Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data]

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 21, 2021 16:21:22 GMT stoic, metalleater, and 2 more like this

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Post by Lucklife on Sept 21, 2021 16:21:22 GMT

I recently got Rokovossky alongside my Montgomery (a cardinal sin!), and promoted them both to 4 stars (another cardinal sin!), so I decided to try getting data from them.

I've wasted some time repeating several missions, experimenting to get the average damage output of our heavy tank generals.
Heavy Tank Generals, would be defined as generals with the gold level 2 Panzer leader skill, giving them an additional 24% chance to attack again.
Namely, Rommel, Montgomery and Rokossovsky.

Random data collection details

SPOILER: Click to show

I collected data for the allied generals by replaying 1939: The siege of Lille and the Battle of Montcornet.
However for the axis side, due to a lack of easily accessible heavy tanks on turn 1, I took data from 1941: The siege of Lenningrad.

Thus, the data collected might have a slight difference between axis and allied, due to 1941 enemies having level 1 tech.

Furthermore, for all 3 generals, I was unable to collect data on attacks against Heavy Artillery readily, and will be omitting that. For Rommel, I was unable to collect data on his attacks against normal tanks.

All data collected is from

1. The first attack against an untouched enemy
2. A 4 Star General
3. Normal attacks, with critical attacks being left out
4. The troop itself, without special forces equipped

Now, after multiple replays... I present to you, damage output!

Axis Generals

Rommel

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Rommel vs Infantry [2 stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	77	86	88	77	81	91	91	94	85	87

Average: 85.7

Rommel vs Armoured Car [2 stacks] [5 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	60	73	65	69	74	71	67	63	68	71

Average: 68.1

Rommel vs Artillery [2 stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	75	68	66	78	66	78	71	66	71	71

Average: 71

Allied Generals

Montgomery

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Montgomery vs Infantry [1 stack] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	78	80	74	79	81	70	80	72	74	75

Average: 76.4

Montgomery vs Infantry [2 Stacks] [5 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	65	64	66	66	70	73	66	78	64	68

Average: 68

Montgomery vs Armoured Car [2 Stack] [2 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	69	68	58	63	66	60	68	68	60	63

Average: 64.3

Montgomery vs Tank [1 Stack] [6 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	52	49	47	50	48	55	56	57	53	53

Average: 52

Montgomery vs Tank [2 Stacks] [7 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	46	51	56	53	56	45	56	45	49	49

Average: 50.6

Montgomery vs Artillery [2 Stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	59	55	53	53	62	58	52	61	62	54

Average: 56.9

Rokovossky

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Rokovossky vs Infantry [1 stack] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	61	76	63	75	75	61	74	74	63	69

Average: 69.1

Rokovossky vs Infantry [2 stacks] [5 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	69	60	67	61	61	68	66	59	62	71

Average: 64.4

Rokovossky vs Armoured Car [2 Stack] [2 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	71	69	72	80	79	80	73	76	73	68

Average: 74.1

Rokovossky vs Tank [1 Stack] [6 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	61	63	62	60	62	55	62	63	58	64

Average: 61

Rokovossky vs Tank [2 Stacks] [7 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	62	60	56	55	51	63	62	63	51	57

Average: 58

Rokovossky vs Artillery [2 Stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	57	46	47	50	49	58	50	58	52	52

Average: 51.9

Comparison of DMG for all Generals

SPOILER: Click to show

Infantry [1 stack] [4 Def]

Montgomery	76.4
Rokovossky	69.1
Rommel	Health Variation: 85.7

Infantry [2 stacks] [5 Def]

Montgomery	68.0
Rokovossky	64.4
Rommel	Defense Variation: 85.7

Armoured Car [2 Stack] [2 Def]

Montgomery	64.3
Rokovossky	74.1
Rommel	Defense Variation: 68.1

Tank [1 Stack] [6 Def]

Montgomery	52
Rokovossky	61
Rommel	Nil

Tank [2 Stacks] [7 Def]

Montgomery	50.6
Rokovossky	58.0
Rommel	Nil

Artillery [2 Stacks] [4 Def]

Montgomery	56.9
Rokovossky	51.9
Rommel	71.0

So there you have it.

