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Post by 6Johnny23 on Nov 28, 2021 0:52:55 GMT
So Logistics seems to be more useful than Navigation. Navigation is still useful, but i'd say yes, logisitics is important for self-sustain. There are a lot of naval battles in EW5, but there are a lot more land battles, so yeah, navigation is definitely inferior to rumor. That said, i remember the British empire(last batch of missions in Discovery age) being mostly naval battles, and most of them are really annoying, so Navigation has it's value. And even without Navigation,Nelson is top tier so don't feel too bad about it . Nelson would be above-average even if all he has for a good skill was Commander, his stats are Nobunaga's, and you don't have many hard hitting commanders, especially archers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 1:01:53 GMT
Navigation is still useful, but i'd say yes, logisitics is important for self-sustain. There are a lot of naval battles in EW5, but there are a lot more land battles, so yeah, navigation is definitely inferior to rumor. That said, i remember the British empire(last batch of missions in Discovery age) being mostly naval battles, and most of them are really annoying, so Navigation has it's value. And even without Navigation,Nelson is top tier so don't feel too bad about it . Nelson would be above-average even if all he has for a good skill was Commander, his stats are Nobunaga's, and you don't have many hard hitting commanders, especially archers. Mulan hits hard, Catherine against Archers hit hard, Li hongzhuang just destroys cavalry. Yi is a purple general so has purple stats. That's true i guess. Washington is the gold standard for damage. Archers shouldn't have much problems damage wise, unless they're going against infantry. Now that i'm thinking about it, Cavalry and Infantry have the same problem damage wise. Guess it's not too much of an issue, since the top tiers of each respective class can hit reasonably hard.
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Nov 28, 2021 1:05:33 GMT
Nelson would be above-average even if all he has for a good skill was Commander, his stats are Nobunaga's, and you don't have many hard hitting commanders, especially archers. Mulan hits hard, Catherine against Archers hit hard, Li hongzhuang just destroys cavalry. Yi is a purple general so has purple stats. That's true i guess. Washington is the gold standard for damage. Archers shouldn't have much problems damage wise, unless they're going against infantry. Now that i'm thinking about it, Cavalry and Infantry have the same problem damage wise. Guess it's not too much of an issue, since the top tiers of each respective class can hit reasonably hard. Forgot about Li. Mulan and Catherine don't have Commander. Yi is the defensive aura, and does have good stats.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 1:31:35 GMT
Mulan hits hard, Catherine against Archers hit hard, Li hongzhuang just destroys cavalry. Yi is a purple general so has purple stats. That's true i guess. Washington is the gold standard for damage. Archers shouldn't have much problems damage wise, unless they're going against infantry. Now that i'm thinking about it, Cavalry and Infantry have the same problem damage wise. Guess it's not too much of an issue, since the top tiers of each respective class can hit reasonably hard. Forgot about Li. Mulan and Catherine don't have Commander. Yi is the defensive aura, and does have good stats. Mulan,or at least awakened mulan, is pretty much Washington lite without the sustain and stats. She hits hard, just need to patch up her pitiful defensive stats. But who needs defense when you can't get hit by counterattacks and are supported by archer comms. Catherine smacks archers around, which is a pretty neat niche for an archer.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 28, 2021 1:33:04 GMT
Forgot about Li. Mulan and Catherine don't have Commander. Yi is the defensive aura, and does have good stats. Mulan,or at least awakened mulan, is pretty much Washington lite without the sustain and stats. She hits hard, just need to patch up her pitiful defensive stats. But who needs defense when you can't get hit by counterattacks and are supported by archer comms. Catherine smacks archers around, which is a pretty neat niche for an archer. Charlemagne does Catherine better than Catherine.
