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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 29, 2021 18:34:00 GMT
By rational thought I mean capable of forming civilization. Yes, lions do form prides with hierarchy, but that isn't a full fledged civilization. Pain is a sign of danger, and to avoid pain is simply common sense. Birds' singing calms people down because patterned noise in general does. www.pnas.org/content/118/14/e2013097118As for why all this occurs, I would argue for a God, but other than that I find no reason. Okay, no reason to argue then. I am open to a world without God (although it will not change my mind), but the theory of evolution does not change it. It simply has too many holes.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Sept 29, 2021 18:41:36 GMT
Okay, no reason to argue then. I am open to a world without God (although it will not change my mind), but the theory of evolution does not change it. It simply has too many holes. Of course it does holes, but a god has several too. Also I believe the main principle of evolution does not have many holes.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 29, 2021 19:34:27 GMT
I am open to a world without God (although it will not change my mind), but the theory of evolution does not change it. It simply has too many holes. Of course it does holes, but a god has several too. Also I believe the main principle of evolution does not have many holes. *laughter* There are no holes in God. And evolution has more holes than a scientific theory should. I believe neither can be proved using rational science. Both of them require some faith.
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Post by zink on Sept 29, 2021 20:16:24 GMT
1. What do you mean with rational thought? Lions certainly don't write books about quantum physics, but they do have a brain. 2. You still didn't quite answer John Marston 's point and isn't pain a sign of evolution itself too? Also my comment on birds' singing calming people down. How is that explainable without evolution? By rational thought I mean capable of forming civilization. Yes, lions do form prides with hierarchy, but that isn't a full fledged civilization. Pain is a sign of danger, and to avoid pain is simply common sense. Birds' singing calms people down because patterned noise in general does. www.pnas.org/content/118/14/e2013097118As for why all this occurs, I would argue for a God, but other than that I find no reason. Why is rationalism to you being capable of forming a civilization?
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Sept 29, 2021 20:17:52 GMT
Of course it does holes, but a god has several too. Also I believe the main principle of evolution does not have many holes. *laughter* There are no holes in God. And evolution has more holes than a scientific theory should. I believe neither can be proved using rational science. Both of them require some faith. I'm not sure were you serious, but god definitely has holes .
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 29, 2021 21:04:56 GMT
By rational thought I mean capable of forming civilization. Yes, lions do form prides with hierarchy, but that isn't a full fledged civilization. Pain is a sign of danger, and to avoid pain is simply common sense. Birds' singing calms people down because patterned noise in general does. www.pnas.org/content/118/14/e2013097118As for why all this occurs, I would argue for a God, but other than that I find no reason. Why is rationalism to you being capable of forming a civilization? Because it is the most important aspect of rationalism, and the most easily measurable.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 29, 2021 21:05:21 GMT
*laughter* There are no holes in God. And evolution has more holes than a scientific theory should. I believe neither can be proved using rational science. Both of them require some faith. I'm not sure were you serious, but god definitely has holes . I am completely serious, and name one.
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Post by Hobo Joe on Sept 29, 2021 22:21:29 GMT
I'm not sure were you serious, but god definitely has holes . I am completely serious, and name one. This was the most irritating plothole Why didn't they just fly on the Eagles into Mordor, I mean, if they really wanted to melt the ring... wait... wrong book
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 29, 2021 22:47:48 GMT
I am completely serious, and name one. This was the most irritating plothole Why didn't they just fly on the Eagles into Mordor, I mean, if they really wanted to melt the ring... wait... wrong book Pardon, but I recommend that you do not disrespect any unnamed religious texts, for that can be offensive to ~93% of a religious world.
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Sept 30, 2021 0:05:07 GMT
Nessie might be a Plesiosaur, an amphibian or other.
fear animals they rule this world
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Sept 30, 2021 5:21:38 GMT
I'm not sure were you serious, but god definitely has holes . I am completely serious, and name one. 1. Well, it simply is based on old texts and visions and has no proof. 2. Even if there was god, what religion is right then? Like no offense, but I think it's as probable that after we die, we go to a marshmallow castle or heaven. Surely, if there is life after death, you can't just say that the Bible says so or something. Or then, maybe when we die, we go to Mordor or something. 3. Science is constantly deproving things from the Bible. For example, the Earth has been proven a globe, visible proof of adaptation, humans have been proved not to be the only thinking species etc. 4. There are some really good atheist theories on why religion exists. 5. Why is God such a cruel and irrational being? 6. Those who believe in a god or gods have never provided me a single good explanation on why a god or gods exist.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 30, 2021 12:50:28 GMT
I am completely serious, and name one. 1. Well, it simply is based on old texts and visions and has no proof. 2. Even if there was god, what religion is right then? Like no offense, but I think it's as probable that after we die, we go to a marshmallow castle or heaven. Surely, if there is life after death, you can't just say that the Bible says so or something. Or then, maybe when we die, we go to Mordor or something. 3. Science is constantly deproving things from the Bible. For example, the Earth has been proven a globe, visible proof of adaptation, humans have been proved not to be the only thinking species etc. 4. There are some really good atheist theories on why religion exists. 5. Why is God such a cruel and irrational being? 6. Those who believe in a god or gods have never provided me a single good explanation on why a god or gods exist. 1. The same can be said of Herodotus's work, the plays of Aristophanes, the writings of Pliny the Elder, and even the Canterbury Tales. Just because it is based on old texts does not mean that it is completely wrong. 2. I really dislike when people pull this argument, just because people differ in belief about how something works does not mean that that thing does not exist. For an analogous idea, just because there is a sharp divide between the Liberal and Conservative Parties does not mean that there is no government. It is just that we see government differently (and of course, everyone else is wrong ). 4. Name some, and remember, if religion is a myth, then 93% of the world has been duped since the beginning of man to the age of discovery. 5. I assume you are talking about the problem of pain, why a "good" and "omnipotent" god would allow so much evil in the world, is that correct? 6. In terms of god existing, we need to find a reason for him to exist? Well, if you ask any non-heretical religious person of any of the Abrahamic Faiths, they will tell you that "There is no reason for him to exist. He has just always been there. He needs no reason to exist." And if you find that not enough, then I really cannot help you on this. 3. Ah, *rubs hands together* this is the fun part. I highly doubt that science disproves things from the Bible. I assume you think I am Christian? If so, you are right. On the first two, the Bible never states any of those things, I think you get them from verses like Psalm 75:3, where it speaks of pillars of the earth, clearly metaphorical in a book of songs. As for species adaptation, I assume you take them from the Genesis account of creation. But everyone knows that species adapt and have used that in breeding from the beginning of time (praise be to my farmers' history education!). There would have to be significant adaptation to get all the species we have today based on 2 of every kind of unclean animal on the Ark of Noah. I will also have to ask you to define thinking species, for there are a number of passages in the Bible that tell people not to be cruel to animals, such as Proverbs 12:10 and 27:23.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 30, 2021 13:11:03 GMT
The universe was created by the supreme trinity (because a couple of books say so). A couple of books believed by 2.4 Billion people.
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Post by John Marston on Sept 30, 2021 13:12:32 GMT
The universe was created by the supreme trinity (because a couple of books say so). A couple of books believed by 2.4 Billion people. Uh...am I not among those 2.4 billion? Because I don't know which books are they.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 30, 2021 13:13:26 GMT
A couple of books believed by 2.4 Billion people. Uh...am I not among those 2.4 billion? Because I don't know which books are they. He is referring to the Christian religion.
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