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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 23, 2022 22:32:20 GMT
I just realized, I meant to feel in the whole of Poland on the maps but I forgot (nervous chuckle) let's just pretend it's filled in lol Alright buddy that's enough disrespect I declare war Jk |
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Nov 24, 2022 17:18:10 GMT
Only for Warlord247 I first want to thank you for your honesty, no matter whether I agree to your points or not. I will answer your questions, and I have questions too, as I believe communication is important, whether it yields results or not.
Let's assume that your first two points are correct in order to pass to the last question, which I really have high suspicions. Though this doesn't mean that I agree, I will just base my answer on your claims. You say thay you will help me spread the revolution. Why would you do this? If you really defended communism, then you can pretty well easily have declared yourself something like "People's Union of Austria and Hungary" and you would have been a communist state. But you chose to revive the Austria-Hungary, and you declare yourself the king, and you control your country with monarchy. What is your difference from any monarchy in the history? What is your difference from Greece, Italy, Albania? What is your difference from the Bourbones or Bonapartes? Or Habsburgs, your empire's original leaders in the past? Nothing. If you truly wanted to be communist, then there would have been written "Comrade Kent" in the end of your telegraph, not "Sir" or "King". You may say that you wouldn't have been let to survive as an communist state in the middle of Europe by the capitalists and monarchists, but you could have got our, the Soviet Union's support right away in this way. Also, you looked really enthusiastic in reviving Austria-Hungary, if your aim was just not to attract the attack of the right (like the Russian civil war) you could have basically formed a normal republic. And you say that Austria-Hungary would remain a monarchy until the death of its monarch. If you were a real and enthusiastic communist, now you would have already declared the official communism. But you say that Austria-Hungary will continue as its current form, although not forever. Why would you do that while you could have been a communist at first? Because being communism is not your aim, and your aim is just to gain my trust? With all the evidence and these points, I do not see any reason why you would do this or whether your real plan is what you claim. So, I assume we can pass to the next point.
Then, let's say that you've newly realised the facts about the world order and communism now. Please put yourself in my point of view. Doesn't it look suspicious that one wants your support immediately after they faced a diplomatic crisis? Why not yesterday or why not tomorrow? Or why not the first day you rose to power?
Why would I believe that you aren't just trying to get my support by using the word "communism"? Why would I prefer a monarchy to a democracy? Why would I trust you in such a critical subject? What is your difference? I agree, your management has been fair so far, but all those who rises to power acts so at first to gain public support, as the whole history shows us. And then their mask falls off their head, and their real self, corrupt with numeruous unjust actions on the way to the power, reveals itself... How can you assure me that wouldn't be your case too?
And our ideologic gap is much bigger with you, continuing from the previous points. There's no one that all my interests totally concur with in Europe, specifically in terms of ideology. But there are some that I can find a middle ground and agree on some common principles, one way or another.
And France and Poland are really close to me, and I trust them. And they trust me. Trust cannot be sacrificed for dishonoured political intentions. There's no war but class war in the end, to bring the humanity into its eternal peace. But now, we are countries, and we should defend our interests too. And we, the USSR, will defend the humanity until the victory of us all, which is the ultimate aim of the Comintern and ours, as well as our own motherland. And then the world shall be the motherland of the fellowship of the united humanity and all the lives in the world, without exception, all of us, to whom we, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, shall be leading to the eternal victory of us all, gloriously and victoriously.
Therefore, even if some of your points can be correct per se, they are not enough to prove your intentions or to convince me and they have some serious gaps about some serious matters, which I've mentioned above. I'd really like to hear your reply to them, and I'll be waiting for your response. As I've said at the beginning too, I can't and won't guarantee anything, but I believe in communication, because even if it doesn't yield fruits in diplomatic relations and doesn't result in anything, it should be tried until there are no other choices possible and all the sides have said everything they wanted, before the diplomatic channel is closed. And I genuinely believe that you will appreciate this fact as well.