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Post by mayankshadow on Nov 28, 2021 5:24:31 GMT
Mulan,or at least awakened mulan, is pretty much Washington lite without the sustain and stats. She hits hard, just need to patch up her pitiful defensive stats. But who needs defense when you can't get hit by counterattacks and are supported by archer comms. Catherine smacks archers around, which is a pretty neat niche for an archer. Charlemagne does Catherine better than Catherine. U r soo into charle. Et buff him now or i will die of thier irony👻
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 28, 2021 11:05:36 GMT
Charlemagne does Catherine better than Catherine. U r soo into charle. Et buff him now or i will die of thier irony👻 No, but in all seriousness, Peter or someone else like him is Catherine but better, essentially.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 28, 2021 22:48:33 GMT
Now its time for Convoluted Logic with Gerdy, the part of the show where Gerdy comes out and does Convoluted Logic. Today's topic is "Why Nobunaga Oda is not as good as you think." The reason for that is not because he isn't as good as you think, but rather, there are better alternatives. Four, to be exact. I will go through them one by one throughout this post. First, Horatio Nelson! His active boost output by 50% This is essentially the same thing as Mass Fire, and I would say that the boost that it gives to friends makes it about equal to that plus Spy, considering both Alex and Khalid have Spy, too, and it doesn't stack. I will be using the precedent throughout the guide. Well, then, he has Navigation, Longbow, and General for Leadership and Sniper Master. Personally, although I think that Leadership is one of the best skills, but it is definitely not better than the three of them combined, and Sniper Master is, quite frankly, bad, maybe worth the General? In any Case, Navigation and Longbow still triumph over Leadership, although IMO by a slim margin, and only because Leadership doesn't stack. I would say Nobby wins in terms of picture though. The beard. Second, Li Hongzhang. Again, ArchCom is about the value of Spy and Mass Fire put together, they share Leadership and Firepower, meaning that Nobby has Stats and Sniper Master versus Defense Expert and Strike. I would put Sniper equal to Defense Expert, and maybe the stats are better than strike? I mean, dealing 300% damage to Cav is nice, (150% with commander ×2 with Strike) but Nobby has extra attack, defense, and HP. I would give a slight win to Li, and also remind that he is waayyy cheaper. Like, with the price of Nobby, you could get Li, the Paladin Sword, and your mom a new car. And not even a 30 year old minivan. Third, and the one I had the hardest time about. Should he be taken into account? I am talking about Pachacuti, and I came to the conclusion that if you are a fast player like Deleted or stoic, forget about him. If you play more slowly, like me, you may be able to use him in Industrial. I think we can all agree that he is the best archer in the game, no contest. He has ridiculous availability issues, though, so he may not be your best choice under almost any circumstances. Again, if you can get him, he is the best archer out there. Finally, Yi Sun Sin. Again, share Firepower. I would say his active is better than Mass Fire and Sniper. Why? Because, while Nobby gets +50% dmg, and also some extra damage sorta, Yi gets -50% dmg with his force field of... ships? Idunno why he got that skill, but I would say it is better because it also helps his friends. I think that Bugle acts as sorta both a Spy and Leadership lite together, like, dropping 15% att and def with every hit is nice, although it doesn't work with gods. Navigation simply speeds it up. I would put Navigation equal to Spy, only because it is paired with bugle, and also Khalid and Alexander exist. For free. So we have, when vastly (over)simplified, +70% against archers and Bugle against Leadership. Against normal units, Yi would be a clear winner, and he is... until you get to the gods. They can't have morale down or be rumored, so Nobby works really well there. Yi is still nice as an armor master though. Too long, didn't read: Nobunaga stinky poo. This has been Convoluted Logic with Gerdy, tune in next time to hear Gerdy explain why GOG2 Angel should be the best gen in EW5.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 30, 2021 15:41:37 GMT
Holy crap! I just tried out Jhansi using S/L and even outside ArchCom, she still has crazy output! Forget Moctezuma! Leadership, I'll be sorry to leave that behind, but I didn't invest in his skills anyway. Super Cheap, too! Just get her Inspiration to level 6, and she is amazing. And in 6 stars I hear she gets plunder. Awesome! Remember how I am not that much of an archers guy? She could be my arcjer until Industrial, when I can get Li Hongzhang, right? ArchCom people use her without infantry support,right? So with infantry support she could be even more durable. I can't believe I didn't use her earlier. And I chose CATHERINE of all people instead of her. Honestly higher output than Mocte, and I don't need a strong archer right now anyway.
