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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 20, 2022 19:28:35 GMT
Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov and Darth NihilusSo, as you have probably already seen as well, Austria-Hungary returned to the issue of Czechoslovakia. And the question is, what should be the stance of our alliance on this issue? France, in the past, guaranteed the independence of Czechoslovakia, and I guess you're continuing this, Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, based on your previous reply about that issue when it occurred first time? Also, a Czechoslovakia being an Austria-Hungarian territory would corner Poland more addding to the all of Austria-Hungary's territory surrounding it, Konigsberg from the north and the German mainland from the west, and Czechoslovakia would be from the south. So, I think it is unthinkable to let them invade Czechoslovakia with these conditions, as it would be disadvantageous for all of us. The only thing is, as our rejection might make them declare war on us, are we ready to fight with Austria-Hungary in an event of war? Considering that France is already busy in Spain and Turkey, and that I'll attack Turkey too when my armies arrive, I'm a bit unsure about the answer. Of course, we can fight, what I mean is that, would waiting a bit more be better, or would it be better not to wait any more and act right now? And, on the other hand, we all know that appeasement policies have been useless so far, as we have seen in the previous years before now, and we can't let Austria-Hungary swallow Czechoslovakia and strengthen again, after uniting with Hungary and Germany, like a new Germany, unless there is an equal advantage for us. Furthermore, for example, in Romania, we have gained a factory and new territory in Romania, which will serve as an shield for us against them in an event of war with them. But this can't probably happen with Czechoslovakia, as they claim it as a whole. Moreover, Romania was a threat to us all, while Czechoslovakia is a country that is not corrupt and cannot be sacrificed for them to occupy, unless there is a very special reason and condition, which is unlikely in my opinion, at least right now. In conclusion, considering the previous points too, I think we should see if it is possible to find a solution, and if it isn't, then to fight if we are ready for a war. And what are your opinions on this matter? Only for Eugene V. Debs and Darth NihilusThere is a certain risk to wa, especially if Italy joins it, but there's still three of us and things in Spain are looking pretty good.
But for me, the deciding factor is Czechoslovakia's indpendence. France has and will guarantee it and I don't see any compromises. So in my opinion, we should not give Austria-Hungary a square metre of Czechoslovakian land. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 20, 2022 19:30:29 GMT
Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov and Darth Nihilus So, as you have probably already seen as well, Austria-Hungary returned to the issue of Czechoslovakia. And the question is, what should be the stance of our alliance on this issue? France, in the past, guaranteed the independence of Czechoslovakia, and I guess you're continuing this, Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov , based on your previous reply about that issue when it occurred first time? Also, a Czechoslovakia being an Austria-Hungarian territory would corner Poland more addding to the all of Austria-Hungary's territory surrounding it, Konigsberg from the north and the German mainland from the west, and Czechoslovakia would be from the south. So, I think it is unthinkable to let them invade Czechoslovakia with these conditions, as it would be disadvantageous for all of us. The only thing is, as our rejection might make them declare war on us, are we ready to fight with Austria-Hungary in an event of war? Considering that France is already busy in Spain and Turkey, and that I'll attack Turkey too when my armies arrive, I'm a bit unsure about the answer. Of course, we can fight, what I mean is that, would waiting a bit more be better, or would it be better not to wait any more and act right now? And, on the other hand, we all know that appeasement policies have been useless so far, as we have seen in the previous years before now, and we can't let Austria-Hungary swallow Czechoslovakia and strengthen again, after uniting with Hungary and Germany, like a new Germany, unless there is an equal advantage for us. Furthermore, for example, in Romania, we have gained a factory and new territory in Romania, which will serve as an shield for us against them in an event of war with them. But this can't probably happen with Czechoslovakia, as they claim it as a whole. Moreover, Romania was a threat to us all, while Czechoslovakia is a country that is not corrupt and cannot be sacrificed for them to occupy, unless there is a very special reason and condition, which is unlikely in my opinion, at least right now. In conclusion, considering the previous points too, I think we should see if it is possible to find a solution, and if it isn't, then to fight if we are ready for a war. And what are your opinions on this matter? Only for Eugene V. Debs, Kliment Jefremovitš VorošilovMy solution: Stall (lol)
To give Austria-Hungary a false sense of hope, tell them that we're divided on the issue of Czechoslovakia, and to give us a couple of pages to decide. In the meantime, I will distribute my armies in a defensive line and build some more fortifications so that in the event of an Austrian invasion I can hold them off while you guys deal with the other countries.
