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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 10:33:46 GMT
Erich von Manstein, lmao, that's true. It should be original value- current value= x Then x/original value to know the percent increase. My bad, should've rechecked it. My high school algebra teacher would be mad at me for making such a mistake. 114/763= .149~15% 6Johnny23, mayankshadow, it's 15%. Still, my argument still stands. Numbers were wrong, and it was wrong in the favor of my argument for Suri. 
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Nov 28, 2021 11:02:33 GMT
Erich von Manstein, lmao, that's true. It should be original value- current value= x Then x/original value to know the percent increase. My bad, should've rechecked it. My high school algebra teacher would be mad at me for making such a mistake. 114/763= .149~15% 6Johnny23, mayankshadow, it's 15%. Still, my argument still stands. Numbers were wrong, and it was wrong in the favor of my argument for Suri. I actually did the math when I was trying to argue for Cleopatra. Inspiration can consistently push the GR up by 1.5. However, to reach 2, you will need some gold level equipment. FYI, GR stands for growth rate, generals with higher GR have better overall stats and higher cost. |
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Post by stoic on Nov 28, 2021 12:08:25 GMT
Erich von Manstein, lmao, that's true. It should be original value- current value= x
My high school algebra teacher would be mad at me for making such a mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 12:42:51 GMT
Erich von Manstein , lmao, that's true. It should be original value- current value= x Then x/original value to know the percent increase. My bad, should've rechecked it. My high school algebra teacher would be mad at me for making such a mistake. 114/763= .149~15% 6Johnny23 , mayankshadow , it's 15%. Still, my argument still stands. Numbers were wrong, and it was wrong in the favor of my argument for Suri. I actually did the math when I was trying to argue for Cleopatra. Inspiration can consistently push the GR up by 1.5. However, to reach 2, you will need some gold level equipment. FYI, GR stands for growth rate, generals with higher GR have better overall stats and higher cost. I see. Tbf, I should've been more thorough with the math, just did it quick to prove inspiration value. That said, the relevant issue is that inspiration gives percentage attack, therefore those with inspiration benefits a lot more from comms and items that boost attack and defense. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 12:44:11 GMT
Erich von Manstein , lmao, that's true. It should be original value- current value= x
My high school algebra teacher would be mad at me for making such a mistake.
I wish i could speak with such conviction as that guy when asked if he can prove that 13x7=28 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 13:10:06 GMT
Posted in the wrong thread |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Nov 28, 2021 16:23:21 GMT
 Suri has bravery my friend, so counterattacks are not a problem. I forgot to mention how good inspiration is. It increases attack and defense based on a percentage and not flat(correct me if i'm wrong)so Suri would benefit alot more from additional attack compared to those without. For medal costs, it's not relevant to include medal costs of generals used to get her, because the medal cost cannot be accurately be pinpointed, and we can change our opponents and abuse load and save to avoid bad outcomes, and we can always restart in case we get unlucky. Her total medal costs for all her skills is around 1.700 medals. Attila's commander skill alone costs a staggering 2.600+ medals. Cost wise,it's no contest. Rightly said. And she has better attack then blucher cause its her with comm not bluch if u add a comm buff to bluch add two to suri. That said it triggers her plunder more. And bluchers active equalizes her braveness and how more often her plunder is triggered more so still they are equal. Just do maths. Blucher gets two hits of 30% dmg and she gets one hit of 100%dmg and in terms of heal she easily heals up that 40percent extra dmg. Okey she might not be exactly equal but as an importance in cav comm she equals attila and bluch. as a normal run too no one easily like bluch if its not cav comm or heal run. Same with attila, attila is avoided for less hlth and suri wins there too. She dont have as much dmg though she suffices. And as for u said that arena thing. Okey dont do arena. We all do arena cause we want suri and stop after that. Et added arena for suri and so we use medals. Cant u see clearly that her awakening is passive and that is why we recommend her. Attila and bluch are more costly and require more attention she doesnt. You are going to use that commander for Blucher as well. Her importance in CavCom isn't equal to Attila (ignoring the math part because I can't make sense of it), who is almost irreplaceable for CavCom. People still got by without Suri before she was released, her importance is not equal to Attila. Blucher is not really as big of a component to CavCom as Suri, because he doesn't have the right active. Blucher can still be of use in other lineups because he has a great active for general use. Her awakening is good, yes, but for more attention you get: A key component to CavCom and the best cavalry general in the game, and a great generalist who can help your team tank hits. The former is worth the cost, the latter is worth the cost (only with investment). She is not as essential to CavCom as Attila, but she is the best 2nd commander. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 22:11:03 GMT
6Johnny23, now that you mention it, how essential really is Attila in cav comm? Hmmm, makes me want to start another gameplay, start playing cav comm, but not buy Attila in that team. That said, the argument was if she was good or bad. The math part was simply to show that inspiration indeed increased attack and defense by a percentage and not through a flat value( the math wasn't wrong per se as i got the percent of difference of the current value,which was 13% , rather than getting how much percent the number the difference between the original and current value dividing the difference using the current value, which is 15%). It's basic math, it just sounds more complicated when you use words to describe it, even my own description is whack. I can already see my geometry and calculus teachers going to my records and changing my previous grades for that. Anyway, point is, Suri gets much more value from items and comms, so her actual stat value are actually quite deceptive. She pretty much can reach higher attack numbers than Attila when inspiration pops. But glad we agree that she's good .