Sincerely, only I thank you for your willingness to continue diplomatic discussions even with your justifiable concerns. I will first address your question of why I have decided to contact you now. I've wanted to attempt negotiations with you a since a short period before the Romanian war, however I was not sure what your reaction would be, whether you would immediately go to your allies or hear me out as you have now. As such I was hesitant initially to open this channel. However the current diplomatic situation has left me with no other choice. It is either I attempt to reach you now, or your allies initiate war and my country is left in ruins.
As for your question about how I am different from other monarchies I have one answer: my empire will not survive. Once I am dead it will break into embattled factions. People who were once brothers would now be murdering each other in the streets. I know my Monarchy has no future, and as such I believe the best course of action upon my death is the switch to communism. It is the most likely way to keep my people from being at each others' throats, because they will be equal, not just amongst themselves, but amongst all of humanity.
As for why I did not begin as a communist, at first I sought the power. However, as the world has progressed, I see that said lust for power has kept humanity trapped in a cycle of war and deceit since our creation. Now I carry on the empire for two reasons:
1. I wish to return the land in which I was born back to the map. It is of course a simple act of folly, caused by my pride, but something I wish to see none the less.
2. The second reason, and the one more important to our conversation, is that I believe communism needs a push.
At the moment most of the world sees communists as radical revolutionaries. They may be willing to work with you when it benefits them, but they will never truly allow you to impact the world in a meaningful way which they can't immediately take from you. Considering you're the only communist power, they would be able to outnumber you if they feel threatened, and the revolution would be lost, the cycle continued. I feel that with my help, we could break the cycle. It may require one of the last acts of deceit and war, but that is a small price for the union of Humanity.
I also believe communism is currently facing a technological issue. No offense towards your country, but you have not developed nearly as much as the rest of the world since the end of the great war. This could lead to disaster for the cause. If a harvest were to be especially poor due to a lack of proper farming materials, it would be a huge blow to the reputation of communism, and result in the world at large writing it off as a fringe ideology. As such, I plan on researching technology that could help the cause. Things such improved irrigation and harvesting equipment. Because I currently deal not with the restrictions of communism, and because my country is well unified, I have the opportunity to advance these systems enough to ensure there is no failure of the new communist utopia.
I understand your mistrust of me. It is very reasonable. And unfortunately there is not much I can do to prove my honesty. All I can do is hope that the genuinity of my statements reaches you. If you have any concerns about what I have said, feel free to respond. I hope that at the end of all this, we can see eye to eye, and form a better world.
Sincerely,
Sir Kent, The last King of Austria-Hungary (one way or the other) Only for Warlord247First, thank you for understanding throughout this talks to now, I really appreciate this. But, I have to say that I have no evident and current reason to take action about a change of alliance. Of course, we cannot know what the future can bring, nor what lies ahead of us. So, I will not close the doors, and I will ask for you to do the same. Also, there is a more personal reason, whichbis that, I don't like changing alliances or betrayals unless there is really need for that (like the betrayal of somebody else, lack of quality in forces of the alliances, someone who will be ofline for sometime etc.), and adding this with all the stuff I have mentioned so far, it seems to me that I will unfortunately not be able to accept this, for now at least. You may wonder why I say "for now" As I've mentioned in the first paragraph as well, we cannot know what will happen tomorrow. A new player may join, an alliance may be broken, somebody else can betray etc. However, I will not be that one. Therefore, if the criteria I have stated since the beginning are met, then there would not be a block to your offer. So, I suggest you not to close the diplomatic channels despite the fact that we have not come to a conclusion so far, which I will not do either. But, for now, I cannot accept this. I hope you will understand, because although we have not come to an agreement now, I am sure that we have learnt each other at least a bit so far and trust each other, one way or another, and I am again sure that we will do whatever we do against each other with the highest of respect, be it an alliance or war. I sincerely hope that we will not have to do the second one, a war, but even if the history is to have us fighting with each other at some point in the future, I will again suggest to both you and myself not to close the doors or burn the bridges between each other. Because this may make everyone regret, while continuing to being open can benefit us all, who knows... If you would like to say something more, I am willing to listen and will continue, although for now, while I am writing this, the evident things are not enough for me to change my mind or take action, nor for you, nor against you. But this is for now, not forever, and you may still change these things if you keep good relations with me, so the choice and initiative is yours. Now, in other words, there is a red pill and a blue pill standing in front of you to choose (btw hope you've watched the Matrix series  , although this reference above wasn't that funny I guess lol). If you take the blue pill, this talks end between our countries, who knows what will happen afterwards. If you take the red pill, the diplomatic relations will continue and you will still have a new chance for your offer, but you should have more to make this possible. I will be eagerly waiting for your next reply, Sincerely, |
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 24, 2022 18:05:59 GMT
Eugene V. Debs only I thank you for your willingness to continue diplomatic discussions even with your justifiable concerns. I will first address your question of why I have decided to contact you now. I've wanted to attempt negotiations with you a since a short period before the Romanian war, however I was not sure what your reaction would be, whether you would immediately go to your allies or hear me out as you have now. As such I was hesitant initially to open this channel. However the current diplomatic situation has left me with no other choice. It is either I attempt to reach you now, or your allies initiate war and my country is left in ruins.
