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Post by prebenh on Aug 25, 2022 11:09:14 GMT
But does it mean that the amount of damage from my unit that can charge is divided on the enemy units, or multiplied by 2 or 3?
Thank you.
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Post by andrei on Aug 25, 2022 12:53:01 GMT
But does it mean that the amount of damage from my unit that can charge is divided on the enemy units, or multiplied by 2 or 3? Thank you. Charging unit deals double/tripple damage or better to say same (technically) damage to every enemy's legion unit. |
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Post by Boss Tweed on Aug 26, 2022 3:21:17 GMT
Love this guy. His price tag is a bit steep, but totally worth it. He one-shots everything but Cavalry Archers (which Timur, Cnut or any cavalry general usually take care of anyways). His skills work totally fine together and he has a solid unit.
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Post by crimsonkhan on Feb 3, 2023 4:58:33 GMT
Can you guys give me any good build ideas for cid. Right now I have him on ravenna-varang-noble
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Post by andrei on Feb 3, 2023 5:06:37 GMT
Can you guys give me any good build ideas for cid. Right now I have him on ravenna-varang-noble Hendao, Mamluks, Conquistadors |
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Post by prebenh on Feb 3, 2023 21:43:51 GMT
Would it be weaker to exchange the Mamluk with an IBC? That is my set up (and Varangian as I don't have Hengdao).
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Post by nikomachos on Feb 3, 2023 21:45:19 GMT
not at all that would work great also.
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Post by Erich on Feb 4, 2023 16:31:32 GMT
We have many options for El Cid, depends on your play style and units: -Fast& Furious: Hengdao+Mamluks+Conquistadors. -Fast two hits: Jet Black/Black Armor Guard+Ravenna+Conquistadors. -Light machine gun: Jet Black+Mamluks+Mongols -Heavy machine gun: Conquistadors+Mamluks+Mongols. -The demoralizer: Hengdao/Varan+Camel Archers+Elephent Archers … and many other things that you can imagine, the important is, do you have those units to give him  |
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Post by lafluth on Feb 6, 2023 7:42:15 GMT
I am kinda disappointed with el cid. I mean he is good but would not call him great.
No matter how I spin it I cannot find a set up that I am 100% happy with; I feel we are always making a compromise.
This is mainly because his outburst cannot apply to his best units, archers.
So it is necessarily a mixed bag.
If you want to use his great skill, you have to use a sub-optimal unit (either infy or cav), if you want to maximise unit power you cannot use his skill…
Same with equipment. Giving him helmet of the north to get just 1 turn less cooldown on outburst feels like such a waste.
And the fact that his special unit has only 9 movement also means we need to compromise on mobility again… either get more dmg using conquistador (but have low mobility) or use high mobility units but then you loose the dmg buff.
Also conquistadors rec. orders are difficult to get so it takes forever to upgrade them when they clearly are not a priority unit overall.
I would tend to think it would actually be better to just have him full archer and forget about his skill altogether. But I just cannot do that. So I have him with 1x lvl6 hengdao, 1x IBC and 1x conquist. Perhaps when hengdaos are levelled up he might shine more. At least with hengdao you get full mobility buffs, get a nice protection against range attacks and can make use of outburst. Sort of an archer killer. With lvl3 mantlet can be nice I guess.