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Nov 28, 2021 22:16:23 GMT
6Johnny23 , now that you mention it, how essential really is Attila in cav comm? Hmmm, makes me want to start another gameplay, start playing cav comm, but not buy Attila in that team. That said, the argument was if she was good or bad. The math part was simply to show that inspiration indeed increased attack and defense by a percentage and not through a flat value( the math wasn't wrong per se as i got the percent of difference of the current value,which was 13% , rather than getting how much percent the number the difference between the original and current value dividing the difference using the current value, which is 15%). It's basic math, it just sounds more complicated when you use words to describe it, even my own description is whack. I can already see my geometry and calculus teachers going to my records and changing my previous grades for that. Anyway, point is, Suri gets much more value from items and comms, so her actual stat value are actually quite deceptive. She pretty much can reach higher attack numbers than Attila when inspiration pops. But glad we agree that she's good . Using your Suri's attack stat (538), we can multiply that my the morale boost and get 618.7 damage. We will round that down, because that's what ET does. Attila has 693 attack and Blucher has 645 attack. But it's impressive how a grey general (IIRC that's what her skills cost I believe) can get purple stats. If we plug in the rounded Inspiration stat with max commander (150%), we get 925 attack. The unrounded Inspiration stat with Commander is 928.05 (928). Attila with commander gets 1039.5 attack (1039). Blucher with an external commander buff gets 967.5 attack (967). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 22:38:30 GMT
6Johnny23 , now that you mention it, how essential really is Attila in cav comm? Hmmm, makes me want to start another gameplay, start playing cav comm, but not buy Attila in that team. That said, the argument was if she was good or bad. The math part was simply to show that inspiration indeed increased attack and defense by a percentage and not through a flat value( the math wasn't wrong per se as i got the percent of difference of the current value,which was 13% , rather than getting how much percent the number the difference between the original and current value dividing the difference using the current value, which is 15%). It's basic math, it just sounds more complicated when you use words to describe it, even my own description is whack. I can already see my geometry and calculus teachers going to my records and changing my previous grades for that. Anyway, point is, Suri gets much more value from items and comms, so her actual stat value are actually quite deceptive. She pretty much can reach higher attack numbers than Attila when inspiration pops. But glad we agree that she's good . Using your Suri's attack stat (538), we can multiply that my the morale boost and get 618.7 damage. We will round that down, because that's what ET does. Attila has 693 attack and Blucher has 645 attack. But it's impressive how a grey general (IIRC that's what her skills cost I believe) can get purple stats. If we plug in the rounded Inspiration stat with max commander (150%), we get 925 attack. The unrounded Inspiration stat with Commander is 928.05 (928). Attila with commander gets 1039.5 attack (1039). Blucher with an external commander buff gets 967.5 attack (967). Keep raising those numbers. She'll start catching up . |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 28, 2021 22:50:19 GMT
6Johnny23 , now that you mention it, how essential really is Attila in cav comm? Hmmm, makes me want to start another gameplay, start playing cav comm, but not buy Attila in that team. That said, the argument was if she was good or bad. The math part was simply to show that inspiration indeed increased attack and defense by a percentage and not through a flat value( the math wasn't wrong per se as i got the percent of difference of the current value,which was 13% , rather than getting how much percent the number the difference between the original and current value dividing the difference using the current value, which is 15%). It's basic math, it just sounds more complicated when you use words to describe it, even my