As for your question about how I am different from other monarchies I have one answer: my empire will not survive. Once I am dead it will break into embattled factions. People who were once brothers would now be murdering each other in the streets. I know my Monarchy has no future, and as such I believe the best course of action upon my death is the switch to communism. It is the most likely way to keep my people from being at each others' throats, because they will be equal, not just amongst themselves, but amongst all of humanity.
As for why I did not begin as a communist, at first I sought the power. However, as the world has progressed, I see that said lust for power has kept humanity trapped in a cycle of war and deceit since our creation. Now I carry on the empire for two reasons:
1. I wish to return the land in which I was born back to the map. It is of course a simple act of folly, caused by my pride, but something I wish to see none the less.
2. The second reason, and the one more important to our conversation, is that I believe communism needs a push.
At the moment most of the world sees communists as radical revolutionaries. They may be willing to work with you when it benefits them, but they will never truly allow you to impact the world in a meaningful way which they can't immediately take from you. Considering you're the only communist power, they would be able to outnumber you if they feel threatened, and the revolution would be lost, the cycle continued. I feel that with my help, we could break the cycle. It may require one of the last acts of deceit and war, but that is a small price for the union of Humanity.
I also believe communism is currently facing a technological issue. No offense towards your country, but you have not developed nearly as much as the rest of the world since the end of the great war. This could lead to disaster for the cause. If a harvest were to be especially poor due to a lack of proper farming materials, it would be a huge blow to the reputation of communism, and result in the world at large writing it off as a fringe ideology. As such, I plan on researching technology that could help the cause. Things such improved irrigation and harvesting equipment. Because I currently deal not with the restrictions of communism, and because my country is well unified, I have the opportunity to advance these systems enough to ensure there is no failure of the new communist utopia.
I understand your mistrust of me. It is very reasonable. And unfortunately there is not much I can do to prove my honesty. All I can do is hope that the genuinity of my statements reaches you. If you have any concerns about what I have said, feel free to respond. I hope that at the end of all this, we can see eye to eye, and form a better world.