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Post by mayankshadow on Dec 1, 2021 2:18:23 GMT
Holy crap! I just tried out Jhansi using S/L and even outside ArchCom, she still has crazy output! Forget Moctezuma! Leadership, I'll be sorry to leave that behind, but I didn't invest in his skills anyway. Super Cheap, too! Just get her Inspiration to level 6, and she is amazing. And in 6 stars I hear she gets plunder. Awesome! Remember how I am not that much of an archers guy? She could be my arcjer until Industrial, when I can get Li Hongzhang, right? ArchCom people use her without infantry support,right? So with infantry support she could be even more durable. I can't believe I didn't use her earlier. And I chose CATHERINE of all people instead of her. Honestly higher output than Mocte, and I don't need a strong archer right now anyway. She is good. And my fastest run had her. But she needs good equipment for herself. Like either odin. Or the lunar solar meteor dark set.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 1, 2021 3:39:29 GMT
Holy crap! I just tried out Jhansi using S/L and even outside ArchCom, she still has crazy output! Forget Moctezuma! Leadership, I'll be sorry to leave that behind, but I didn't invest in his skills anyway. Super Cheap, too! Just get her Inspiration to level 6, and she is amazing. And in 6 stars I hear she gets plunder. Awesome! Remember how I am not that much of an archers guy? She could be my arcjer until Industrial, when I can get Li Hongzhang, right? ArchCom people use her without infantry support,right? So with infantry support she could be even more durable. I can't believe I didn't use her earlier. And I chose CATHERINE of all people instead of her. Honestly higher output than Mocte, and I don't need a strong archer right now anyway. She is good. And my fastest run had her. But she needs good equipment for herself. Like either odin. Or the lunar solar meteor dark set. She is just Temporary, someone I can spend just 610 medals to get her to Gunpowder and upgrade her Inspiration to level 6, in the interim of Discovery to Industrial. Mocte is too expensive. Once I get to Industrial, she will be replaced by Li Hongzhang.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 3:49:52 GMT
She is good. And my fastest run had her. But she needs good equipment for herself. Like either odin. Or the lunar solar meteor dark set. She is just Temporary, someone I can spend just 610 medals to get her to Gunpowder and upgrade her Inspiration to level 6, in the interim of Discovery to Industrial. Mocte is too expensive. Once I get to Industrial, she will be replaced by Li Hongzhang. Here's my Jhansi. Atk and def should be fine once her inspiration is up. Hp is a bit low, so she might need better items. But she's pretty great. You just use her to hit units that got hit by leadership to build her rage, then once her archer comm is ready, she won't need any babysitting for 3 turns. She's permanent in the team, just need to get Nelson and eventually Pachi to max for my Archer comm team.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 1, 2021 11:56:41 GMT
She is just Temporary, someone I can spend just 610 medals to get her to Gunpowder and upgrade her Inspiration to level 6, in the interim of Discovery to Industrial. Mocte is too expensive. Once I get to Industrial, she will be replaced by Li Hongzhang. Here's my Jhansi. Atk and def should be fine once her inspiration is up. Hp is a bit low, so she might need better items. But she's pretty great. You just use her to hit units that got hit by leadership to build her rage, then once her archer comm is ready, she won't need any babysitting for 3 turns. She's permanent in the team, just need to get Nelson and eventually Pachi to max for my Archer comm team. I honestly don't care about her ArchCom. It can really be done without for me. I don't plan on getting many archers at all, only using one at a time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 13:32:25 GMT
Here's my Jhansi. Atk and def should be fine once her inspiration is up. Hp is a bit low, so she might need better items. But she's pretty great. You just use her to hit units that got hit by leadership to build her rage, then once her archer comm is ready, she won't need any babysitting for 3 turns. She's permanent in the team, just need to get Nelson and eventually Pachi to max for my Archer comm team. I honestly don't care about her ArchCom. It can really be done without for me. I don't plan on getting many archers at all, only using one at a time. Her archer comm increases her own attack as well.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 1, 2021 13:52:42 GMT
I honestly don't care about her ArchCom. It can really be done without for me. I don't plan on getting many archers at all, only using one at a time. Her archer comm increases her own attack as well. I know, but still, I don't want to max the skills of someone I'll leave behind in Industrial.
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