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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Feb 8, 2023 21:43:56 GMT
andrei He will not always have a second attack with MA, only if we have mobility points left after the attack, he will get another +1 to mobility. It does less damage with IBC or MA instead of HB, but it's also a great combination, even better for Chalenge Conquest because it does more damage through counterattack, which is important for enemy army spam. The fact that El Cid has such a wide application, I see as its advantage, not its disadvantage. P. S. This image uploader doesn't work, so I can't hang a test with IBC/MA instead of HB, but the test showed that it is not able to destroy these units that it destroyed when it has 2x HB.
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Post by nexttimebro on Feb 8, 2023 22:14:48 GMT
after gems introduction there is no sense to have mixed units.
In case of ElCid itβs better to use only archer units. For campaigns/conquests use IBC/MA+ Ravenna + Conquistadors with rapid march (gems) for maximum dmg and mobility.
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Post by verily on Feb 9, 2023 7:59:30 GMT
after gems introduction there is no sense to have mixed units. In case of ElCid itβs better to use only archer units. For campaigns/conquests use IBC/MA+ Ravenna + Conquistadors with rapid march (gems) for maximum dmg and mobility. i disagree. i have my el cid legion spearman - varangian- conquistadors for movement bonus in forest and mountain. gems didnt have it. |
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Post by lafluth on Feb 9, 2023 12:25:21 GMT
While I dont think the infantry build is bad on El Cid (tho he is most focused on Ranged, like his Unique Weapon and skills push him to), I dislike the composition and the a bit gems. El Cid is heavily favoured when equipping a Mobility Gem. Feel free to try. Also, I don't get why 2 Hengdao Batallions. You have them lvl 20 so I guess you spent money and have troops to choose from. They are really strong, yes, but I would change one for a Modao Battalion or Lombardy Halberdiers. This will give the troop much more survivability against cavalry while also counterattacking harder. This is like many games, when you're fed, anything works. Sure your Cid will still be good, but it could be better. I guess it depends if you want an offensive or defensive el cid. Personally, because of outburst and dmg increase on his unique weapon, I think it makes more sense to build him as offense. But to each his own. I only have him with 1 hengdao but having 2 plus his conquis. makes a lot of sense. Will certainly consider that, thanks for sharing hrabrimalitoster |
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Post by jonblend on Feb 9, 2023 21:58:22 GMT
While I dont think the infantry build is bad on El Cid (tho he is most focused on Ranged, like his Unique Weapon and skills push him to), I dislike the composition and the a bit gems. El Cid is heavily favoured when equipping a Mobility Gem. Feel free to try. Also, I don't get why 2 Hengdao Batallions. You have them lvl 20 so I guess you spent money and have troops to choose from. They are really strong, yes, but I would change one for a Modao Battalion or Lombardy Halberdiers. This will give the troop much more survivability against cavalry while also counterattacking harder. This is like many games, when you're fed, anything works. Sure your Cid will still be good, but it could be better. I guess it depends if you want an offensive or defensive el cid. Personally, because of outburst and dmg increase on his unique weapon, I think it makes more sense to build him as offense. But to each his own. I only have him with 1 hengdao but having 2 plus his conquis. makes a lot of sense. Will certainly consider that, thanks for sharing hrabrimalitoster Absolutely, he has crazy high damage multipliers, making bonuses from capability points pale in comparison.
(1.2*1.2*1.15 from equipment, conq and title as well as *1.15 for inf *gems or *1.2*1.15 for ranged *gems) "Normal" inf Outbursters such as La Hire, Hardrada or Beowulf require a very specific unit/equipment/gems set up to come close to him. And then there is counterattack damage which all the 3xcharge unit builds don't (really) provide. |
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Post by π΅πππ ππ π¬ππ on Aug 5, 2023 16:49:56 GMT
You guys still use him? El Cid isn't mentioned a lot..
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Post by stoic on Aug 5, 2023 17:02:19 GMT
You guys still use him? El Cid isn't mentioned a lot.. I changed his legion to Teutonic axemen/Conquistadors/Mongolian Raiders and unlocked Rapid March through gems. Quite an interesting build, I should say. Probably Modao instead of Teutons should be even better, provided their level is sufficient enough. He's fine as a pure archer, but I don't like the idea to lose two skills. |
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Post by Anh Duy on Aug 5, 2023 23:07:26 GMT
Seeing you guys use infantry Ed Cid is a little bit weird for me  )) i mean he can be play with infantry units but for me Ed Cid is alway a Archer general a Infantry Archer general to be exact, from his skills to Unique weapon to his units, he is a Infantry Archer general so it's a little bit hard to looping with him, after all i thing he is a great hybrid general, but I think if you use Infantry Ed Cid he is still very strong, just don't mix units with him, 3 infantry or 2 infantry and his unit if you want more damage, I think the only Infantry Archer hybrid general that you can use normaly is Nases if I recall it correct (I haven't touched this game for a long time) |
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Post by π΅πππ ππ π¬ππ on Aug 6, 2023 0:26:12 GMT
Do you mean that El Cid is a Infantry-Archer hybrid or that he utilizes Ranged Infantry?
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Post by Boss Tweed on Aug 6, 2023 1:03:25 GMT
Do you mean that El Cid is a Infantry-Archer hybrid or that he utilizes Ranged Infantry? Just use him as full ranged. I won't go the "hybrid" option. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 6, 2023 3:55:10 GMT
Do you mean that El Cid is a Infantry-Archer hybrid or that he utilizes Ranged Infantry? Just use him as full ranged. I won't go the "hybrid" option. I did the same for quite a long time. But for me talents (especially those with a legion effect) changed many things. You lose in one place and gain in other. And quite often you gain more than you lose. |
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Post by Anh Duy on Aug 6, 2023 19:05:28 GMT
Do you mean that El Cid is a Infantry-Archer hybrid or that he utilizes Ranged Infantry? Ed Cid should be a Archer General because he born to play that way, but i think have more than 1 way to play a general is good, Archer or Hybrid is depend on your play style |
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Post by Boss Tweed on Aug 8, 2023 4:45:29 GMT
Just use him as full ranged. I won't go the "hybrid" option. I did the same for quite a long time. But for me talents (especially those with a legion effect) changed many things. You lose in one place and gain in other. And quite often you gain more than you lose. And that is my problem with him. He makes too many compromises. |
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)) i mean he can be play with infantry units but for me Ed Cid is alway a Archer general a Infantry Archer general to be exact, from his skills to Unique weapon to his units, he is a Infantry Archer general so it's a little bit hard to looping with him, after all i thing he is a great hybrid general, but I think if you use Infantry Ed Cid he is still very strong, just don't mix units with him, 3 infantry or 2 infantry and his unit if you want more damage, I think the only Infantry Archer hybrid general that you can use normaly is Nases if I recall it correct (I haven't touched this game for a long time)
