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Post by stoic on Nov 28, 2021 3:52:27 GMT
I think it is always a misjudgement to evaluate a general in a vacuum. Taken in isolation many generals seem to be unimpressive. But that's the point - to make them impressive using different lineups. Suri is lacking damage, that's true. But we have many ways to increase it. First and the most obvious way is to use her together with other Commanders like Attila etc. We can greatly increase her output this way, and she still has her outstanding combination Braveness/Plunder. Yeah, that's what makes her better really. Commander+ her skillset. Wish we got her earlier, she would've been great in auto-conquest thanks to her skillset. Her damage isn't too lacking,her damage after inspiration goes off is good, but her first hit is comparable to hannibal hitting non-infantry generals. That said, i would blame this comment as to why another new account was deleted  . Man, that's 2 in a week. One of the stoic principles of life: if you can't change the situation - just accept it |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 4:25:24 GMT
Yeah, that's what makes her better really. Commander+ her skillset. Wish we got her earlier, she would've been great in auto-conquest thanks to her skillset. Her damage isn't too lacking,her damage after inspiration goes off is good, but her first hit is comparable to hannibal hitting non-infantry generals. That said, i would blame this comment as to why another new account was deleted . Man, that's 2 in a week. One of the stoic principles of life: if you can't change the situation - just accept it That's true. My only problem with stoicism is how it's quite passive, similar to Buddhism. But then again you can just incorporate the great things aout stoicism(which are a lot) and use it in a more active way. Stoicism is an arrow, and we must be the bow . |
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Post by stoic on Nov 28, 2021 4:34:29 GMT
One of the stoic principles of life: if you can't change the situation - just accept it That's true. My only problem with stoicism is how it's quite passive, similar to Buddhism. But then again you can just incorporate the great things aout stoicism(which are a lot) and use it in a more active way. Stoicism is an arrow, and we must be the bow . I can't agree  The main aim of Buddhism (a real one, not a "new age" substitute) is to stop a wheel of reincarnations by refusing to act. Good deeds should be abandoned as well as bad deeds to stop the consequences of both. Stoicism is an epitome of action in comparison To push Sisyphus' boulder no matter what. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 4:43:19 GMT
That's true. My only problem with stoicism is how it's quite passive, similar to Buddhism. But then again you can just incorporate the great things aout stoicism(which are a lot) and use it in a more active way. Stoicism is an arrow, and we must be the bow . I can't agree The main aim of Buddhism (a real one, not a "new age" substitute) is to stop a wheel of reincarnations by refusing to act. Good deeds should be abandoned as well as bad deeds to stop the consequences of both. Stoicism is an epitome of action in comparison To push Sisyphus' boulder no matter what. Why not stop and think: why must we continue pushing the boulder? As for Buddhism, i'm more of a " to see heaven, you must experience hell" type of guy, that the best way to achieve greatness is to know hell. As above, so below(man i love hermeticism). That's where stoic beliefs comes in: in enduring hell. That said, you are also right. Stoicism is indeed more active than Buddhism, but in my perspective, it's active in a passive way if that makes sense. But that just might be me, enlighten me more about the topic . |
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Post by stoic on Nov 28, 2021 4:49:20 GMT
I can't agree The main aim of Buddhism (a real one, not a "new age" substitute) is to stop a wheel of reincarnations by refusing to act. Good deeds should be abandoned as well as bad deeds to stop the consequences of both. Stoicism is an epitome of action in comparison To push Sisyphus' boulder no matter what. Why not stop and think: why must we continue pushing the boulder? As for Buddhism, i'm more of a " to see heaven, you must experience hell" type of guy, that the best way to achieve greatness is to know hell. As above, so below(man i love hermeticism). That's where stoic beliefs comes in: in enduring hell. That said, you are also right. Stoicism is indeed more active than Buddhism, but in my perspective, it's active in a passive way if that makes sense. But that just might be me, enlighten me more about the topic . Yeah, maybe one day |
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Post by mayankshadow on Nov 28, 2021 5:40:02 GMT
To be honest i dont know much of Buddhism but i know it is a branch of hinduism. But thats related to ew5 cause asoka followed buddhism after he understood smthing like "we live just to live" Everything we do is setting scene to wht is necessary even my writing this and ur reading this. So coming back to suri first tell me why are there two deleted
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Then lets see. If u say she has low hlth. Tell me if attila can heal. If u say she has low dmg tell me if she cant buff equal to attila on much less cost. She is weak then why dont enemies attack her back. Okey u dont want to use it but she is not a bad pick. IMO she is after genghis and equal to blucher and attila. And believe me she is more useful in terms of jurisdiction than any cav. U can put her in comm department. Conq department. Single tank department. First hit department and offcourse lady department.