own description is whack. I can already see my geometry and calculus teachers going to my records and changing my previous grades for that. Anyway, point is, Suri gets much more value from items and comms, so her actual stat value are actually quite deceptive. She pretty much can reach higher attack numbers than Attila when inspiration pops. But glad we agree that she's good . Using your Suri's attack stat (538), we can multiply that my the morale boost and get 618.7 damage. We will round that down, because that's what ET does. Attila has 693 attack and Blucher has 645 attack. But it's impressive how a grey general (IIRC that's what her skills cost I believe) can get purple stats. If we plug in the rounded Inspiration stat with max commander (150%), we get 925 attack. The unrounded Inspiration stat with Commander isย 928.05 (928). Attila with commander getsย 1039.5 attack (1039). Blucher with an external commander buff getsย 967.5 attack (967).ย Where does Suleiman fall in there? Or Edward? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 23:08:50 GMT
6Johnny23, practically speaking, in a 3 cav comm team, they should be reaching around 2.400-2.500+ attack. That's not excluding item differences. The real advantage i haven't thought about that Attila had is assault, which makes him regen his rage more consistently by killing infantry. In my run in a temple mission, with the ai asoka, suri got thr higher attack numbers over Attila, and subtracting the difference of weapon attack, suri managed to barely beat the master ( Attila beats her with higher lvl of attack master). Tbf, it doesn't matter, the point is already proven. Gerd von Rundstedt, Edward is a confident man, he doesn't need to prove his numbers
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Nov 29, 2021 0:31:33 GMT
6Johnny23 , practically speaking, in a 3 cav comm team, they should be reaching around 2.400-2.500+ attack. That's not excluding item differences. The real advantage i haven't thought about that Attila had is assault, which makes him regen his rage more consistently by killing infantry. In my run in a temple mission, with the ai asoka, suri got thr higher attack numbers over Attila, and subtracting the difference of weapon attack, suri managed to barely beat the master ( Attila beats her with higher lvl of attack master). Tbf, it doesn't matter, the point is already proven. Gerd von Rundstedt , Edward is a confident man, he doesn't need to prove his numbers Not the master! Gerd von Rundstedt , Suleiman has 729 attack, so with an external aura, gets 1093.5 (1093) attack. Edward has 571 attack, with an external aura, he gets 856.5 (856) attack. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 0:48:33 GMT
6Johnny23 , practically speaking, in a 3 cav comm team, they should be reaching around 2.400-2.500+ attack. That's not excluding item differences. The real advantage i haven't thought about that Attila had is assault, which makes him regen his rage more consistently by killing infantry. In my run in a temple mission, with the ai asoka, suri got thr higher attack numbers over Attila, and subtracting the difference of weapon attack, suri managed to barely beat the master ( Attila beats her with higher lvl of attack master). Tbf, it doesn't matter, the point is already proven. Gerd von Rundstedt , Edward is a confident man, he doesn't need to prove his numbers Not the master! Gerd von Rundstedt , Suleiman has 729 attack, so with an external aura, gets 1093.5 (1093) attack. Edward has 571 attack, with an external aura, he gets 856.5 (856) attack. I mean, Attila is the master. But then again, Charlemagne exists. Yea you're right, Attila is not the master. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Nov 29, 2021 2:24:32 GMT
Not the master! Gerd von Rundstedt , Suleiman has 729 attack, so with an external aura, gets 1093.5 (1093) attack. Edward has 571 attack, with an external aura, he gets 856.5 (856) attack. I mean, Attila is the master. But then again, Charlemagne exists. Yea you're right, Attila is not the master. Obviously Charlemagne is the master. So godly that people refuse to buy him, because if they do, his godliness ruins the fun of the game by insta-winning. *the previous statement is not fact, speaker does not hold liability for your mistakes* |
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