Common conclusions: Rokovossky does close to a full 10 damage above Montgomery for armoured targets, possibly rivalling Rommel, while Montgomery does close to 5 damage for everything else, as expected.

Notes: As the defense of troops goes up, the differences between the two allied tank generals shrinks.
It may be worthy of a follow up investigation with endgame stages if the defense level has increased to the point that damage level converges to the same point.

Pt 2: Data Values from 1944
Taken from Battle of Salient

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Allied Generals

Montgomery

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Montgomery vs Infantry [3 stacks] [7 Def] [Pioneer]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	70/64	59/62	72/67	62/72	69/62	67/71	58/69	72/67	67/65	68/60

Average: 66.4/65.9: 66.15

Montgomery vs Armoured Car [2 stacks] [11 Def] [Prince Eugen]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	44	41	46	41	43	47	44	45	42	42

Average: 43.5

Montgomery vs Artillery [2 stacks] [7 Def] [Sturmtiger]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	53	46	51	54	48	55	55	48	47	45

Average: 50.2

Montgomery vs Artillery [2 stacks] [3 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	58/60	54/63	54/56	57/54	54	57/65	53/60	63/60	64/60	65

Average: 57.9/59.5: 58.7

Montgomery vs Tank [2 stacks] [8 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	45	43	46	46	48	49	53	47	53	54

Average: 48.4

Rokovossky

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Rokovossky vs Infantry [3 stacks] [7 Def] [Pioneer]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	64	67	60	58	57	58	59	58	68	64

Average: 61.3

Rokovossky vs Armoured Car [2 stacks] [11 Def] [Prince Eugen]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	57	49	46	49	49	45	54	52	56	57

Average: 51.4

Rokovossky vs Artillery [2 stacks] [7 Def] [Sturmtiger]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	42	48	46	48	51	46	48	48	45	43

Average: 46.5

Rokovossky vs Artillery [2 stacks] [3 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	54	58	54	54	53	61	52	55	61	52

Average: 55.4

Rokovossky vs Tank [2 stacks] [8 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	60	62	62	57	60	56	61	57	55	61

Average: 59.1

Comparison of DMG for allied Generals

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Infantry [3 stacks] [7 Def] [Pioneer]

Montgomery	66.15
Rokovossky	61.3

Armoured Car [2 stacks] [11 Def] [Prince Eugen]

Montgomery	43.6
Rokovossky	51.4

Artillery [2 stacks] [7 Def] [Sturmtiger]

Montgomery	50.2
Rokovossky	46.5

Artillery [2 stacks] [3 Def]

Montgomery	58.7
Rokovossky	55.4

Tank [2 stacks] [8 Def]

Montgomery	48.4
Rokovossky	59.4

Notes for Data Collection pt 2:

Little to no difference from pt 1. Montgomery still leads by close to 5 DMG on infantry and artillery, as expected, while roko continues leading by an additional 10 DMG.

Prince Eugen was one of the targets. It has a 15% chance to reduce damage taken by half. This happened about 3 times for every 10 attacks. I nullified those data and repeated it to obtain another value, same with critical attacks.

Side note: BB code for tables is a mess, I regret everything now

Last Edit: Sept 22, 2021 15:53:03 GMT by Lucklife

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 21, 2021 23:56:55 GMT via mobile metalleater likes this

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Sept 21, 2021 21:32:24 GMT Gerd von Rundstedt said:

Wow, this is amazing! So it is finally clear that the winner is Monty, who has this ( He wins) plus all his other buffs.

Give me a day or two to crunch 1944 another hundred or so times, the differences due to anti-armour may shrink to as low as 5 - Hypothesis.

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 1:54:35 GMT

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Sept 21, 2021 16:21:22 GMT Lucklife said:

I recently got Rokovossky alongside my Montgomery (a cardinal sin!), and promoted them both to 4 stars (another cardinal sin!), so I decided to try getting data from them.