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Nov 28, 2021 5:52:47 GMT
To be honest i dont know much of Buddhism but i know it is a branch of hinduism. But thats related to ew5 cause asoka followed buddhism after he understood smthing like "we live just to live" Everything we do is setting scene to wht is necessary even my writing this and ur reading this. So coming back to suri first tell me why are there two deleted -_- Then lets see. If u say she has low hlth. Tell me if attila can heal. If u say she has low dmg tell me if she cant buff equal to attila on much less cost. She is weak then why dont enemies attack her back. Okey u dont want to use it but she is not a bad pick. IMO she is after genghis and equal to blucher and attila. And believe me she is more useful in terms of jurisdiction than any cav. U can put her in comm department. Conq department. Single tank department. First hit department and offcourse lady department. 1. Atilla can't heal, but he has Braveness, not a big problem. 2. Exact same cost for upgrades, and Atilla can outperform her with the same buffs. For initial cost, you need good generals to unlock Suri in the Arena and that costs medals, for further meaning. 3. Counterattacks, my friend. Her low defense makes her squishy on the counterattack, but Plunder solves it well. So I have talked her up, let's bring her down, using Blucher as a standard. 1. Blucher has his defensive aura, Plunder, and General, making him much less fragile than Suri. 2. Blucher has about the same output as her with Commander for both. 3. Ties to 1, but Blucher is much less worried about counters. If a general lands a hit on Blucher, he isn't worried, but if one lands a hit on Suri, she's a bit more worried. Bringing her back up again. She is the best cavalry aura without Attila factored in. Purple stats with aura and Inspiration. Has Braveness. Not as frail as Saladin. Really doesn't deserve to be equal to blucher and Attila. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 6:03:26 GMT
To be honest i dont know much of Buddhism but i know it is a branch of hinduism. But thats related to ew5 cause asoka followed buddhism after he understood smthing like "we live just to live" Everything we do is setting scene to wht is necessary even my writing this and ur reading this. So coming back to suri first tell me why are there two deleted -_- Then lets see. If u say she has low hlth. Tell me if attila can heal. If u say she has low dmg tell me if she cant buff equal to attila on much less cost. She is weak then why dont enemies attack her back. Okey u dont want to use it but she is not a bad pick. IMO she is after genghis and equal to blucher and attila. And believe me she is more useful in terms of jurisdiction than any cav. U can put her in comm department. Conq department. Single tank department. First hit department and offcourse lady department. 1. Atilla can't heal, but he has Braveness, not a big problem. 2. Exact same cost for upgrades, and Atilla can outperform her with the same buffs. For initial cost, you need good generals to unlock Suri in the Arena and that costs medals, for further meaning. 3. Counterattacks, my friend. Her low defense makes her squishy on the counterattack, but Plunder solves it well. So I have talked her up, let's bring her down, using Blucher as a standard. 1. Blucher has his defensive aura, Plunder, and General, making him much less fragile than Suri. 2. Blucher has about the same output as her with Commander for both. 3. Ties to 1, but Blucher is much less worried about counters. If a general lands a hit on Blucher, he isn't worried, but if one lands a hit on Suri, she's a bit more worried.  Suri has bravery my friend, so counterattacks are not a problem. I forgot to mention how good inspiration is. It increases attack and defense based on a percentage and not flat(correct me if i'm wrong)so Suri would benefit alot more from additional attack compared to those without. For medal costs, it's not relevant to include medal costs of generals used to get her, because the medal cost cannot be accurately be pinpointed, and we can change our opponents and abuse load and save to avoid bad outcomes, and we can always restart in case we get unlucky. Her total medal costs for all her skills is around 1.700 medals. Attila's commander skill alone costs a staggering 2.600+ medals. Cost wise,it's no contest. |
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Post by mayankshadow on Nov 28, 2021 6:25:14 GMT
1. Atilla can't heal, but he has Braveness, not a big problem. 2. Exact same cost for upgrades, and Atilla can outperform her with the same buffs. For initial cost, you need good generals to unlock Suri in the Arena and that costs medals, for further meaning. 3. Counterattacks, my friend. Her low defense makes her squishy on the counterattack, but Plunder solves it well. So I have talked her up, let's bring her down, using Blucher as a standard. 