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Post by π΅πππ ππ π¬ππ on May 18, 2023 0:37:01 GMT
I personally think archers can never be the GOAT. As was stated previously, nobody should have that title. However, I think charge cavalry (w/ the right units and generals) is far more superior in their ability to attack and take. Archers tend to take a few more attacks before opening a city. I personally haven't tested this with Mehmed. This is referring to the current campaigns as past campaigns have become entirely irrelevant due to the troop levels at this late stage. I still agree Mehmed is a good general, but people are trying so hard to promote and dismiss him that I really don't think anything of him anymore. There are constructive, but also pointless arguments on both sides.
I still think this community is descending into civil war with how people are just going at it with each other. Why do people need to create a discussion to ask if they should make a meme about Mehmed-users or about how great Mehmed is.
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Post by yuanzhong on May 18, 2023 3:09:16 GMT
I can do that trial in 9 turns in 1st time try with Mehmed, no war gear (but have morale buff from Joan, haven't checked w/o it), the only thing prevent him finished earlier is lack of mobility (12 mobi pts for my set up) Less mobility, no regen but only 1 turn later than the best city conqueror in EW7. Mehmed debuff also works on counter attack. I see many ppl underrate IAP generals because they're IAPs or too costly. It's unfair, the strength of a general is unchanged, the problem of price, worth or not worth is a different story. Or we should separate them when making analysis thread about generals. This happened in many later games of ET until now. An example is Zeus in GoG2. About the strength, it's the best IAPs among all ET games but the efficency of getting it is just average - low because of ridiculous price.
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Post by verily on May 18, 2023 3:37:02 GMT
mehmed, buff all you can until jan ziska debuffs them all.
like when arthur's conscription is active and then you use the winner(active killer) skill. that skill is gone.
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Post by π΅πππ ππ π¬ππ on May 18, 2023 3:55:04 GMT
I see the point of an analysis is to inform people enough about the general in order to see whether or not they should get the general. You can go on and on about how good Mehmed is, but in truth, he's really not worth the $100. Not only that, but you also need to get Proof of Honor in order to get Mehmed's item, which is just an additional factor. Is your goal here to praise him as much as possible (in order to make yourself feel like you made a good financial decision), or is to tell people if it'd be a good idea to spend that much. I mean you can spend that money elsewhere to buy the other much more cheaper IAPs, and be able to do the same things as Mehmed, if not better because you can get more than one. Granted, you also get a few other generals as well, most notably Charles VII. As for Robin and William, they've been overlooked so much. Maybe it's due to their lack of ability to meet the other generals. Charles is decent I suppose. In hindsight he'd be a good general, but he has hardly any troop buffs beside additional mobility and utilizing administration points for archer units. It's administration where he really shines, but Justinian and Theodora are about as good as he is alone.
Not only that, but we kind of already know Mehmed is good. We've overhyped Charles in offensive capability. I recall somebody trying to prove his greatness in the tournament levels, which obviously has several problems like the building buffs and the person's choice of heraldry. What if we're just doing that again? I don't see anybody comparing Mehmed to any other archer general. If you use him alone, of course that's going to make it look like he's great, but who says I can't do the same with Timur or some other general. It's already been demonstrated that this test was invalid because Charlemagne can do it so much faster than Mehmed. What good does it do if you never hear about the cons of the general? He's not God; he has his weaknesses. Making out every new IAP general to be great has little value. Let potential buyers know what they're in for, and your honest opinion on whether it's worth it.
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Post by verily on May 18, 2023 4:46:48 GMT
mehmed is not OP, and i will not try to change your mind.
if you want to have him. its fine. he is good but not that he can finish a campaign, hero legend but limited like the video.
if you think its worth the price go and buy him.(you can have all the iap gens with that price)
its still in you to utilize him. the mark skill is good if you kill the enemy. what if you dont? wait the cool down.
conqueror skill is like a rolling the pool. it depends on rng.
like i say on the mehmed discussion 1 star because of availability 3 star because good gen but skill with requirements. not 4 because only the active skill is good not the other ones.