Sincerely,
Sir Kent, The last King of Austria-Hungary (one way or the other) Only for Warlord247 First, thank you for understanding throughout this talks to now, I really appreciate this. But, I have to say that I have no evident and current reason to take action about a change of alliance. Of course, we cannot know what the future can bring, nor what lies ahead of us. So, I will not close the doors, and I will ask for you to do the same. Also, there is a more personal reason, whichbis that, I don't like changing alliances or betrayals unless there is really need for that (like the betrayal of somebody else, lack of quality in forces of the alliances, someone who will be ofline for sometime etc.), and adding this with all the stuff I have mentioned so far, it seems to me that I will unfortunately not be able to accept this, for now at least. You may wonder why I say "for now" As I've mentioned in the first paragraph as well, we cannot know what will happen tomorrow. A new player may join, an alliance may be broken, somebody else can betray etc. However, I will not be that one. Therefore, if the criteria I have stated since the beginning are met, then there would not be a block to your offer. So, I suggest you not to close the diplomatic channels despite the fact that we have not come to a conclusion so far, which I will not do either. But, for now, I cannot accept this. I hope you will understand, because although we have not come to an agreement now, I am sure that we have learnt each other at least a bit so far and trust each other, one way or another, and I am again sure that we will do whatever we do against each other with the highest of respect, be it an alliance or war. I sincerely hope that we will not have to do the second one, a war, but even if the history is to have us fighting with each other at some point in the future, I will again suggest to both you and myself not to close the doors or burn the bridges between each other. Because this may make everyone regret, while continuing to being open can benefit us all, who knows... If you would like to say something more, I am willing to listen and will continue, although for now, while I am writing this, the evident things are not enough for me to change my mind or take action, nor for you, nor against you. But this is for now, not forever, and you may still change these things if you keep good relations with me, so the choice and initiative is yours. Now, in other words, there is a red pill and a blue pill standing in front of you to choose (btw hope you've watched the Matrix series , although this reference above wasn't that funny I guess lol). If you take the blue pill, this talks end between our countries, who knows what will happen afterwards. If you take the red pill, the diplomatic relations will continue and you will still have a new chance for your offer, but you should have more to make this possible. I will be eagerly waiting for your next reply, Sincerely, only I completely understand your viewpoint. I'm glad we could reach the part in negation we have. I will gladly keep these channels open, in hopes of further peace.
I wish to inform you now, that I will be making a move on Northern Slovenia. I understand the allies reasoning of border concern for refusing me control of Czechoslovakia (though I disagree with it), but Slovenia offers no strategic advantage to them. I'm aware that Tito is a communist, but from what I've heard relations between not just your two countries, but the two of you personally, are sour. So I hope this invasion does not anger you.
May relations between our countries be ever strong, no matter the circumstance.
Sincerely,
Sir Kent, King of Austria-Hungary |
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 24, 2022 18:06:53 GMT
I begin the movement of Gerd Von Rundstedt's army group to the Yugoslavian border. Due to my rail way system this will take 3 posts.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 24, 2022 18:40:02 GMT
Only for Theron of AcragasFirst of all, you don't have to accept my offer, but this discussion has to be kept secret from everyone else. Also, I know your rl situation so don't stress about activity.
The Soviet Union is having a long discussion with Austria-Hungary which are looking to invade Czechoslovakia and seemingly Yugoslavia now too. You could join them, but you won't probably get much. If you accept a defensive alliance, you'll get Albania and modern Slovenia and Croatia. The old peace treaty will remain and you can't militarise our borders. Theron of Acragas |
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Nov 24, 2022 20:20:38 GMT
Only for Warlord247We have agreed that I wouldn't talk with an ally during our talks, so now, I'll ask for your permission to do this. Also, what will happen after that has a chance of benefitting you too, although I cannot explain how, at least for now. So, do you agree with this? |
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 24, 2022 20:25:42 GMT
Only for Warlord247 We have agreed that I wouldn't talk with an ally during our talks, so now, I'll ask for your permission to do this. Also, what will happen after that has a chance of benefitting you too, although I cannot explain how, at least for now. So, do you agree with this? only It is perfectly acceptable for you to reestablish communications with your allies. I had meant to include that in my last telegram, but it slipped my mind.
Sincerely,
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 24, 2022 20:42:33 GMT
All armies stationed in Budapest move to the Yugoslavian border as well. Due to how close they are, and the railroad they will reach the border in one post
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 24, 2022 20:46:59 GMT
I begin the movement of Gerd Von Rundstedt's army group to the Yugoslavian border. Due to my rail way system this will take 3 posts. Yugoslavia is a legitimate and independent country. France guarantees they will remain one. |
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Nov 24, 2022 20:47:57 GMT
Only for Kliment Jefremovitš VorošilovSo, you have sent a message to Italy, which I haven't been surprised, as I have been talking with Austria-Hungary too. I see a few possiblities about your reason. The obvious one is that you may doubt about me. But why? Remember, you had a talk with them in the past too. Then I asked you about thoe talks, trusting that you would tell me the truth, you explained the talks and the problem was solved. If I hadn't trusted that it was certain that you would tell the truth, I would have basically declared war. But I didn't. Because I trust you. But apparently, you may not trust us. Why didn't you choose the option of basically talking first? Why did you immediately go to the fascists? Are you really not against us, the socialists, as you claimed in our talks about Spain? Or are you planning a conspiracy against us? I don't believe these are true. You have gained my trust so far. But if you don't trust me, how can I continue to trust you? Shouldn't trust be in each of the sides in an alliance?
