 GMT
Not sure on first statement, but terraforming Antarctica might be a bad idea. Why? They find palm trees under the ice, so it must have at least some fertile soil... That's great. I never knew that. But I think that it might have the effects of the type when you turn Sahara into a rainforest. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Sept 20, 2021 17:05:14 GMT
Do you even realize that Coal and Oil are existential threat to humanity itself? How can you call it fake? I fail to see how they are threats to humanity. That sounds melodramatic. I mean that since it is incredibly easy to make coal and oil, an energy crisis really won't be able to show up. If one does, it will be easy to take care of. Coal and Oil are easy to replenish. That being said, of course we would need to use it at a replenishable rate (e.g. the speed at with trees and other animals die). Who is producing coal and oil ? Energy is always the limiting factor - for everything. And: Compared to other countries (not australia and canada) the US are practical inhabitated. Dense populated like india, the US will have a great problem to feed more than 4 000 million at their current life-style. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Sept 20, 2021 17:23:05 GMT
It is much easier than moving into space. Antarctica can become fertile land with some terraforming. Not sure on first statement, but terraforming Antarctica might be a bad idea. It is a stupid idea. - Apart if it is realizable - what do you want there ? You can't farm, so south, even in the summer the sun has no power - and months without any light don't help. Alaska has a better (micro) clima and much more light - start there as a proove of concept. I know that geenland was green, but never comfortable. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 20, 2021 17:29:08 GMT
Not sure on first statement, but terraforming Antarctica might be a bad idea. It is a stupid idea. - Apart if it is realizable - what do you want there ? You can't farm, so south, even in the summer the sun has no power - and months without any light don't help. Alaska has a better (micro) clima and much more light - start there as a proove of concept. I know that geenland was green, but never comfortable. I agree, but it is far, far in the future, we can cross that bridge when we get to it. |
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Post by ζΉζ on Sept 20, 2021 22:47:54 GMT
Reject omnivore, embrace photosynthesic Hey! Humans are omnivores. When life first appear they are Microorganism who live under the sea They're the one who will later evolve into modern animal and eventually human and also the one that bring oxygen into the Earth |
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