I think the fact that we have Romania means we could try to attack Istanbul and capture Turkey within one battle, but we definitely don't want to be drawn into a long war there. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 20, 2022 19:35:46 GMT
Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov and Darth Nihilus So, as you have probably already seen as well, Austria-Hungary returned to the issue of Czechoslovakia. And the question is, what should be the stance of our alliance on this issue? France, in the past, guaranteed the independence of Czechoslovakia, and I guess you're continuing this, Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov , based on your previous reply about that issue when it occurred first time? Also, a Czechoslovakia being an Austria-Hungarian territory would corner Poland more addding to the all of Austria-Hungary's territory surrounding it, Konigsberg from the north and the German mainland from the west, and Czechoslovakia would be from the south. So, I think it is unthinkable to let them invade Czechoslovakia with these conditions, as it would be disadvantageous for all of us. The only thing is, as our rejection might make them declare war on us, are we ready to fight with Austria-Hungary in an event of war? Considering that France is already busy in Spain and Turkey, and that I'll attack Turkey too when my armies arrive, I'm a bit unsure about the answer. Of course, we can fight, what I mean is that, would waiting a bit more be better, or would it be better not to wait any more and act right now? And, on the other hand, we all know that appeasement policies have been useless so far, as we have seen in the previous years before now, and we can't let Austria-Hungary swallow Czechoslovakia and strengthen again, after uniting with Hungary and Germany, like a new Germany, unless there is an equal advantage for us. Furthermore, for example, in Romania, we have gained a factory and new territory in Romania, which will serve as an shield for us against them in an event of war with them. But this can't probably happen with Czechoslovakia, as they claim it as a whole. Moreover, Romania was a threat to us all, while Czechoslovakia is a country that is not corrupt and cannot be sacrificed for them to occupy, unless there is a very special reason and condition, which is unlikely in my opinion, at least right now. In conclusion, considering the previous points too, I think we should see if it is possible to find a solution, and if it isn't, then to fight if we are ready for a war. And what are your opinions on this matter? Only for Eugene V. Debs, Kliment Jefremovitš VorošilovMy solution: Stall (lol)
To give Austria-Hungary a false sense of hope, tell them that we're divided on the issue of Czechoslovakia, and to give us a couple of pages to decide. In the meantime, I will distribute my armies in a defensive line and build some more fortifications so that in the event of an Austrian invasion I can hold them off while you guys deal with the other countries.
I think the fact that we have Romania means we could try to attack Istanbul and capture Turkey within one battle, but we definitely don't want to be drawn into a long war there. Only for Eugene V. Debs and Darth NihilusAbout Turkey a quick invasion with great force could end the war quickly. Like you said it'll be crucial to end the war quickly since battles in Syria haven't gone well. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 20, 2022 19:36:49 GMT
As Romania has been consolidated into the revived Polish Commonwealth, we redistribute our armies.  Red: Gdańsk - Łódź defensive line (0.2 fortification bonus) As the German expansion has become all the more threatening to our territory, I start the construction of a defensive line from Lodz to L'viv (+ 0.1 defensive bonus), exterior to the existing line. This will take two pages. We also begin the construction of a Black Sea fleet to complement the Soviet fleet there. Our Lithuanian corps has been advised to retreat to Alytus in the event of an enemy movement from Konigsberg in order to avoid being cut off. |
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 20, 2022 19:43:59 GMT
Darth Nihilus , creation of such a line is a direct act of aggression! Our "expansion" as you call it is simply us returning to our rightful territory. Not only that, but you gained territory from the war which isn't even rightfully yours! Abandon the construction, or I will be forced to place troops across our border. Not only that, but we are not Germans! We are Austro-Hungarians, citizens of a proud empire! Such blatant disrespect is unacceptable. How would you like me to call you Lithuanians simply because you occupy that territory?
