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Post by Ralyks on Feb 4, 2023 17:11:08 GMT
Ralyks , why not just pay everyone else to go to war against the Papal States? If you have money left, that is. Also, the Papal States wouldn't move troops far away so her neighbours are the best to use against her. However, the Papal States is far less likely to fight against her neighbours or some allies than others. You cant pay others to declare war on x freely.
You must be enemy of x faction to be able to ask an ally (and must be already ally, passage or neutral doesn't work). If you want to pay others to declare war on Papal States, you have to declare war on Papal States first, which will trigger the Christendom wave of war declarations (also, your ally most likely wont be your ally anymore)
Papal States will remain neutral with everyone. Turn 25 and he remains as he started, no changes in interactions. Like even Pirates will respect the Pope.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Feb 5, 2023 4:44:36 GMT
Ralyks, I understand the conditions behind inviting others to war and what happens after one declares war on the Papacy. But once you resolve the issue of the Christian states' allegiance to the Papacy, why hesitate to risk inviting the various states who you're allied to to fight the Papal States, if you have the money? Also, it is untrue that all states will remain neutral towards the Papal States. So far, it is the ONLY state that will only build good relations with everyone else. Practically all states will become its ally sooner or later.
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Post by Ralyks on Feb 5, 2023 10:43:34 GMT
Tested going into Papal States territory without having passage or alliance and just piss him off until he declares war on me. No Justinian else the pope tends to balance to 0 relations. No diplomacy policies either. And sadly it didn't work. When he got to -61 relations (dropping 10 each turn, then gaining 2 passively), he declared war, and on that same turn, everyone else did so. So y, the fastest way to have Rome on these Conquests for title achievements is to have everything set up to get hegemony and on the last turn, declare war and capture Rome, get the title and then finish Hegemony on that same turn (now also you must "Surrender" Papal States. Nobunaga Oda, wdym with allegiance? Am I missing smt? I did a bunch of runs and I didnt notice anything odd. 21 turns it took me my last hegemony, and Papal States ended neutral with everyone else, like not even passage. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Feb 5, 2023 13:07:51 GMT
Ralyks, only the Christian States will heed the Pope's call to arms, right? Then, they are programmed to fight the enemies of the Papal States. They are "allied" to the Papal States without an official state of being allies. I use Justinian as my Consul, so my state's relations with the Papal States will always increase. I cannot say if anything else can happen. However, I am sure that AI relations with the Papal States will always increase. You don't see it because your games end too early. Your method involves finishing the Papal States off in one and your last turn. Mine is simply to drive wedges between the Papacy and various states. Then, after securing my allies' support, ask them to fight the Papacy.
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Post by Ralyks on Feb 5, 2023 21:18:13 GMT
I just did the no-Justinian run just for the test, but nope, it doesn't matter if you declare war on them or they on you, the outcome is the same.
Im not sure on your method. If you declare war on the Papacy, then you should take them yourself as the most efficient. But the moment you declare war, everyone will so on you, so we're not any better. I wish there was a trigger in which if you defeat the Papacy, relations will be back to normal with the rest, as there's no point on the war any more.
My method defeats the Papacy without having to fight the other Christian Kingdoms, which are always the majority, but its a coin-toss, if you're unable to take Rome in one turn, you're screwed, but luckily Rome has 2 water tiles contacting it and above and below ground tiles will be left free.
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Post by Ralyks on Feb 5, 2023 21:22:33 GMT
Well, added two new sections to OP, Rewards and Challenges. Polished previous content, more bolding and some stuff I noticed (like Age also restricts your common troop options (need Feudal Age (age 3) to recruit troops higher than tier 2. Also that common troops available doesn't depend only on the conquest, but also the faction of the conquest. Like you have different options if you're Ayyubid or Cicilia for example. I didnt know this, idk if it was added on 2.0 or it was from before but I never noticed it, but now both are on the guide. Also added content for the latest Conquest, 100 Years War, added also possibility and recommendations for Titles. Its focused on both objectives and hegemony. I'm only missing the worst Conquest now.
Btw... finished Burgundy's objectives on turn 9 and I was given 2 Compasses instead of 3, that should've been the case for a 1 star faction. That was odd
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Post by verily on Feb 5, 2023 23:31:33 GMT
if you have money, you can pay those christian nation before they declare war. the diplomacy is -45 the moment you declare war to papacy. but some -100 like scotland and armenia.
even the papacy have 9999 coins and iron its not a threat, but the nations declaring war and prioritize you before their own enemy. you must have a large army before they gang you uo.
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Post by jonblend on Feb 6, 2023 18:32:49 GMT
I think that Ralyks 's method saves the most turns/time and we only have to occupy Rome for Arab, Mediterranean and Roman Empire. I was able to attack it from 4 tiles (prepare strong generals on viking boats and then switch to siege gear or carrack etc and maybe have a few pathfinder/helmsman supporters around) |
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Post by nikomachos on Feb 6, 2023 21:29:25 GMT
we also have to kill rome for conquest challenges. for example i just finished century of iron, c. cordoba on 75 difficulty with the minus 9 diplomacy per turn and the fun part is you CANNOT gift rome to ally bc you have so much malus against gifts and cordoba beeing islamic already had a minus 20 gifting which equals gifting 0. and justinian and diplomacy are not enough to accumulate positive diplomacy between the nations (at least in the minus 9 setup, maybe switching to minus 7 would work but then they declare war anyway bc you had the other diplomacy malus of challenge -45 selected.) i dont know how many such instances are that you simply have to go to war with rome but there are some at least. so the strategy was, yes paying the blackmail to rome in order to postpone the war long enough to be allied with everybody else who might have a problem with you declaring war on rome  so basically yes its the same there, waiting and finishing off. but just saying its more than just the 3 titles if you play challenge. same with iddrisid. edit. oh right, to avoid war you could make narses consul and gift 5 points but it was impossible as of that time, it beeing challenge mode and everybody spaming xD and all that. |
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Post by nikomachos on Feb 8, 2023 21:43:32 GMT
can sb please tell me or post the exact objectives for small victory in CENTURY OF IRON - for kingdom of ENGLAND. i am currently in a challenge and cant view them without overriding the game. if you have it still locked, maybe you can spare a cloud save for me  |
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Post by lafluth on Feb 9, 2023 19:53:50 GMT
can sb please tell me or post the exact objectives for small victory in CENTURY OF IRON - for kingdom of ENGLAND. i am currently in a challenge and cant view them without overriding the game. if you have it still locked, maybe you can spare a cloud save for me - capture aberrfraw - capture scone - defeat vikings |
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Post by nikomachos on Feb 9, 2023 21:03:13 GMT
thank you!
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Post by conkueror on Feb 10, 2023 19:10:23 GMT
Can you get the small victory thing done by doing those in challenge conquest? Like even tho it doesn't show them to you?
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Post by nikomachos on Feb 11, 2023 0:06:41 GMT
Can you get the small victory thing done by doing those in challenge conquest? Like even tho it doesn't show them to you? i certainly think so bc i received the compasses and rewards and 25k gold (not 12500 x 1 but 12500 x 2) the question i dont want to find out and waste a challenge run is: do i get small victory rewards without actually fulfilling requirments from normal mode. |
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Post by conkueror on Feb 11, 2023 16:28:11 GMT
I mean, can you also get the achievement thing (or whatever it is called)? Like the "Conquer X country" and then you can claim the rewards from the top-left corner?
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