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Mar 30, 2022 14:14:19 GMT
Post by hrabrimalitoster on Mar 30, 2022 14:14:19 GMT
Breton, Rise of Byzantium conquest, for some reason I got an E. I don't think I was fast enough for this mark, I could have finished in 30 turns but just then the Avars appeared and postponed the final victory. Has anything similar happened to anyone else?  In earlier ET games I got an E (0 score) when I finished the game too quickly so it made sense to me, here it seems to me that something else is at stake.  |
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Mar 30, 2022 17:29:50 GMT
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 30, 2022 17:29:50 GMT
I do think you were too fast, with a 1 star country on a big map they probably thought it was impossible.
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Mar 30, 2022 18:25:29 GMT
Post by jonblend on Mar 30, 2022 18:25:29 GMT
Breton, Rise of Byzantium conquest, for some reason I got an E. I don't think I was fast enough for this mark, I could have finished in 30 turns but just then the Avars appeared and postponed the final victory. Has anything similar happened to anyone else? In earlier ET games I got an E (0 score) when I finished the game too quickly so it made sense to me, here it seems to me that something else is at stake. I noticed something similar: The better I get at conquest the worse my score. In the beginning I would get S and now it's mostly A. Here are my theories (also, I had byzantine games where I finished before the Avars came but got better than E)
-units produced matter (I need fewer to achieve same results) -amount of units killed (I no longer kill everything but just go for capital and make them surrender) -declaring war (sometimes it's cheaper to kill a neutral/passage nation than to make them allies). Maybe we get a penalty for this and there is a policy which reduces the impact of breaking agreements -this came with the update  |
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Mar 30, 2022 18:45:38 GMT
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Post by blueberry on Mar 30, 2022 18:45:38 GMT
I noticed something similar: The better I get at conquest the worse my score. In the beginning I would get S and now it's mostly A. Here are my theories (also, I had byzantine games where I finished before the Avars came but got better than E) -units produced matter (I need fewer to achieve same results I think the biggest factor in getting a high score is how many countries you defeat, and I doubt the number of units produced has any impact on the score. Edit: after comparing my conquest results, maybe it's not the number of defeated countries as I thought. These are four conquests in barbarian invasions with similar turn counts and the highest score was with the one-star country: |
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Mar 30, 2022 18:56:59 GMT
Post by jonblend on Mar 30, 2022 18:56:59 GMT
These are for the viking conquest; only started taking pictures when I was surprised to not get S 
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Mar 30, 2022 19:02:05 GMT
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Post by blueberry on Mar 30, 2022 19:02:05 GMT
jonblend I edited my previous post while you were posting yours
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Mar 30, 2022 19:03:02 GMT
Post by andrei on Mar 30, 2022 19:03:02 GMT
jonblend , I only played every conquest in first two eras once (except for Ostrogoths which I did twice) and here are my screens. We can try to find the score dependency comparing 3 Your screens with same countries for me.   
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Mar 30, 2022 19:09:56 GMT
Post by andrei on Mar 30, 2022 19:09:56 GMT
Maybe quantity of units costs quite a lot.
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Mar 30, 2022 19:29:39 GMT
Post by jonblend on Mar 30, 2022 19:29:39 GMT
Maybe quantity of units costs quite a lot. Seems like it. Is it units produced or units killed, though?
If it's units killed, then I'm pretty sure that we don't get points for those that vanish when making an enemy surrender (via diplomacy or by conquering their last city) because this also doesn't count for the little quests which we get in the beginning.
blueberry, nice use of the battle report, this makes comparing much more convenient |
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Mar 30, 2022 19:36:43 GMT
Post by andrei on Mar 30, 2022 19:36:43 GMT
Maybe quantity of units costs quite a lot. Seems like it. Is it units produced or units killed, though?
If it's units killed, then I'm pretty sure that we don't get points for those that vanish when making an enemy surrender (via diplomacy or by conquering their last city) because this also doesn't count for the little quests which we get in the beginning. I think it is units killed. I have no idea how exactly it is calculated. Maybe with units' population cost? |
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Mar 30, 2022 20:28:06 GMT
Post by blueberry on Mar 30, 2022 20:28:06 GMT
Now that I remember, in this thread stoic showed a victory in the 3rd conquest in 26 rounds and got S, unlike hrabrimalitoster , and andrei showed very fast victories in the 1st and 2nd one, always receiving S. Could it be that the updates changed how the score is calculated? Or maybe there are just different thresholds for every rank of country below which the game thinks you've somehow cheated. |
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Mar 30, 2022 20:43:50 GMT
Post by andrei on Mar 30, 2022 20:43:50 GMT
Now that I remember, in this thread stoic showed a victory in the 3rd conquest in 26 rounds and got S, unlike hrabrimalitoster , and andrei showed very fast victories in the 1st and 2nd one, always receiving S. Could it be that the updates changed how the score is calculated? Or maybe there are just different thresholds for every rank of country below which the game thinks you've somehow cheated. I have no idea... Last time I played conquest was 22.03 as I see in my battle report screen. It was before the update as I understand. |
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Mar 30, 2022 20:53:50 GMT
Post by jonblend on Mar 30, 2022 20:53:50 GMT
Now that I remember, in this thread stoic showed a victory in the 3rd conquest in 26 rounds and got S, unlike hrabrimalitoster , and andrei showed very fast victories in the 1st and 2nd one, always receiving S. Could it be that the updates changed how the score is calculated? Or maybe there are just different thresholds for every rank of country below which the game thinks you've somehow cheated... Wouldn't be too surprising, GoG3 also gave the best scores for killing many units/countries and not primarily for a low turn count. I was looking in the battle report book for my most recent Viking conquests but couldn't find them. (East Anglia for example) This was last weekend when I was still on the previous update and doing a lot of s/l to convert scrolls into fragments at the same time.
Edit: Looks like we all haven't done Bretons in Byzantium conquest, so let's compare these results once completed  no pressure |
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Mar 30, 2022 23:20:09 GMT
Post by theme on Mar 30, 2022 23:20:09 GMT
 I think it's number of turns and stars which counts the most when calculating ending score. Kills(unit) doesn't seem to be a big factor |
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Mar 30, 2022 23:47:11 GMT
Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Mar 30, 2022 23:47:11 GMT
Wait, Avars appear in Rise of Byzantium Conquest? Maybe I played the Gephids too fast
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