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Post by andrei on May 18, 2023 5:11:44 GMT
I personally think archers can never be the GOAT. As was stated previously, nobody should have that title. However, I think charge cavalry (w/ the right units and generals) is far more superior in their ability to attack and take. Archers tend to take a few more attacks before opening a city. I personally haven't tested this with Mehmed. This is referring to the current campaigns as past campaigns have become entirely irrelevant due to the troop levels at this late stage. I still agree Mehmed is a good general, but people are trying so hard to promote and dismiss him that I really don't think anything of him anymore. There are constructive, but also pointless arguments on both sides. I still think this community is descending into civil war with how people are just going at it with each other. Why do people need to create a discussion to ask if they should make a meme about Mehmed-users or about how great Mehmed is. Only archers are effective against any unit type, only archer units attack the whole legion every turn, not just front unit (it's like free Outburst, not exactly but..) and finally only some archer units has Mobilize and Repeated fire skills. Best units' skills in the game by far. Charge cavalry is glass cannon. Every unit type has pros and cons, archers have more pros if compare. Main problem of charge cavalry is that in most cases charge cav gens have to use 3 charge cag units to fully release its offensive potential. And while still being ineffective against mixed legions with counter infantry in front (especially if we speak about mercenary counterinfantry like Swiss or lombardy), they have mobility problems in addition. Forests and mountains are painful to move through.
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Post by andrei on May 18, 2023 5:13:00 GMT
mehmed, buff all you can until jan ziska debuffs them all. like when arthur's conscription is active and then you use the winner(active killer) skill. that skill is gone. You are using this reason quite often in different threads. Where exactly are You fighting against all these Ziskas? Never faced this general
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Post by π΅πππ ππ π¬ππ on May 18, 2023 6:02:35 GMT
EasyTech has a thing with throwing OP gens as us in campaign. I remember very well the absolute pain that was the last battle in Hundred Years' War I. My charge cavalry is really the only effective way to dispatch them. I'm not really worried about the regular troops because they're easy to dispatch. I've equipped my generals with the best armor in the game, so they're not really glass cannons anymore. With the templars and the additional mobility from the jet black cav, I can wipe them out one by one without worry. It doesn't matter if the enemy has counter infantry except if it's treasure quest (which I've already completed) or tournament, which I already toss in all my archers by default for an easy victory, even without the help of Mehmed. I only really need to worry about campaign, but I've already got that covered thanks to charge cav.
To be honest, I wasn't at all concerned about doing the most recent campaign. I just got tired from repeating the same process so many times.
One last thing; I think archers are a glass cannon tbh.
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Post by stoic on May 18, 2023 6:54:45 GMT
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Post by π΅πππ ππ π¬ππ on May 18, 2023 7:02:38 GMT
Perhaps I've upgraded my charge cav units more than my archers. Not everyone has the same unit setup, so again, there can't be a universal GOAT general.
Try it again but using Battle of Plocnik, holding the frontline city. Then try Enemies On All Sides and hold Sofia. For both, hold on to the city for as long as you see fit.
Using current campaign now, we need to know what we're dealing with now, not in the past. I'm not gonna be progressing through the game by repeating Agincourt.
Just a few more things, one general to hold, that general cannot attack, only counterattack, and I guess you can use any war gear. You have quite an interesting setup for your generals.
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Post by stoic on May 18, 2023 7:07:12 GMT
Perhaps I've upgraded my charge cav units more than my archers. Not everyone has the same unit setup, so again, there can't be a universal GOAT general. Try it again but using Battle of Plocnik, holding the frontline city. Then try Enemies On All Sides and hold Sofia. For both, hold on to the city for as long as you see fit. Using current campaign now, we need to know what we're dealing with now, not in the past. I'm not gonna be progressing through the game by repeating Agincourt. Do you really think that holding Sofia with cavalry is easier than with archers πΉ ?
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Post by π΅πππ ππ π¬ππ on May 18, 2023 7:11:35 GMT
You have a point. But archers are known for their counterattack. Cavalry is on the offensive. We can see it however. That's just my take.
But yeah, I guess my method isn't exactly perfect either.
I'm willing to concede archers are better for defense and general counterattack. But they can't wipe out generals fast enough to avoid their attack. Referring to the elite units. My way of fighting may differ from yours, so we prefer different things. I'm entirely brute force, not sure about you. I'm wrong in saying that archers are glass cannons for everyone, but they are for me.
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Post by andrei on May 18, 2023 7:16:57 GMT
You have a point. But archers are known for their counterattack. Cavalry is on the offensive. We can see it however. That's just my take. But yeah, I guess my method isn't exactly perfect either. I'm willing to concede archers are better for defense and general counterattack. But they can't wipe out generals fast enough to avoid their attack. Referring to the elite units. Archer setup with Mobilize and repeated fire can have more attacks per turn, so there are absolutely no problems to wipe out everything around to avoid being attacked.
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Post by π΅πππ ππ π¬ππ on May 18, 2023 7:21:18 GMT
My Timur has imperial bow cav, mamluk cav, and mongol raiders. All have at least tier 3 weapons. That still doesn't cut it for me.
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Post by π΅πππ ππ π¬ππ on May 18, 2023 7:24:25 GMT
I personally prefer having my Richard wipe out three units per round. If not three, then two and a half. If he can't do that, then my Timur definitely can't do that.
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