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Post by lafluth on Feb 23, 2023 9:47:23 GMT
Sorry if this has already been addressed in another post, but I am just wondering if using the same unit attack bonus gem combo on several items will activate it several times or just once. I.e. do they stack or not?
So for instance I put 2 gold equipments on belisarius and in each of them I put 1 green and 1 blue gem (combo for attack bonus if leading scottish spearman). In my case I am using lvl 3-4 gems so in theory each equipment provides +10%.
Do they stack to give me 20% (or 21%, I dont remember the exact formula) attack bonus or just 10% as it only applies once?
I am going to try and test if I can.
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Post by lafluth on Feb 23, 2023 10:39:38 GMT
So I am very much confused. Quick and dirty test of belisarius with scottish long spearmen, with two gold equipments and the results seem to suggest the 10% bonus never activates? Set-up 1: gold equipment A with lvl 4 green and lvl 3 blue (10% attack bonus), g.e. B with lvl 4 green and lvl 3 blue (10% bonus). Both bonuses are visible as indicated on the weapon description. Dmg done 455, 473, 459, 461, 456 Set-up 2: A same with 10% bonus, B only with lvl 3 blue (no bonus) Dmg done: 578 (not a typo!), 461, 459, 457, 459, 462 Set-up 3: A and B only lvl 3 blue (no bonus) Dmg done: 480, 455, 509 (!), 453, 451, 461 Anyone knows what is going on here? Are we being lied to?  |
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Post by lafluth on Feb 23, 2023 12:12:32 GMT
Did another series of tests.
Set-up 1: 538, 571, 568, 459, 453, 538
Set-up 2: 546, 459, 454, 465, 464
Set-up 3: 455, 457, 455, 459, 459
So I guess dmg variance is too great to start with to get to conclusive results in tests? Probably would need to use a gen with max dmg guaranteed to have more reliable results?
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Post by nikomachos on Feb 23, 2023 13:48:46 GMT
i didnt test it since the early game. especcially not the latest update. my understanding was that it gives the bonus only once..
you are correct maybe doing this with basil would be more informative
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Post by lafluth on Feb 23, 2023 14:02:55 GMT
I mean these are real damage data points. Really makes me question the validity, or usefulness, of unit damage combo gems……
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Post by nikomachos on Feb 23, 2023 14:04:38 GMT
i just did barely a few test nothing extensive but those seem to match that it does not give double the bonus. only once.
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Post by lafluth on Feb 23, 2023 14:05:38 GMT
Interesting. Question is then, does it even give the first bonus!?
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Post by nikomachos on Feb 23, 2023 14:20:47 GMT
Interesting. Question is then, does it even give the first bonus!? dude your making me mad! xD joking. i had to do more properly. the testing is weird. i forget at which point the bonus dmg gets added but call me crazy i think its only 5% dmg not 10, even with lvl 3 gems saying it should be 10 |
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Post by stoic on Feb 23, 2023 14:23:46 GMT
Interesting. Question is then, does it even give the first bonus!? dude your making me mad! xD joking. i had to do more properly. the testing is weird. i forget at which point the bonus dmg gets added but call me crazy i think its only 5% dmg not 10, even with lvl 3 gems saying it should be 10 True, I have the same suspicion... Or maybe the bonus works improperly and doesn't have a legion effect. |
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Post by nikomachos on Feb 23, 2023 14:34:48 GMT
now basil isnt perfect either and there is still some variation but i think that the way dmg is multiplied we get only 3% from lvl-1 bonus (should be 5) and 5% at lvl-2 bonus (should be 10)
or any other reason there might be...
oh, ignorance is bliss
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Post by lafluth on Feb 23, 2023 17:46:51 GMT
Daylight robbery that is
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Post by lafluth on Feb 23, 2023 21:24:27 GMT
Re-reading all this, maybe you are on to something stoic, could it be the bonus is only applied to the unit itself and not the whole legion? Would make sense, but then it kinda changes my approach to gem combos pretty drastically. I thought somebody had tested that it was indeed applied to the whole legion. Could it be ET changed it in the last patches? In any case this is very disturbing and underwhelming right now |
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Post by best75 on Feb 23, 2023 23:12:44 GMT
I feel like the more I look at this the more I get confused. Then there's the while question of if the bonus stacks with unit bonus from unique weapons. Easytech words this so ambiguous.
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Post by jonblend on Feb 27, 2023 19:27:20 GMT
Well we are talking about adding 10% to the weakest mercenary unit, so don't expect too much from them It has been my understanding that each unit bonus dmg skill originating from gems a is only applied once. But we never know if something has changed in the meantime. So, where did you test it and with and against which units (the ones besides scotts and what were their levels)? Did their detour trigger and if yes, when and was the 1st and 3rd enemy unit the same? |
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Post by jonblend on Feb 27, 2023 22:52:14 GMT
Basil at Belisarius hero legend hard 6-1 against 1x c cav & 2x m cav legion with scott / woad at lv20
equipment; green gems are added later to form scott 10% gem combo (=sgc) damage output total and on first+second+third enemy unit
single scott, no sgc: 342 single woad, no sgc: 299 =146+99+54
single scott, 1x sgc: 376 single scott, 2x sgc: 376
scott & woad, no sgc: 641 =488+99+54
scott & woad, 1x sgc: 706 =537+109+60
scott & woad, 2x sgc: 706 =537+109+60
--> Every unit gets the bonus dmg and scott 10% gem combo is applied only once.
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