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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 12:39:30 GMT
Sorry, but that's not a huge damage. Check Su Dingfang and other charge generals, who deals more damage and don't get damage back. Btw, Olga can kill that OP general in 1 turn. Su Dingfang 1 hit kill every legion:  Olga with skill reset:  |
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Post by stoic on Aug 24, 2022 12:44:06 GMT
Sorry, but that's not a huge damage. Check Su Dingfang and other charge generals, who deals more damage and don't get damage back. Btw, Olga can kill that OP general in 1 turn. Su Dingfang 1 hit kill every legion: Olga with skill reset: Well, your Dingfang activated his active and attacked one unit of Mamlukes. Then what? Timur with 200 ranged points probably can deal 2500 as well. But I am still puzzled what are you trying to say... Should we forget about Timur and to buy Su Dingfang instead? I have said that Timur is probably the best f2p general in the game available to every player. What does it have in common with Su Dingfang, Olga and other p2w generals? Obviously p2w generals should be better than free ones. You won't sell them otherwise  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 12:54:24 GMT
What do you mean? 2500+ damage is enough to kill every possible legion in battle mode (PvP) and you can reset his active every turn and keep him under active 100% of the time!
And your Timur is dead next turn, why don't you show this?
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Post by stoic on Aug 24, 2022 13:02:30 GMT
What do you mean? 2500+ damage is enough to kill every possible legion in battle mode (PvP) and you can reset his active every turn and keep him under active 100% of the time! And your Timur is dead next turn, why don't you show this? So, as I see, it is rather pointless to repeat again and again a couple of simple thoughts I tried to make. If you can't grasp what I am talking about, I am powerless to change it. Let's say you made your point, I made mine. Let's other players decide who did it better... |
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Post by andrei on Aug 24, 2022 13:07:50 GMT
What do you mean? 2500+ damage is enough to kill every possible legion in battle mode (PvP) and you can reset his active every turn and keep him under active 100% of the time! And your Timur is dead next turn, why don't you show this? OK, now we get to the point that this general needs skill reset. So You are comparing self-sufficient general with the general who will have a support. Isn't it.. is it fair? With reset Richard can also disable several targets and kill one. Is he a panacea? No. As I said many gens are good enough when You know what You are doing. Without support generals to back up Your Su he is also dead next turn, so what is the point of Your question about Timur? You are building team around one OP skill, OK, it is Your decision. You use several calmness gen to support Su or Olga, no problem. At the same time another player can rely on 3 attacking gens to wipe out the enemies around so there are no threats in the AI's phase of the turn. Why newcomers always suppose that their strategy is the only working? Can anyone answer? |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 24, 2022 13:19:00 GMT
What do you mean? 2500+ damage is enough to kill every possible legion in battle mode (PvP) and you can reset his active every turn and keep him under active 100% of the time! And your Timur is dead next turn, why don't you show this? You are comparing charge cav, Olga, and Su to archers with Timur. Apples to pears to oranges to peaches. Charge cav is meant to be a glass cannon, with 1 charge devastating any non-def inf (and sometimes def inf as well) to destruction, but being vulnerable during the interlude. Su is vulnerable to archers. Su doesn't have is active active, and then what? Olga relies on her active skill and 3 Calmness generals to reset it. While being a low-effort free kill, Olga is still pretty bad without Calmness spam. Timur finds a unit destroys it, avoiding dodge and landing a hit on the previously annoying Mamluks. Even if Timur dies, Timur still leaves a destructive streak. Can you say the same for Olga, who kills 1 unit with fire and dies, or Su, who is vulnerable without his active? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 13:20:57 GMT
What do you mean? 2500+ damage is enough to kill every possible legion in battle mode (PvP) and you can reset his active every turn and keep him under active 100% of the time! And your Timur is dead next turn, why don't you show this? OK, now we get to the point that this general needs skill reset. So You are comparing self-sufficient general with the general who will have a support. Isn't it.. is it fair? With reset Richard can also disable several targets and kill one. Is he a panacea? No. As I said many gens are good enough when You know what You are doing. Without support generals to back up Your Su he is also dead next turn, so what is the point of Your question about Timur? You are building team around one OP skill, OK, it is Your decision. You use several calmness gen to support Su or Olga, no problem. At the same time another player can rely on 3 attacking gens to wipe out the enemies around so there are no threats in the AI's phase of the turn. Why newcomers always suppose that their strategy is the only working? Can anyone answer? Then share please a video doing this! I shared a video with Su and Khan solo killing 12 enemies. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 13:26:50 GMT
What do you mean? 2500+ damage is enough to kill every possible legion in battle mode (PvP) and you can reset his active every turn and keep him under active 100% of the time! And your Timur is dead next turn, why don't you show this? You are comparing charge cav, Olga, and Su to archers with Timur. Apples to pears to oranges to peaches. Charge cav is meant to be a glass cannon, with 1 charge devastating any non-def inf (and sometimes def inf as well) to destruction, but being vulnerable during the interlude. Su is vulnerable to archers. Su doesn't have is active active, and then what? Olga relies on her active skill and 3 Calmness generals to reset it. While being a low-effort free kill, Olga is still pretty bad without Calmness spam. Timur finds a unit destroys it, avoiding dodge and landing a hit on the previously annoying Mamluks. Even if Timur dies, Timur still leaves a destructive streak. Can you say the same for Olga, who kills 1 unit with fire and dies, or Su, who is vulnerable without his active? Olga like Khan are not front generals. You use skill and run away or place someone in front. And Timur can't run away because he uses movement points to attack. Olga also boosts morale quite fast, and perfect support general. As I said go make a video of Timur killing everyone around like true OP generals do. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 24, 2022 13:28:52 GMT
