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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Oct 6, 2021 0:34:50 GMT
That means 98% are cowards lel
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Oct 17, 2021 9:51:16 GMT
I believe that we fear animals; even though humans are more capable to cause large scale destructions than animals since we're much more intelligent and able coordinate with other humans; because unlike humans, animals are perceived as behaviorally random, unpredictable, and unable to be reasoned with. That's why we also feel a bit of fear when encountering people with cultures or customs that are too different than our own.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 17, 2021 13:03:33 GMT
I believe that we fear animals; even though humans are more capable to cause large scale destructions than animals since we're much more intelligent and able coordinate with other humans; because unlike humans, animals are perceived as behaviorally random, unpredictable, and unable to be reasoned with. That's why we also feel a bit of fear when encountering people with cultures or customs that are too different than our own. 1. Animals are capable of coordination and intelligent behaviour. Although it is true that advanced society and culture is an only for humans thing. 2. That is only half the explanation. I believe in John Marston's idea of the fear being kind of "evolutional leftover". Animals have been very dangerous in the past, also people don't fear little birds, do they. Of course humans do tend to be with their kind too, but that's a different type of fear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 5:49:49 GMT
Yeah, left over fear is true. One interesting fact is how we don't fear eagles necessarily as humans, yet our ancestors keep getting hunted by them. Reason being might be that humans eventually would get too big for them, thus the fear in our genetic lines didn't last. Snakes meanwhile, are still dangerous to humans despite our evolution, so that fear still exists. Spiders aren't as dangerous(Brazilian wandering spider and the Sydney funnel web spider are tho, leave them alone if you see em, or burn the house down), but their characteristics are quite different and alien to us that our fear still gets triggered, as humans we evolved to be wary of things that are different since we might get killed by them. Pretty useless in today's day and age when society has become more sophisticated, and can be a problem actually, but it probably saved our ancestor's asses some 40,000 years ago. There are more reasons why, and the reasoning behind these are a bit more than that, but for the purposes of discussion, I agree with John Marston.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 5:53:07 GMT
*laughter* There are no holes in God. And evolution has more holes than a scientific theory should. I believe neither can be proved using rational science. Both of them require some faith. I'm not sure were you serious, but god definitely has holes . Jesus Christ
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 6:20:55 GMT
I find this thread quite fascinating. The topic is great, but the arguments that were had about God just reminds me of my high school days where I would go around discussing theology and stuff due to my classmates wanting me to change my beliefs. I'll probably go back here seldomly and keep checking them for the nostalgia factor alone. That said, science does have it's flaws: for one, it's over reliance on observation and empiricism."The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences" is an interesting article written by physicist Eugene Aigner that describes how a physical theory's mathematical structure often points the way to further advances in that theory and even to empirical predictions. Personally, I'm more of a rationalist and believer in math(by extension logic, as math is basically just logic using numbers), and the clash between science and rationalism will probably be the final intellectual clash in the future. Reason why I mention this is because the arguments would be as entertaining as some of the arguments presented in this thread.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 18, 2021 6:45:21 GMT
I find this thread quite fascinating. The topic is great, but the arguments that were had about God just reminds me of my high school days where I would go around discussing theology and stuff due to my classmates wanting me to change my beliefs. I'll probably go back here seldomly and keep checking them for the nostalgia factor alone. That said, science does have it's flaws: for one, it's over reliance on observation and empiricism."The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences" is an interesting article written by physicist Eugene Aigner that describes how a physical theory's mathematical structure often points the way to further advances in that theory and even to empirical predictions. Personally, I'm more of a rationalist and believer in math(by extension logic, as math is basically just logic using numbers), and the clash between science and rationalism will probably be the final intellectual clash in the future. Reason why I mention this is because the arguments would be as entertaining as some of the arguments presented in this thread. I'm a bit simple, but do you believe in God then?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 8:10:16 GMT
I find this thread quite fascinating. The topic is great, but the arguments that were had about God just reminds me of my high school days where I would go around discussing theology and stuff due to my classmates wanting me to change my beliefs. I'll probably go back here seldomly and keep checking them for the nostalgia factor alone. That said, science does have it's flaws: for one, it's over reliance on observation and empiricism."The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences" is an interesting article written by physicist Eugene Aigner that describes how a physical theory's mathematical structure often points the way to further advances in that theory and even to empirical predictions. Personally, I'm more of a rationalist and believer in math(by extension logic, as math is basically just logic using numbers), and the clash between science and rationalism will probably be the final intellectual clash in the future. Reason why I mention this is because the arguments would be as entertaining as some of the arguments presented in this thread. I'm a bit simple, but do you believe in God then? Yes,I believe in a God, or rather the concept and possibility of a God. For instance, humans are pretty much godlike in comparison to most other animals here on earth. What if humanity evolved much sooner, like a thousand years sooner, or a million? Or what if troodon became the dominant species here on earth? They would have 65 million years of evolution to be able to completely master technology and their own knowledge of the universe, and such would've been demigods compared to us. The concept of God to me is simply the end point of evolution, the maximum possible actualization of an individual/group's potential. My problem with most creator Gods is simply the fact that it assumes that an omnipotent creator God has the compulsion to create, that and he somehow requires us to submit to him and demand worship, when he shouldn't need of such if he was already perfect and omnipotent, and that it has to answer to the fact of why does he exist in the first place as omnipotent and perfect, and why other such beings haven't existed as well, and how nature tends to go from low state and slowly build to a higher state, from chaos to order as humans demonstrated. In other words, I find the notion that the universe creates God much more logically sound than the reverse. Of course, it's all theoretical, but that's really how I see it. As you might imagine, I would've been burned at the stake along with Atheists and Pagans if I were alive in the dark ages . I'm derailing the topic, so apologies to my emperor Napoleon.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 18, 2021 8:33:32 GMT
I'm a bit simple, but do you believe in God then? Yes,I believe in a God, or rather the concept and possibility of a God. For instance, humans are pretty much godlike in comparison to most other animals here on earth. What if humanity evolved much sooner, like a thousand years sooner, or a million? Or what if troodon became the dominant species here on earth? They would have 65 million years of evolution to be able to completely master technology and their own knowledge of the universe, and such would've been demigods compared to us. The concept of God to me is simply the end point of evolution, the maximum possible actualization of an individual/group's potential. My problem with most creator Gods is simply the fact that it assumes that an omnipotent creator God has the compulsion to create, that and he somehow requires us to submit to him and demand worship, when he shouldn't need of such if he was already perfect and omnipotent, and that it has to answer to the fact of why does he exist in the first place as omnipotent and perfect, and why other such beings haven't existed as well, and how nature tends to go from low state and slowly build to a higher state, from chaos to order as humans demonstrated. In other words, I find the notion that the universe creates God much more logically sound than the reverse. Of course, it's all theoretical, but that's really how I see it. As you might imagine, I would've been burned at the stake along with Atheists and Pagans if I were alive in the dark ages . I'm derailing the topic, so apologies to my emperor Napoleon. Interesting view, I would talk about rationalism and empirism too, but that would be derailing as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 10:05:45 GMT
Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, maybe in a dedicated thread for it. I don't really talk about my views much compared to when I was teen, so it's been a while since i discussed something like this. Thanks for the entertaining discussion with the other members tho
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Post by Thortilla on Oct 18, 2021 16:33:34 GMT
How nice it is to see debates about religion without being involved
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Oct 19, 2021 0:10:51 GMT
dis getting too religious. CONTINUE TO THE TOPIC OR ELSE CALL ME KONETS 3 TIMES ME WILL SEND KATYUSHA
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