1. Blucher has his defensive aura, Plunder, and General, making him much less fragile than Suri. 2. Blucher has about the same output as her with Commander for both. 3. Ties to 1, but Blucher is much less worried about counters. If a general lands a hit on Blucher, he isn't worried, but if one lands a hit on Suri, she's a bit more worried. Suri has bravery my friend, so counterattacks are not a problem. I forgot to mention how good inspiration is. It increases attack and defense based on a percentage and not flat(correct me if i'm wrong)so Suri would benefit alot more from additional attack compared to those without. For medal costs, it's not relevant to include medal costs of generals used to get her, because the medal cost cannot be accurately be pinpointed, and we can change our opponents and abuse load and save to avoid bad outcomes, and we can always restart in case we get unlucky. Her total medal costs for all her skills is around 1.700 medals. Attila's commander skill alone costs a staggering 2.600+ medals. Cost wise,it's no contest. Rightly said. And she has better attack then blucher cause its her with comm not bluch if u add a comm buff to bluch add two to suri. That said it triggers her plunder more. And bluchers active equalizes her braveness and how more often her plunder is triggered more so still they are equal. Just do maths. Blucher gets two hits of 30% dmg and she gets one hit of 100%dmg and in terms of heal she easily heals up that 40percent extra dmg. Okey she might not be exactly equal but as an importance in cav comm she equals attila and bluch. as a normal run too no one easily like bluch if its not cav comm or heal run. Same with attila, attila is avoided for less hlth and suri wins there too. She dont have as much dmg though she suffices. And as for u said that arena thing. Okey dont do arena. We all do arena cause we want suri and stop after that. Et added arena for suri and so we use medals. Cant u see clearly that her awakening is passive and that is why we recommend her. Attila and bluch are more costly and require more attention she doesnt. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Nov 28, 2021 6:26:31 GMT
1. Atilla can't heal, but he has Braveness, not a big problem. 2. Exact same cost for upgrades, and Atilla can outperform her with the same buffs. For initial cost, you need good generals to unlock Suri in the Arena and that costs medals, for further meaning. 3. Counterattacks, my friend. Her low defense makes her squishy on the counterattack, but Plunder solves it well. So I have talked her up, let's bring her down, using Blucher as a standard. 1. Blucher has his defensive aura, Plunder, and General, making him much less fragile than Suri. 2. Blucher has about the same output as her with Commander for both. 3. Ties to 1, but Blucher is much less worried about counters. If a general lands a hit on Blucher, he isn't worried, but if one lands a hit on Suri, she's a bit more worried. Suri has bravery my friend, so counterattacks are not a problem. I forgot to mention how good inspiration is. It increases attack and defense based on a percentage and not flat(correct me if i'm wrong)so Suri would benefit alot more from additional attack compared to those without. For medal costs, it's not relevant to include medal costs of generals used to get her, because the medal cost cannot be accurately be pinpointed, and we can change our opponents and abuse load and save to avoid bad outcomes, and we can always restart in case we get unlucky. Her total medal costs for all her skills is around 1.700 medals. Attila's commander skill alone costs a staggering 2.600+ medals. Cost wise,it's no contest. I should have clarified: When the enemy attacks. Cost goes to her, sure, but Attila will offer more even with a high cost. Morale increases with percentages (maybe), but that would still be around purple stats, where Blucher is. |
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Post by mayankshadow on Nov 28, 2021 6:32:23 GMT
And thats wht i have been saying in Japanese. She is equal to them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 6:52:17 GMT
6Johnny23 , let's crunch some numbers, shall we?   This is suri with items. Without inspiration, she has 763 attack and 518 defense. With inspiration, she gets 877 attack and 595 defense. 877-763=114 additional attack
595-518= 77 additonal defense
763/877 = .87~13% additional attack
518/595= .87~13% additional defense
We can safely assume that inspiration increases attack and defense by 13%. But to make it more convincing,let's get her numbers without items.
  Without inspiration,she has 538 attack and 288 defense. With inspiration, she gets 618 attack and 331 defense. 618-538=80 additional attack 331-288=43 additional defense 538/618=.87~13% additional attack 288/331=.87~13% additional defense
Comparing her attack with and without items:
114-80= 34
34/114= .29~30% increase in attack.
This shows the hidden value of inspiration. Having high morale increases attack and defense by 13%. The higher you can make her stats go, the better. This means items, along with Cavalry commander, give her a deceptively higher defense, and more importantly, attack once she procs her inspiration.
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Post by mayankshadow on Nov 28, 2021 7:45:56 GMT
Wait was it not 20% . I remember reading -20% due to low morale smwhere. Edit here it is buddy  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 8:26:23 GMT
Wait was it not 20% . I remember reading -20% due to low morale smwhere. Edit here it is buddy I did the math, it was a 13% increase. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Nov 28, 2021 10:03:19 GMT
Wait was it not 20% . I remember reading -20% due to low morale smwhere. Edit here it is buddy I did the math, it was a 13% increase. 15. |
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. Man, that's 2 in a week.