OK, now we get to the point that this general needs skill reset. So You are comparing self-sufficient general with the general who will have a support. Isn't it.. is it fair? With reset Richard can also disable several targets and kill one. Is he a panacea? No. As I said many gens are good enough when You know what You are doing. Without support generals to back up Your Su he is also dead next turn, so what is the point of Your question about Timur? You are building team around one OP skill, OK, it is Your decision. You use several calmness gen to support Su or Olga, no problem. At the same time another player can rely on 3 attacking gens to wipe out the enemies around so there are no threats in the AI's phase of the turn. Why newcomers always suppose that their strategy is the only working? Can anyone answer? Then share please a video doing this! I shared a video with Su and Khan solo killing 12 enemies. "Then share please a video doing this! I shared a video with Su and Khan solo killing 12 enemies." Are images not enough? Evidence is evidence, whether a picture or a video. |
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Post by andrei on Aug 24, 2022 13:29:54 GMT
OK, now we get to the point that this general needs skill reset. So You are comparing self-sufficient general with the general who will have a support. Isn't it.. is it fair? With reset Richard can also disable several targets and kill one. Is he a panacea? No. As I said many gens are good enough when You know what You are doing. Without support generals to back up Your Su he is also dead next turn, so what is the point of Your question about Timur? You are building team around one OP skill, OK, it is Your decision. You use several calmness gen to support Su or Olga, no problem. At the same time another player can rely on 3 attacking gens to wipe out the enemies around so there are no threats in the AI's phase of the turn. Why newcomers always suppose that their strategy is the only working? Can anyone answer? Then share please a video doing this! I shared a video with Su and Khan solo killing 12 enemies. LOL, and what exactly You propose with Your strategy here to the players? Guys, just pay money to win? Is this Your proposal? |
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Post by stoic on Aug 24, 2022 13:30:08 GMT
As I thought the damage of Timur is not far behind Dingfang  And he will not die next turn.  With some upgrades here and there he can reach 2500-2600 points of damage |
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Post by verily on Aug 24, 2022 13:30:12 GMT
I agree that timur is easy to die, i have hard the utilize him. Also he is the best f2p general with item which is good. It's just hard to level up unique unit imperial cavalry, also easily dealt by melee infantry and charge cavalry (because range cavalry is weak to such units) good on archers fighting archers because of dodge. So it depends on player. Most players with iap generals don't use timur. For f2p the best general to have.
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 24, 2022 13:35:27 GMT
You are comparing charge cav, Olga, and Su to archers with Timur. Apples to pears to oranges to peaches. Charge cav is meant to be a glass cannon, with 1 charge devastating any non-def inf (and sometimes def inf as well) to destruction, but being vulnerable during the interlude. Su is vulnerable to archers. Su doesn't have is active active, and then what? Olga relies on her active skill and 3 Calmness generals to reset it. While being a low-effort free kill, Olga is still pretty bad without Calmness spam. Timur finds a unit destroys it, avoiding dodge and landing a hit on the previously annoying Mamluks. Even if Timur dies, Timur still leaves a destructive streak. Can you say the same for Olga, who kills 1 unit with fire and dies, or Su, who is vulnerable without his active? Olga like Khan are not front generals. You use skill and run away or place someone in front. And Timur can't run away because he uses movement points to attack. Olga also boosts morale quite fast, and perfect support general. As I said go make a video of Timur killing everyone around like true OP generals do. So Su Dingfang does not consume movement points to attack? Khan does not attack with movement points? Your strategy is in essence saying that if you buy Richard; use his active to immobilize your enemies 4 times with Caesar, Theodora, and Matilda of Boulogne; then run away, leaving your other generals as meatshields. Does making a video qualify a general to be "true OP"? |
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Post by stoic on Aug 24, 2022 13:37:38 GMT
I agree that timur is easy to die, i have hard the utilize him. Also he is the best f2p general with item which is good. It's just hard to level up unique unit imperial cavalry, also easily dealt by melee infantry and charge cavalry (because range cavalry is weak to such units) good on archers fighting archers because of dodge. So it depends on player. Most players with iap generals don't use timur. For f2p the best general to have. I sell small war drums but not the big ones. Yet I have so many of them, that I will probably sell them as well. I completed Edward's hard campaign today and I simply don't remember that Timur had lost a unit, not to say died, even without war drums.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 13:48:09 GMT
Olga like Khan are not front generals. You use skill and run away or place someone in front. And Timur can't run away because he uses movement points to attack. Olga also boosts morale quite fast, and perfect support general. As I said go make a video of Timur killing everyone around like true OP generals do. So Su Dingfang does not consume movement points to attack? Khan does not attack with movement points? Your strategy is in essence saying that if you buy Richard; use his active to immobilize your enemies 4 times with Caesar, Theodora, and Matilda of Boulogne; then run away, leaving your other generals as meatshields. Does making a video qualify a general to be "true OP"? Yes, Khan doesn't need movement points to attack enemies. People just use his active and run away. Su is unkillable with active and you can run away next turn. Both generals are hit and run types. Richard will die from counter attack, what are you talking? Richard is bad end-game. |
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