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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 4, 2021 19:32:42 GMT
Looking at Zhu De, he's actually not that bad. His cost is terrible though. He has one more star than Tito, and a better skill (infantry leader vs Econ expert), but eww... replacement. So that's 2/3 useful skills, while Tito has 1. Whatever Tito's rating is Zhu De's rating is probably 1 higher. Crerar on the other hand costs a bit more than Tito, but has a better skill (crowd tactics), which is at least situationally useful. I don't know why anyone would want to buy him over Messe though. Honestly Messe's probably better than almost all the bronze infantry generals. I'd prefer just using him over everyone except Heinrici and Nasser. Yeah, from the bronze generals I´ve tested (Messe, Tito, Crerar, Heinrici, Nasser, Bock, Kuznetsov, Fletcher, Zhu De, Blamey, Auchinleck) Messe is definitely the best for land units and Kuznetsov for navy. |
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Nov 4, 2021 23:35:34 GMT
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 5, 2021 5:46:23 GMT
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 5, 2021 20:33:33 GMT
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 5, 2021 21:12:22 GMT
Looks good to me, and any rating list is subjective so even if I disagree with something that doesn't make me right lol I like that you didn't give any infantry generals 5/5, cause they all suck. All infantry generals are bad. |
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Nov 6, 2021 6:22:57 GMT
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 7, 2021 16:53:37 GMT
Sorry Ivan Ivanovitš Konetskov Konetskiy Konetsovitš Konets ( Manfred von Richthofen), but I added air generals first. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 7, 2021 20:42:12 GMT
Kesselring is what happens when you can't decide if your general's gonna be an infantry general or an air general lol
And for almost 800 more medals than Arnold, eww
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 8, 2021 18:34:32 GMT
A note: Mac and Rund can also be used as decent hybrids, I view Peng more as a Mac lite than a different Vasilevsky, and Yamamoto can be exactly Arnold on Air, so why is Arnold better?
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 8, 2021 18:49:08 GMT
A note: Mac and Rund can also be used as decent hybrids, I view Peng more as a Mac lite than a different Vasilevsky, and Yamamoto can be exactly Arnold on Air, so why is Arnold better? 1. Hybrids don't really have a place in this game. You get 6 generals and in late game scenarios atleast 2 heavy starting tanks, a rocket/super artillery and a naval unit in most cases. There isn't room for hybrids. The units are so often the same. Also, hybrids or not, I can't possible give them the same rating as someone like Leeb or Rommel. 2. Yes, good point. All 3 are very similar. Imo, why MacArthur is much better than the other 2 (unless you take medals into account) is that he has the extra skill slot. 3. I value level 4 Rumour much higher than level 1 Explosives as neither works on air. Also, he is double Arnold's price and it is cheaper to get Kuznetsov and Arnold than him, so fo you really want to buy that crap for Guderian's price. The extra skill slot can make him slightly better in air (again for over double the price), but then he'll be worse than Fletcher on navy. If you focus on navy abilities, he's a Kuznetsov for 2800 medals on navy, and a worse Arnold on air. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 8, 2021 18:53:47 GMT
3: I just mean that it would be unfair to say that Arnold in the endgame will be a better air general, as that would be false. When both are maxed out, Moto Moto is better. However, yes, he is a terrible buy.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 8, 2021 19:02:32 GMT
3: I just mean that it would be unfair to say that Arnold in the endgame will be a better air general, as that would be false. When both are maxed out, Moto Moto is better. However, yes, he is a terrible buy. Yeah, he is, but it would be so bad medal usage to max him out instead of Arnold, because: 1. Air generals aren't even that good. 2. If you want an air-navy hybrid, Nimitz, Halsey and Kuznetsov are all cheaper and nit that much worse. If you want pure air, get Arnold who will be only a little bit worse when maxed out, but so cheap that you can also get Halsey/Kuznetsov. But, yeah, Yamamoto is better when maxed out. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 8, 2021 19:06:37 GMT
3: I just mean that it would be unfair to say that Arnold in the endgame will be a better air general, as that would be false. When both are maxed out, Moto Moto is better. However, yes, he is a terrible buy. Yeah, he is, but it would be so bad medal usage to max him out instead of Arnold, because: 1. Air generals aren't even that good. 2. If you want an air-navy hybrid, Nimitz, Halsey and Kuznetsov are all cheaper and nit that much worse. If you want pure air, get Arnold who will be only a little bit worse when maxed out, but so cheap that you can also get Halsey/Kuznetsov. But, yeah, Yamamoto is better when maxed out. Also, is it bad that I actually really like Kesselring? I mean, I know he is bad, but I love the role of an infantry-Air. I had Goering in the last game, and he was fast even with the speed limitations. Imagine a fast infantry-air in this game. Those are really the only two units I use in a conquest anyway. But yeah, I get that he is super overpriced. But I can't help but like him, particularly after trying him out using s/l. By the way, his Architecture is REALLY MEH. If there are no enemy tank gens nearby, it is wonderful. If there are, then he is shooting himself in the foot. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 8, 2021 19:23:02 GMT
Yeah, he is, but it would be so bad medal usage to max him out instead of Arnold, because: 1. Air generals aren't even that good. 2. If you want an air-navy hybrid, Nimitz, Halsey and Kuznetsov are all cheaper and nit that much worse. If you want pure air, get Arnold who will be only a little bit worse when maxed out, but so cheap that you can also get Halsey/Kuznetsov. But, yeah, Yamamoto is better when maxed out. Also, is it bad that I actually really like Kesselring? I mean, I know he is bad, but I love the role of an infantry-Air. I had Goering in the last game, and he was fast even with the speed limitations. Imagine a fast infantry-air in this game. Those are really the only two units I use in a conquest anyway. But yeah, I get that he is super overpriced. But I can't help but like him, particularly after trying him out using s/l. By the way, his Architecture is REALLY MEH. If there are no enemy tank gens nearby, it is wonderful. If there are, then he is shooting himself in the foot. As you probably know, infantry-air hybrids aren't my favourite as infantry and air are my least favourite units in the game (which I think is a shame, infantry should be usable even in a WW2 game). But if you want one, why don't you go for Arnold (2 stars on infantry for 1 star in mobility, but much better skills) or Rundstedt (lower starting price and one skill slot more). But, atleast I agree with one of your statements: I hate RNG skills too (except level 5 Blitzkrieg with the medal). |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 8, 2021 19:28:31 GMT
Also, is it bad that I actually really like Kesselring? I mean, I know he is bad, but I love the role of an infantry-Air. I had Goering in the last game, and he was fast even with the speed limitations. Imagine a fast infantry-air in this game. Those are really the only two units I use in a conquest anyway. But yeah, I get that he is super overpriced. But I can't help but like him, particularly after trying him out using s/l. By the way, his Architecture is REALLY MEH. If there are no enemy tank gens nearby, it is wonderful. If there are, then he is shooting himself in the foot. As you probably know, infantry-air hybrids aren't my favourite as infantry and air are my least favourite units in the game (which I think is a shame, infantry should be usable even in a WW2 game). But if you want one, why don't you go for Arnold (2 stars on infantry for 1 star in mobility, but much better skills) or Rundstedt (lower starting price and one skill slot more). But, atleast I agree with one of your statements: I hate RNG skills too (except level 5 Blitzkrieg with the medal). In campaign he sucks. In conquest he is pretty good as a fast city-cracking air support. RNG skills are frankly trash, again, with the exception of Blitz AND RUMOR. |
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