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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 9, 2021 15:03:27 GMT
hitler would have made a mad world we would live in now. but usa won. and usa is still ok. ofc there is still improvement necesary The USSR won. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 9, 2021 15:11:57 GMT
hitler would have made a mad world we would live in now. but usa won. and usa is still ok. ofc there is still improvement necesary The USSR won. I mean, to be fair the USA did bankroll their war. And distracted Japan from the Eastern Eastern front. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 9, 2021 15:40:35 GMT
I mean, to be fair the USA did bankroll their war. And distracted Japan from the Eastern Eastern front. 5% of it. But they did distract Japan though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 15:47:33 GMT
yepp i know. the western alliance plus ussr won
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Post by Thortilla on Dec 9, 2021 16:30:39 GMT
hitler would have made a mad world we would live in now. but usa won. and usa is still ok. ofc there is still improvement necesary The USSR won. Switzerland won. Btw technically USA won. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 9, 2021 17:02:15 GMT
@ronin , Thortilla , true. I mean that the USSR had the biggest impact on the victory of the allied powers by far. Not on Japan though, although they played a big part by taking Mantšuria in the Pacific too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 17:19:23 GMT
why switzerland? nooo
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Dec 10, 2021 0:11:09 GMT
@ronin , Thortilla , true. I mean that the USSR had the biggest impact on the victory of the allied powers by far. Not on Japan though, although they played a big part by taking Mantšuria in the Pacific too. the Atomic Bombs: HOW DARE YOU! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 12:32:36 GMT
usa only won thru atomic bombing japan. otherwise japan would never have surrendered
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 10, 2021 13:25:23 GMT
usa only won thru atomic bombing japan. otherwise japan would never have surrendered I don't think so, but it would have most probably taken longer. But after Stalin invaded Mantšuria, Japan was totally stripped of natural resources. It couldn't effectively wage war anymore. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 10, 2021 13:39:34 GMT
usa only won thru atomic bombing japan. otherwise japan would never have surrendered I don't think so, but it would have most probably taken longer. But after Stalin invaded Mantšuria, Japan was totally stripped of natural resources. It couldn't effectively wage war anymore. Quite Frankly, Japan was already stripped of their natural resources. The taking of Manchuria really wasn't (as far as I know) a major factor in the surrender of Japan. On the other hand, the firebombing of all of its major cities probably was, as well as the slog called China. From what I remember, Hirohito said thet the major reason for ending the war was the firebombing. I personally don't think that the atom bombs were needed, but I would, in Truman's place, still order it to be dropped, merely because I don't know what the Japanese were thinking, as well as to scare the Commies. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 13:47:50 GMT
as far as i know, were nagasaki and hiroshima the 2 main points of military production, which had to be destroyed under all circumstances to end the pacific ww2
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 10, 2021 15:23:07 GMT
as far as i know, were nagasaki and hiroshima the 2 main points of military production, which had to be destroyed under all circumstances to end the pacific ww2 Yes, that is how the Americans explained the usage of the A-bombs, but I don't quite -as far as I know many historians neither - think that losing the military facilitied there would have had ant Major effect alone. The bombing of course had an impact when 160,000 civillians died in the process. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 10, 2021 15:31:36 GMT
I don't think so, but it would have most probably taken longer. But after Stalin invaded Mantšuria, Japan was totally stripped of natural resources. It couldn't effectively wage war anymore. Quite Frankly, Japan was already stripped of their natural resources. The taking of Manchuria really wasn't (as far as I know) a major factor in the surrender of Japan. On the other hand, the firebombing of all of its major cities probably was, as well as the slog called China. From what I remember, Hirohito said thet the major reason for ending the war was the firebombing. I personally don't think that the atom bombs were needed, but I would, in Truman's place, still order it to be dropped, merely because I don't know what the Japanese were thinking, as well as to scare the Commies. They were, but it was sort of the last nail to Japan's coffin (as we say in Finland) in terms of losing the last very important source of natural resources. Among with that the Japanese armies in China were destroyed and Japan lost their last connection to mainland Japan after losing Manchuria and Korea, which was most probably a heavy blow to morale. I think neither the invasion of Manchuria or the atomic bombs, or the fire bombings were essential for final victory, but all certainly made it come faster and easier. If I would have been Truman I would have dropped the bombs as well, but if I would've been myself as the POTUS, I certainly would've not wanted to massmurder over 100,000 people. |
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Dec 10, 2021 17:21:42 GMT
I don't think so, but it would have most probably taken longer. But after Stalin invaded Mantšuria, Japan was totally stripped of natural resources. It couldn't effectively wage war anymore. Quite Frankly, Japan was already stripped of their natural resources. The taking of Manchuria really wasn't (as far as I know) a major factor in the surrender of Japan. On the other hand, the firebombing of all of its major cities probably was, as well as the slog called China. From what I remember, Hirohito said thet the major reason for ending the war was the firebombing. I personally don't think that the atom bombs were needed, but I would, in Truman's place, still order it to be dropped, merely because I don't know what the Japanese were thinking, as well as to scare the Commies. Wow, we have a potential war criminal on this forum |
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