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Post by John Marston on Oct 1, 2021 14:36:40 GMT
6. God does not exists. Proof- I have not seen him 7. Borees does not exist. Proof - I have not seen him. Well I was expecting a couple of paras long defence, but this one is so simple and accurate lol.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 1, 2021 14:39:12 GMT
7. Borees does not exist. Proof - I have not seen him. Well I was expecting a couple of paras long defence, but this one is so simple and accurate lol. I only write paras on theses that make sense.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 1, 2021 14:47:00 GMT
Well I was expecting a couple of paras long defence, but this one is so simple and accurate lol. I only write paras on theses that make sense. I take that as a compliment
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 2, 2021 12:47:56 GMT
7. Borees does not exist. Proof - I have not seen him. Borees exists, Proof-I have seen him. But I have not.
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Oct 2, 2021 18:25:24 GMT
[...] 6. Well, for one there is the issue that morality cannot truly exist without a God. Emphathy causes morality - but why should a god be necessary for morality ?
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 2, 2021 18:40:16 GMT
[...] 6. Well, for one there is the issue that morality cannot truly exist without a God. Emphathy causes morality - but why should a god be necessary for morality ? Because an individual morality is not a morality. There can be things that a person believes to be right that are not. For example, Jim Jones was doing what he thought right in his morality, yet he was universally condemned. There must be a higher morality than simply a person, or there is none at all.
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Oct 2, 2021 19:12:33 GMT
Emphathy causes morality - but why should a god be necessary for morality ? I thought you talk about lower?, individual morality - what a human feels and can inflict his actions without individual profit. And yes the coordinates are for everything or person individual - pure objectivity exists only in theory. As you define: There must be a higher morality than simply a person, or there is none at all. This term can include some god - ok.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 2, 2021 19:26:40 GMT
Emphathy causes morality - but why should a god be necessary for morality ? Because an individual morality is not a morality. There can be things that a person believes to be right that are not. For example, Jim Jones was doing what he thought right in his morality, yet he was universally condemned. There must be a higher morality than simply a person, or there is none at all. In my point of view there is no objective moral. Moral itself is just an abstract idea of human, and only subjective. Moral is influenced by the enviroment, society and a person's ideas and impressions. I believe that moral thinking is a result of evolution and progress of the human race, not God. The argument is dependent on the concept of objective moral and indirectly belief of a god. And then, what if God decides what is right and what is wrong? Don't we live in an Orwellian dystopia then?
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Oct 2, 2021 19:49:06 GMT
Because an individual morality is not a morality. There can be things that a person believes to be right that are not. For example, Jim Jones was doing what he thought right in his morality, yet he was universally condemned. There must be a higher morality than simply a person, or there is none at all. In my point of view there is no objective moral. Moral itself is just an abstract idea of human, and only subjective. Moral is influenced by the enviroment, society and a person's ideas and impressions. I believe that moral thinking is a result of evolution and progress of the human race, not God. The argument is dependent on the concept of objective moral and indirectly belief of a god. And then, what if God decides what is right and what is wrong? Don't we live in an Orwellian dystopia then? Yes, morality is one really personal attributes. As you say enviroment yes - and Empathy : people without empathy can be trained with fear (punishments: law, god, family) but IIRC they can't develop moral.
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Oct 2, 2021 19:52:46 GMT
Emphathy causes morality - but why should a god be necessary for morality ? [...] Jim Jones was doing what he thought right in his morality, yet he was universally condemned. There must be a higher morality than simply a person, or there is none at all. I did not know who you ment. I hope you read wikipedia in more than one language - Absolutely necessary !
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 2, 2021 20:02:51 GMT
In my point of view there is no objective moral. Moral itself is just an abstract idea of human, and only subjective. Moral is influenced by the enviroment, society and a person's ideas and impressions. I believe that moral thinking is a result of evolution and progress of the human race, not God. The argument is dependent on the concept of objective moral and indirectly belief of a god. And then, what if God decides what is right and what is wrong? Don't we live in an Orwellian dystopia then? Yes, morality is one really personal attributes. As you say enviroment yes - and Empathy : people without empathy can be trained with fear (punishments: law, god, family) but IIRC they can't develop moral. Maybe you could call that a moral, but I agree that a moral without empathy is rather empty and fake.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 2, 2021 20:27:07 GMT
Pardon, I am a historian, sociologist, and theologian, not a scientist, but I will do my best. For one thing, it is impossible for life to come from non-living material because of the law of biogenesis, and, more directly related to the theory of evolution, is that mutations are never dominant, and will almost always be swamped into the gene pool unless two animals are bred with the same mutation. Theology or Philosophy help a lot in structured theoretical analysis. Where the initial life comes from, is a real crack point. I don't know if evolution has an explanation for beginning of life. I know evolution only as an explanation of the ongoing develpoing of life and species, not as a theory for the first life. I will keep an eye on it. Why mutations can't be dominant, I don't see it - Mendelsohn uncovered quite detailed how dominant and undominat attributes develop through the generations. It is enough to have one partner with a mutation to give this mutation into the next generations. What this monocausal 'random mutation' explanation of Darvin completly oversees are all effects of endogenetical changes. To see the random mutation as the only reason for evolution IS in fact a common lack of understanding (especially from people with the attitudine to explain something they don't get by themself). IE: 'Every' cell of your body has the same DNA, but can be different. Two bees can have the same DNA, but can be ćompletly different types of bees, depending on their food during development etc. If I understand your point of the law of biogenesis correctly, a single seed-corn of grain must be always living - even before germination - right ? (I don't ask for a virus) If I'm not mistaken, midern scientists believe in a "pre evolution" where the right nucleoids for cells were chosen via natural selection and started to reproduce.
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Post by 曹操 on Oct 3, 2021 3:31:14 GMT
Because an individual morality is not a morality. There can be things that a person believes to be right that are not. For example, Jim Jones was doing what he thought right in his morality, yet he was universally condemned. There must be a higher morality than simply a person, or there is none at all. No, people can be moral without God. Hmm i kinda agree and disagree on your opinion. Agree because usually even religious person can have no moral. Disagree because you know religion is a good Moral enforcer
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Oct 3, 2021 6:23:57 GMT
the fleck theres a thousand letters. And pls dont be too religious
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Post by 曹操 on Oct 3, 2021 7:08:43 GMT
the fleck theres a thousand letters. And pls dont be too religious And pls stop saying Fleck -_-
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