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 20, 2022 19:49:46 GMT
Darth Nihilus , creation of such a line is a direct act of aggression! Our "expansion" as you call it is simply us returning to our rightful territory. Not only that, but you gained territory from the war which isn't even rightfully yours! Abandon the construction, or I will be forced to place troops across our border. Not only that, but we are not Germans! We are Austro-Hungarians, citizens of a proud empire! Such blatant disrespect is unacceptable. How would you like me to call you Lithuanians simply because you occupy that territory? Only one with a twisted mind can call a weaker country defending itself an act of aggression. It is clear to everyone that the Germans in your empire wish to regain western Prussia. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 20, 2022 19:53:21 GMT
Only for Darth Nihilus and Eugene V. DebsAfter looking at the recent map for the defence line, I thought we should determine borders of the Baltics. I don't have any historical claim to the region, but 35,000 French died in the war so I would request permanently a part of northwestern Latvia.  Red: USSR, Dark blue: France, Light blue: temporary French zone of occupation (Poland after the war), Green: Poland |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 20, 2022 19:56:39 GMT
Darth Nihilus , creation of such a line is a direct act of aggression! Our "expansion" as you call it is simply us returning to our rightful territory. Not only that, but you gained territory from the war which isn't even rightfully yours! Abandon the construction, or I will be forced to place troops across our border. Not only that, but we are not Germans! We are Austro-Hungarians, citizens of a proud empire! Such blatant disrespect is unacceptable. How would you like me to call you Lithuanians simply because you occupy that territory? As of now we have only ever built fortifications on native Polish territory, and we have in fact moved three of our four armies out of Romania, so the notion of us gaining territory unrightfully is absurd! In addition, none of the fortifications we have built are within 30 km of the Polish border, so neither our troops nor our guns will be within range of your territory. Besides, these new fortifications are being built across Czechoslovakia, which you do not occupy. As for calling you Germans, perhaps I have been mistaken, but mind you that the current Chancellor of Germany is indeed an Austrian, which makes it quite easy for us to confound the two nations. |
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 20, 2022 19:58:18 GMT
Darth Nihilus , creation of such a line is a direct act of aggression! Our "expansion" as you call it is simply us returning to our rightful territory. Not only that, but you gained territory from the war which isn't even rightfully yours! Abandon the construction, or I will be forced to place troops across our border. Not only that, but we are not Germans! We are Austro-Hungarians, citizens of a proud empire! Such blatant disrespect is unacceptable. How would you like me to call you Lithuanians simply because you occupy that territory? Only one with a twisted mind can call a weaker country defending itself an act of aggression. It is clear to everyone that the Germans in your empire wish to regain western Prussia. What?! This is complete blasphemy! I have made no attempts of aggression towards Poland and its Prussian territory. I have stationed no troops along their border, nor have made any sort of attack.