I've wasted some time repeating several missions, experimenting to get the average damage output of our heavy tank generals.
Heavy Tank Generals, would be defined as generals with the gold level 2 Panzer leader skill, giving them an additional 24% chance to attack again.
Namely, Rommel, Montgomery and Rokossovsky.

Random data collection details

SPOILER: Click to show

I collected data for the allied generals by replaying 1939: The siege of Lille and the Battle of Montcornet.
However for the axis side, due to a lack of easily accessible heavy tanks on turn 1, I took data from 1941: The siege of Lenningrad.

Thus, the data collected might have a slight difference between axis and allied, due to 1941 enemies having level 1 tech.

Furthermore, for all 3 generals, I was unable to collect data on attacks against Heavy Artillery readily, and will be omitting that. For Rommel, I was unable to collect data on his attacks against normal tanks.

All data collected is from

1. The first attack against an untouched enemy
2. A 4 Star General
3. Normal attacks, with critical attacks being left out
4. The troop itself, without special forces equipped

Now, after multiple replays... I present to you, damage output!

Axis Generals

Rommel

SPOILER: Click to show

Rommel vs Infantry [2 stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	77	86	88	77	81	91	91	94	85	87

Average: 85.7

Rommel vs Armoured Car [2 stacks] [5 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	60	73	65	69	74	71	67	63	68	71

Average: 68.1

Rommel vs Artillery [2 stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	75	68	66	78	66	78	71	66	71	71

Average: 71

Allied Generals

Montgomery

SPOILER: Click to show

Montgomery vs Infantry [1 stack] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	78	80	74	79	81	70	80	72	74	75

Average: 76.4

Montgomery vs Infantry [2 Stacks] [5 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	65	64	66	66	70	73	66	78	64	68

Average: 68

Montgomery vs Armoured Car [2 Stack] [2 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	69	68	58	63	66	60	68	68	60	63

Average: 64.3

Montgomery vs Tank [1 Stack] [6 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	52	49	47	50	48	55	56	57	53	53

Average: 52

Montgomery vs Tank [2 Stacks] [7 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	46	51	56	53	56	45	56	45	49	49

Average: 50.6

Montgomery vs Artillery [2 Stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	59	55	53	53	62	58	52	61	62	54

Average: 56.9

Rokovossky

SPOILER: Click to show

Rokovossky vs Infantry [1 stack] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	61	76	63	75	75	61	74	74	63	69

Average: 69.1

Rokovossky vs Infantry [2 stacks] [5 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	69	60	67	61	61	68	66	59	62	71

Average: 64.4

Rokovossky vs Armoured Car [2 Stack] [2 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	71	69	72	80	79	80	73	76	73	68

Average: 74.1

Rokovossky vs Tank [1 Stack] [6 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	61	63	62	60	62	55	62	63	58	64

Average: 61

Rokovossky vs Tank [2 Stacks] [7 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	62	60	56	55	51	63	62	63	51	57

Average: 58

Rokovossky vs Artillery [2 Stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	57	46	47	50	49	58	50	58	52	52

Average: 51.9

Comparison of DMG for all Generals

SPOILER: Click to show

Infantry [1 stack] [4 Def]

Montgomery	76.4
Rokovossky	69.1
Rommel	Health Variation: 85.7

Infantry [2 stacks] [5 Def]

Montgomery	68.0
Rokovossky	64.4
Rommel	Defense Variation: 85.7

Armoured Car [2 Stack] [2 Def]

Montgomery	64.3
Rokovossky	74.1
Rommel	Defense Variation: 68.1

Tank [1 Stack] [6 Def]

Montgomery	52
Rokovossky	61
Rommel	Nil

Tank [2 Stacks] [7 Def]

Montgomery	50.6
Rokovossky	58.0
Rommel	Nil

Artillery [2 Stacks] [4 Def]

Montgomery	56.9
Rokovossky	51.9
Rommel	71.0

So there you have it.

Common conclusions: Rokovossky does close to a full 10 damage above Montgomery for armoured targets, possibly rivalling Rommel, while Montgomery does close to 5 damage for everything else, as expected.