When you had your talks with Austria-Hungary, I chose talking with you to get its explanation. Because I trust you and your explanations. But now, why did you write to Italy? And what did you write? Do you think that my talks with Austria-Hungary are suspicious? What about your previous one with them, then? I trusted your explanations, but you didn't even ask me about this current events, but now, you did write to Italy, which is the suspicious action here. If my predictions are right, then I'll want you to reconsider. I may have talked about something else, I may have talked about that still, but perhaps just in order to gain information for our alliance? How can you know? Therefore, you may ask why I haven't already informed you about my talks with Austria-Hungary. Then, I'd say don't forget, the one who started these talks were them, not me. Therefore, they may have requested privacy or something like that about the talks, so I assume this is understandable. However, the one who started the talks with Italy is you, so you declare the rules, not them. Then why don't you tell your allies about that? Because you don't trust them? Because you are the one who will betray them? Or maybe because you are against us, the socialists?
Sorry if this telegram sounded mean, but I am sure that you will understand the urgency abd importance of the situation. The future of our alliance is in your hands. I hope that we will solve this "dramatic" problem as soon as possible and continue more powerful than before. Also, do not forget, you need me, the USSR, if you want to win. And I am not against you. This is your choice to stand united with us or fall, divided from us. I prefer the first one, standing united. What about you?
But if you are against us, the socialists, the left, the working class, or the comradeship of united humanity, the eternal and stateless peace of the humanity, whom we, the USSR, will be leading gloriously and victoriously to the victory of us all in a truly stateless world of comradeship, then you will lose me, and hence the victory. But if you join us, the socialists, the Comintern, then you will win with us, the whole of the humanity. It is now time to be clear and honest. So, please choose your side. |
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 24, 2022 21:04:17 GMT
I begin the movement of Gerd Von Rundstedt's army group to the Yugoslavian border. Due to my rail way system this will take 3 posts. Yugoslavia is a legitimate and independent country. France guarantees they will remain one. Northern Slovenia is the empires historical territory, and shall return to it. I understand the Allies insistence of Czechoslovakia's protection due to it's borderance to Allie states (though I disagree on the issue) however the matter of Yugoslavia is purely a Balkans issue, and should not be meddled with by outside parties. |
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 24, 2022 21:20:02 GMT
 Armies Emil and Friedrich are stationed on the Austrian part of the border. Gustav and Heinrich are stationed on the Hungarian part of the border. Armies Julius and Kaufmann are stationed on the Transylvanian part of the border. Panzer armies IV, V, and VI are stationed in the same order as the infantry. Artillery army 3 has 1,000 guns in Austria and 1,000 guns in Hungary. Army 4 has 1,000 guns in Hungary, and 1,000 guns in Transylvania. Air force consists of 400 fighters and 600 bombers. The Yugoslavian forces consist of 600,000 men, with 200,000 guarding each of the aforementioned regions. They have 241 guns, 179 fighters, and 200 bombers (these numbers are based of off their '41 numbers, therefore I don't think we should include factory production) |
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Nov 24, 2022 21:22:21 GMT
I have awoken
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 24, 2022 21:24:13 GMT
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Post by Warlord247 on Nov 24, 2022 21:24:33 GMT
How have you enjoyed your nap my good friend?
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, although this reference above wasn't that funny I guess lol). If you take the blue pill, this talks end between our countries, who knows what will happen afterwards. If you take the red pill, the diplomatic relations will continue and you will still have a new chance for your offer, but you should have more to make this possible.