If I wished to wage war against the poles, I would have maintained my complete occupation of Romania! These claims are unbased slander against the empire, and attempts to vilify us as fascist Germans, who we have removed from power, are heinous. Eugene V. Debs, surely you are more reasonable than your compatriots? |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 20, 2022 19:59:49 GMT
Only for Darth Nihilus and Eugene V. Debs After looking at the recent map for the defence line, I thought we should determine borders of the Baltics. I don't have any historical claim to the region, but 35,000 French died in the war so I would request permanently a part of northwestern Latvia. Red: USSR, Dark blue: France, Light blue: temporary French zone of occupation (Poland after the war), Green: Poland Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, Eugene V. DebsI think France and the USSR can take all of Latvia. I would like to request a claim of Klaipeda, in exchange for territory in Latvia, which I have no interest in. |
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 20, 2022 20:02:45 GMT
Darth Nihilus , creation of such a line is a direct act of aggression! Our "expansion" as you call it is simply us returning to our rightful territory. Not only that, but you gained territory from the war which isn't even rightfully yours! Abandon the construction, or I will be forced to place troops across our border. Not only that, but we are not Germans! We are Austro-Hungarians, citizens of a proud empire! Such blatant disrespect is unacceptable. How would you like me to call you Lithuanians simply because you occupy that territory? As of now we have only ever built fortifications on native Polish territory, and we have in fact moved three of our four armies out of Romania, so the notion of us gaining territory unrightfully is absurd! In addition, none of the fortifications we have built are within 30 km of the Polish border, so neither our troops nor our guns will be within range of your territory. Besides, these new fortifications are being built across Czechoslovakia, which you do not occupy. As for calling you Germans, perhaps I have been mistaken, but mind you that the current Chancellor of Germany is indeed an Austrian, which makes it quite easy for us to confound the two nations. Said Chancellor stepped down from power, and is no longer in control of what was once Germany. We have been working on removing all his fascist henchmen from any offices. As for the fortifications I was unaware it was away from the border, however the way you phrased it was a direct insinuation of aggression on behalf of the empire. And as for Romania, it matters not that you have removed your armies. The territory you occupy is not historically yours. I have no issue with you incorporating it, but to paint me as the aggressive one while I'm simply reclaiming past lands of Austro-Hungaria is absurd. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 20, 2022 20:04:21 GMT
Only for Darth Nihilus and Eugene V. Debs After looking at the recent map for the defence line, I thought we should determine borders of the Baltics. I don't have any historical claim to the region, but 35,000 French died in the war so I would request permanently a part of northwestern Latvia. Red: USSR, Dark blue: France, Light blue: temporary French zone of occupation (Poland after the war), Green: Poland Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov , Eugene V. Debs I think France and the USSR can take all of Latvia. I would like to request a claim of Klaipeda, in exchange for territory in Latvia, which I have no interest in. Only for Darth Nihilus and Eugene V. DebsYou would have got it right away after (if) Königsberg is dealt with, but you can have it right away, but can I have the coastal part south of it to have a border with Königsberg.
Also, about Latvia, could I claim all of Polands portion? |
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 20, 2022 20:06:23 GMT
Eugene V. Debs only Dear Soviet leader, your allies are currently trying to smear my image! I come to you because I believe we have the most in common. You're the only one who understands the importance of reclaiming historical lands, as you did with the Baltics (though you still have not reclaimed all that is yours...)
Please bring your allies back to their senses. I fear they may be planning a false flag in order to justify the invasion of my sovereign empire.
Sincerely,
Sir Kent, King of Austria-Hungary
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 20, 2022 20:10:51 GMT
Only for Darth Nihilus and Eugene V. Debs You would have got it right away after (if) Königsberg is dealt with, but you can have it right away, but can I have the coastal part south of it to have a border with Königsberg.
Also, about Latvia, could I claim all of Polands portion? Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov , Eugene V. Debs Sure, I'll announce the coastal regions as a joint French-Polish annexation zone, so you can place troops there if you want. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 20, 2022 20:12:27 GMT
Said Chancellor stepped down from power, and is no longer in control of what was once Germany. We have been working on removing all his fascist henchmen from any offices. As for the fortifications I was unaware it was away from the border, however the way you phrased it was a direct insinuation of aggression on behalf of the empire. And as for Romania, it matters not that you have removed your armies. The territory you occupy is not historically yours. I have no issue with you incorporating it, but to paint me as the aggressive one while I'm simply reclaiming past lands of Austro-Hungaria is absurd. Of course, Poland does not have nearly the amount of troops necessary to launch an invasion of Germany, not that we would want to do one anyway. The fortifications are simply a consequence of us being invaded multiple times in the past century. |
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