Notes: As the defense of troops goes up, the differences between the two allied tank generals shrinks.
It may be worthy of a follow up investigation with endgame stages if the defense level has increased to the point that damage level converges to the same point.

Side note: BB code for tables is a mess, I regret everything now

Wait. WHERE'S GUDERIAN?

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 2:27:30 GMT via mobile Manfred von Richthofen likes this

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Sept 22, 2021 1:54:35 GMT Manfred von Richthofen said:

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Sept 21, 2021 16:21:22 GMT Lucklife said:

I recently got Rokovossky alongside my Montgomery (a cardinal sin!), and promoted them both to 4 stars (another cardinal sin!), so I decided to try getting data from them.

I've wasted some time repeating several missions, experimenting to get the average damage output of our heavy tank generals.
Heavy Tank Generals, would be defined as generals with the gold level 2 Panzer leader skill, giving them an additional 24% chance to attack again.
Namely, Rommel, Montgomery and Rokossovsky.

Random data collection details

SPOILER: Click to show

I collected data for the allied generals by replaying 1939: The siege of Lille and the Battle of Montcornet.
However for the axis side, due to a lack of easily accessible heavy tanks on turn 1, I took data from 1941: The siege of Lenningrad.

Thus, the data collected might have a slight difference between axis and allied, due to 1941 enemies having level 1 tech.

Furthermore, for all 3 generals, I was unable to collect data on attacks against Heavy Artillery readily, and will be omitting that. For Rommel, I was unable to collect data on his attacks against normal tanks.

All data collected is from

1. The first attack against an untouched enemy
2. A 4 Star General
3. Normal attacks, with critical attacks being left out
4. The troop itself, without special forces equipped

Now, after multiple replays... I present to you, damage output!

Axis Generals

Rommel

SPOILER: Click to show

Rommel vs Infantry [2 stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	77	86	88	77	81	91	91	94	85	87

Average: 85.7

Rommel vs Armoured Car [2 stacks] [5 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	60	73	65	69	74	71	67	63	68	71

Average: 68.1

Rommel vs Artillery [2 stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	75	68	66	78	66	78	71	66	71	71

Average: 71

Allied Generals

Montgomery

SPOILER: Click to show

Montgomery vs Infantry [1 stack] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	78	80	74	79	81	70	80	72	74	75

Average: 76.4

Montgomery vs Infantry [2 Stacks] [5 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	65	64	66	66	70	73	66	78	64	68

Average: 68

Montgomery vs Armoured Car [2 Stack] [2 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	69	68	58	63	66	60	68	68	60	63

Average: 64.3

Montgomery vs Tank [1 Stack] [6 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	52	49	47	50	48	55	56	57	53	53

Average: 52

Montgomery vs Tank [2 Stacks] [7 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	46	51	56	53	56	45	56	45	49	49

Average: 50.6

Montgomery vs Artillery [2 Stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	59	55	53	53	62	58	52	61	62	54

Average: 56.9

Rokovossky

SPOILER: Click to show

Rokovossky vs Infantry [1 stack] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	61	76	63	75	75	61	74	74	63	69

Average: 69.1

Rokovossky vs Infantry [2 stacks] [5 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	69	60	67	61	61	68	66	59	62	71

Average: 64.4

Rokovossky vs Armoured Car [2 Stack] [2 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	71	69	72	80	79	80	73	76	73	68

Average: 74.1

Rokovossky vs Tank [1 Stack] [6 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	61	63	62	60	62	55	62	63	58	64

Average: 61

Rokovossky vs Tank [2 Stacks] [7 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	62	60	56	55	51	63	62	63	51	57

Average: 58

Rokovossky vs Artillery [2 Stacks] [4 Def]

Attempt No.	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DMG	57	46	47	50	49	58	50	58	52	52

Average: 51.9

Comparison of DMG for all Generals

SPOILER: Click to show

Infantry [1 stack] [4 Def]

Montgomery	76.4
Rokovossky	69.1
Rommel	Health Variation: 85.7

Infantry [2 stacks] [5 Def]

Montgomery	68.0
Rokovossky	64.4
Rommel	Defense Variation: 85.7

Armoured Car [2 Stack] [2 Def]

Montgomery	64.3
Rokovossky	74.1
Rommel	Defense Variation: 68.1

Tank [1 Stack] [6 Def]

Montgomery	52
Rokovossky	61
Rommel	Nil

Tank [2 Stacks] [7 Def]

Montgomery	50.6
Rokovossky	58.0
Rommel	Nil

Artillery [2 Stacks] [4 Def]

Montgomery	56.9
Rokovossky	51.9
Rommel	71.0

So there you have it.