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Post by jonblend on Feb 6, 2023 19:02:20 GMT
I am kinda disappointed with el cid. I mean he is good but would not call him great. No matter how I spin it I cannot find a set up that I am 100% happy with; I feel we are always making a compromise. This is mainly because his outburst cannot apply to his best units, archers. So it is necessarily a mixed bag. If you want to use his great skill, you have to use a sub-optimal unit (either infy or cav), if you want to maximise unit power you cannot use his skill… Same with equipment. Giving him helmet of the north to get just 1 turn less cooldown on outburst feels like such a waste. And the fact that his special unit has only 9 movement also means we need to compromise on mobility again… either get more dmg using conquistador (but have low mobility) or use high mobility units but then you loose the dmg buff. Also conquistadors rec. orders are difficult to get so it takes forever to upgrade them when they clearly are not a priority unit overall. I would tend to think it would actually be better to just have him full archer and forget about his skill altogether. But I just cannot do that. So I have him with 1x lvl6 hengdao, 1x IBC and 1x conquist. Perhaps when hengdaos are levelled up he might shine more. At least with hengdao you get full mobility buffs, get a nice protection against range attacks and can make use of outburst. Sort of an archer killer. With lvl3 mantlet can be nice I guess. Haha I feel the pain:) He rarely is useful with his mercenary units in hero legends and such, and setting such low expectations, I'm always surprised by how well he does in latest campaigns with generic mixed units/longbowmen. I had him on 3x Varangians and his weapon on Subutai for a very long time until I made Hardrada the primary Outburst user. After Subutai has his own weapon, I'm aiming for IBC, MR, conq on El Cid with rapid march and I can switch to MR gem combo whenever more dmg and less mobility is needed.
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Post by lafluth on Feb 7, 2023 0:51:16 GMT
Yes indeed rapid march combo should solve at least one of his shortcomings. So basically you are just foregoing his great skill… makes sense but I still cannot bring myself to do that  But….. rapid march needs a cav gem… meh. Again compromise. So I now decided I will keep building him mixed infy / archer. At least should be useful in some campaigns. Will give him helmet of the north  and buff his infy side with one or two gems. Siege master combo could be interesting for instance. Then I just need to keep upgrading hengdao. Will take forever but it is best infy so probably worth it any way. He will not be exceptional but probably good to have in conquest or some campaigns with mixed units (incl cav with upgraded outburst). |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Feb 7, 2023 22:28:33 GMT
This is my El Cid, and I decided to make him a hybrid general, but one that belongs more to infantry, in order to make the most of his Outburst skill, and I got a one-hit beast every two turns. Thanks to Conquistador, he is also good in the counterattack phase, and because of 2x HB, he has a good chance of surviving. Also, his unique unit is well protected since it is not the most advanced unit in the legion, which is a big problem with Cnut, Belisarius, Robert, Su, Beowulf...      |
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Post by Ralyks on Feb 8, 2023 18:04:09 GMT
While I dont think the infantry build is bad on El Cid (tho he is most focused on Ranged, like his Unique Weapon and skills push him to), I dislike the composition and the a bit gems.
El Cid is heavily favoured when equipping a Mobility Gem. Feel free to try.
Also, I don't get why 2 Hengdao Batallions. You have them lvl 20 so I guess you spent money and have troops to choose from. They are really strong, yes, but I would change one for a Modao Battalion or Lombardy Halberdiers. This will give the troop much more survivability against cavalry while also counterattacking harder.
This is like many games, when you're fed, anything works. Sure your Cid will still be good, but it could be better.
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Feb 8, 2023 18:15:17 GMT
Ralyks Def Inf don't have a charge mechanic, I think I was clear in my comment that I wanted to max out his Outburst ability. Better than 4k-5k dmg? Show me. I have posted pictures that show what I am claiming. Post yours too, which show in practice that what you are talking about makes sense, not in theory.
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Post by andrei on Feb 8, 2023 19:23:09 GMT
Ralyks Def Inf don't have a charge mechanic, I think I was clear in my comment that I wanted to max out his Outburst ability. Better than 4k-5k dmg? Show me. I have posted pictures that show what I am claiming. Post yours too, which show in practice that what you are talking about makes sense, not in theory. Great combination imo. Have You tried Mamluks instead of second Hengdao to compare the damage? I assume with Mamluks he will always have additional attack. Whether it compensates for the second Hengdao charge or not? |
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and buff his infy side with one or two gems. Siege master combo could be interesting for instance.