Common conclusions: Rokovossky does close to a full 10 damage above Montgomery for armoured targets, possibly rivalling Rommel, while Montgomery does close to 5 damage for everything else, as expected.

Notes: As the defense of troops goes up, the differences between the two allied tank generals shrinks.
It may be worthy of a follow up investigation with endgame stages if the defense level has increased to the point that damage level converges to the same point.

Side note: BB code for tables is a mess, I regret everything now

Wait. WHERE'S GUDERIAN? [/quote]

"Heavy Tank Generals, would be defined as generals with the gold level 2 Panzer leader skill, giving them an additional 24% chance to attack again."

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 2:29:12 GMT

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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Sept 22, 2021 2:29:12 GMT

Sept 22, 2021 2:27:30 GMT Lucklife said:

Sept 22, 2021 1:54:35 GMT Manfred von Richthofen said:

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Wait. WHERE'S GUDERIAN?

"Heavy Tank Generals, would be defined as generals with the gold level 2 Panzer leader skill, giving them an additional 24% chance to attack again."

You are really good at math bruh

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 12:55:40 GMT idunnowhattocallthis and John Marston like this

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Post by 6Johnny23 on Sept 22, 2021 12:55:40 GMT

Sept 21, 2021 21:32:24 GMT Gerd von Rundstedt said:

Wow, this is amazing! So it is finally clear that the winner is Monty, who has this ( He wins) plus all his other buffs.

Not so fast. It can also be debated that Roko wins because of his large damage to armor. And the damage in which Monty is better is rarely used or can be dealt with easily (arty and inf respectively).

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 12:59:44 GMT metalleater likes this

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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 22, 2021 12:59:44 GMT

Sept 22, 2021 12:55:40 GMT 6Johnny23 said:

Sept 21, 2021 21:32:24 GMT Gerd von Rundstedt said:

Wow, this is amazing! So it is finally clear that the winner is Monty, who has this ( He wins) plus all his other buffs.

Not so fast. It can also be debated that Roko wins because of his large damage to armor. And the damage in which Monty is better is rarely used or can be dealt with easily (arty and inf respectively).

Um, Infantry is definitely the main enemy of an HT, and Monty does this the best out of anyone. Tanks are essentially what you hit if they are almost dead so you can get a reset. Same with Artillery. Monty is a lot better than Roko at clearing out large areas.

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 14:37:06 GMT via mobile Gerd von Rundstedt likes this

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Post by metalleater on Sept 22, 2021 14:37:06 GMT

Sept 22, 2021 12:55:40 GMT 6Johnny23 said:

Sept 21, 2021 21:32:24 GMT Gerd von Rundstedt said:

Wow, this is amazing! So it is finally clear that the winner is Monty, who has this ( He wins) plus all his other buffs.

Not so fast. It can also be debated that Roko wins because of his large damage to armor. And the damage in which Monty is better is rarely used or can be dealt with easily (arty and inf respectively).

Monty is gorgeous. And the statistics show it. The main target for HT is infantry. This is the most common Unit throughout the game. And Monty takes it off like nuts reloading his Panzer Leader.
About Anti-Armor. Both Monty and Roco hit the tank 1-2 times when he has low health to annihilate him and reload PL. No one on HT will attack other full HP tank. It's just waste a resources.
As a result, Rocko is overrated as his Anti-Armor. So the total damage for Monty's campaign will be higher.

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 14:40:42 GMT via mobile

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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 22, 2021 14:40:42 GMT

Sept 22, 2021 14:37:06 GMT metalleater said:

Sept 22, 2021 12:55:40 GMT 6Johnny23 said:

Not so fast. It can also be debated that Roko wins because of his large damage to armor. And the damage in which Monty is better is rarely used or can be dealt with easily (arty and inf respectively).

Monty is gorgeous. And the statistics show it. The main target for HT is infantry. This is the most common Unit throughout the game. And Monty takes it off like nuts reloading his Panzer Leader.
About Anti-Armor. Both Monty and Roco hit the tank 1-2 times when he has low health to annihilate him and reload PL. No one on HT will attack other full HP tank. It's just waste a resources.
As a result, Rocko is overrated as his Anti-Armor. So the total damage for Monty's campaign will be higher.

Completely agreed. That is why I value neither Blitz or Anti on Guderian. Except it is apparently different on him... Wait, dang, I just realized that Roko is Better Guderian without Blitzkrieg.

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 15:55:43 GMT

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Post by Lucklife on Sept 22, 2021 15:55:43 GMT

Updated the post to include data from 1944, under spoilers for Pt 2.

I noticed that several values for Montgomery were off, and wondered if I was blundering earlier today, so I redid the values, adding a / next to the new values, and then taking the average of those 20 values.

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 16:22:38 GMT

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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Sept 22, 2021 16:22:38 GMT

Sept 22, 2021 14:40:42 GMT Gerd von Rundstedt said:

Sept 22, 2021 14:37:06 GMT metalleater said:

Monty is gorgeous. And the statistics show it. The main target for HT is infantry. This is the most common Unit throughout the game. And Monty takes it off like nuts reloading his Panzer Leader.
About Anti-Armor. Both Monty and Roco hit the tank 1-2 times when he has low health to annihilate him and reload PL. No one on HT will attack other full HP tank. It's just waste a resources.
As a result, Rocko is overrated as his Anti-Armor. So the total damage for Monty's campaign will be higher.

Completely agreed. That is why I value neither Blitz or Anti on Guderian. Except it is apparently different on him... Wait, dang, I just realized that Roko is Better Guderian without Blitzkrieg.

I'm sorry WHAT are you talking about? guderian has more armor stars, both have anti-armor, TOI better on medium tanks, but PL better on HT, so these are equal. Blitzkrieg is far better than machinist. Rokkos best part is his PL, in every other way guderian is superior.

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 16:26:24 GMT

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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 22, 2021 16:26:24 GMT

Sept 22, 2021 16:22:38 GMT idunnowhattocallthis said:

Sept 22, 2021 14:40:42 GMT Gerd von Rundstedt said:

Completely agreed. That is why I value neither Blitz or Anti on Guderian. Except it is apparently different on him... Wait, dang, I just realized that Roko is Better Guderian without Blitzkrieg.

I'm sorry WHAT are you talking about? guderian has more armor stars, both have anti-armor, TOI better on medium tanks, but PL better on HT, so these are equal. Blitzkrieg is far better than machinist. Rokkos best part is his PL, in every other way guderian is superior.

On HT, PL can make up that extra star and ToI, they share Armour, Roko has Machinist instead of +1 movement, so Guderian is essentially Roko with Blitzkrieg.

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Damage output for Heavy Tank Generals [Data] Sept 22, 2021 16:30:20 GMT

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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Sept 22, 2021 16:30:20 GMT

Sept 22, 2021 16:26:24 GMT Gerd von Rundstedt said:

Sept 22, 2021 16:22:38 GMT idunnowhattocallthis said:

I'm sorry WHAT are you talking about? guderian has more armor stars, both have anti-armor, TOI better on medium tanks, but PL better on HT, so these are equal. Blitzkrieg is far better than machinist. Rokkos best part is his PL, in every other way guderian is superior.

On HT, PL can make up that extra star and ToI, they share Armour, Roko has Machinist instead of +1 movement, so Guderian is essentially Roko with Blitzkrieg.

That's the key word: PL CAN make it up, I am a player who prefers plain output to leader skills, So IMO the plain armor stars and the damage boosting skills are superior. Im also a firm believer that blitzkrieg is better than machinist, but that one really depends on your opinion.